Full stop in hyperspeed

Exil · Feb 14, 2015

Before I start, I want to say that this is mostly for me getting it off my chest but also to understand the full stop button ("x") cause it seems like I'm missing something.

For 2 weeks I've been out in deep space, exploring. Was around 20.000LY away from Sol and today I was on my return trip. After travelling for about 4.000 LY I get a call right when I'm in the middle of jumping.

As soon as I jump in to the new system, I hit the full stop button ("x") and leave. A few minutes later when I return I'm greeted with my ship plastered against the sun, at 40% hull with breached canopy, nearest starport being at 16.000LY away. Of course I die, of course I loose 2 weeks worth of data and despite being extremely angry with this I still don't understand why the ship didn't stop when I had told it to go into full stop.

I'm more than 100% sure that I hadn't pressed any other button, so what the hell happened?

Edit: Yes I know that there is no "full stop" (aka 0km/h) in HS, but the Sun was far away enough that my Fuel scooping was only at around 50/s and heat at 85% or so. Even at 30km/h it would have taken at least 1 hour to reach 100% heat by getting closer to the sun.

thehairymob · Feb 14, 2015

In SC you never stop completely, you are still traveling at 30km/s which mean your moving. When I leave my computer I have learn to exit game to main menu.

AnnuverScotinExile · Feb 14, 2015

There is no stop is supercruise - you go at 30 Km/Sec minimum. Too late, I know, but you need to escape and save, or drop out of SC, where you can stop.

Sayne · Feb 14, 2015

The slowest you can go in Supercruise is 30km/s. If the star was close when you jumped in, or it was a White Dwarf of Neutron star or something else tiny and dangerous...You probably drifted into it at 30km/s and were dropped out of SC.

Do you have a HOTAS? Because inputs on the actual throttle override keybinds. So,if you hit the zero throttle key and then nudged the analog throttle only a little (or, say, your cat did -- has happened to me) your speed will jump back to wherever your throttle is... and you'll crash into the star.

Exil · Feb 14, 2015

thehairymob said:
In SC you never stop completely, you are still traveling at 30km/s which mean your moving. When I leave my computer I have learn to exit game to main menu.

Yes I know that, but the Sun was far away enough that my Fuel scooping was only at around 50/s and heat at 85% or so. Even at 30km/h it would have taken at least 1 hour to reach 100% heat by getting closer to the sun.

Sayne said:
Do you have a HOTAS? Because inputs on the actual throttle override keybinds. So,if you hit the zero throttle key and then nudged the analog throttle only a little (or, say, your cat did -- has happened to me) your speed will jump back to wherever your throttle is... and you'll crash into the star.

No HOTAS, just the K+M setting.

vjek · Feb 14, 2015

Exil said:
... I'm more than 100% sure that I hadn't pressed any other button, so what the hell happened?

It's been my experience that keys pressed in hyperspace aren't always recognized.
As a result, I press my full stop / zero throttle key during the 5,4,3,2,1 pre-hyperspace countdown, (and I press it twice to be sure).
Using that, 100% of the time, I've emerged at zero throttle at my destination.

If I forget, I try to change the throttle during hyperspace, and it often does nothing; I emerge at the destination at the throttle level I set when I entered hyperspace.
EDIT:
Often, for me, during the first few seconds after emerging from hyperspace, no input is accepted. That's why I set the throttle when I depart, rather than when I arrive, now.

bobalonius · Feb 14, 2015

You can't come to a complete stop in supercruise, minimum speed is 30 km/s. You have to drop out to normal space to come to a complete stop.

Nutter · Feb 14, 2015

Well I never leave my ship pointing at anything, if I intend to leave it, such as a phone call, I jump out of cruise, that way, I'm not going anywhere.

Sorry for your loss

xondk · Feb 14, 2015

Exil said:
Before I start, I want to say that this is mostly for me getting it off my chest but also to understand the full stop button ("x") cause it seems like I'm missing something.

For 2 weeks I've been out in deep space, exploring. Was around 20.000LY away from Sol and today I was on my return trip. After travelling for about 4.000 LY I get a call right when I'm in the middle of jumping.

As soon as I jump in to the new system, I hit the full stop button ("x") and leave. A few minutes later when I return I'm greeted with my ship plastered against the sun, at 40% hull with breached canopy, nearest starport being at 16.000LY away. Of course I die, of course I loose 2 weeks worth of data and despite being extremely angry with this I still don't understand why the ship didn't stop when I had told it to go into full stop.

I'm more than 100% sure that I hadn't pressed any other button, so what the hell happened?

Edit: Yes I know that, but the Sun was far away enough that my Fuel scooping was only at around 50/s and heat at 85% or so. Even at 30km/h it would have taken at least 1 hour to reach 100% heat by getting closer to the sun.

While that definitely sucks, I think you forgot that for an emergency you can just doubleclick the supercruise button to do an emergency dropout of sc that will set you to full stop, sure you might take some hull damage, this way but if you are in a real rush to get the phone, you can do it.
However you can also, hit x and then leave supercruiser when at safe speeds, below 1000km/s, this might take a few more seconds, but with it being two buttons, it is possible to do even on phone (assuming cell phone allowing you to walk back to computer to drop out of sc)

Exil · Feb 14, 2015

xondk said:
While that definitely sucks, I think you forgot that for an emergency you can just doubleclick the supercruise button to do an emergency dropout of sc that will set you to full stop, sure you might take some hull damage, this way but if you are in a real rush to get the phone, you can do it.
However you can also, hit x and then leave supercruiser when at safe speeds, below 1000km/s, this might take a few more seconds, but with it being two buttons, it is possible to do even on phone (assuming cell phone allowing you to walk back to computer to drop out of sc)

Sadly I was already out of HS, when you get too close to any object you are forcefully pushed out of HS.

xondk · Feb 14, 2015

Exil said:
Sadly I was already out of HS, when you get too close to any object you are forcefully pushed out of HS.

Yeah, but if you had hit the supercruise key twice instead of x, you'd have forced yourself out of SuperCruise and to a full stand still, granted with hull damage, but yeah, less so then slowly burning up.

Rhonda · Feb 14, 2015

AnnuverScotinExile said:
There is no stop is supercruise - you go at 30 Km/Sec minimum. Too late, I know, but you need to escape and save, or drop out of SC, where you can stop.

If your ship is moving with throttle down 30km/s it should be a safe disengage. So he shouldn't not have received any hull damage or a breached canopy. Or am I missing something?

Jorlin · Feb 14, 2015

Rhonda said:
If your ship is moving with throttle down 30km/s it should be a safe disengage. So he shouldn't not have received any hull damage or a breached canopy. Or am I missing something?

at this speed the ship will get cooked before it actually gets kicked out of SC

Rhonda · Feb 14, 2015

Jorlin said:
at this speed the ship will get cooked before it actually gets kicked out of SC

True that, thanks.

thewzdoc · Feb 14, 2015

Slow roasted ship...good thing you can't smell in space....

Surly_Badger · Feb 14, 2015

When the phone rings, hit the mute button so the game is quiet while you say "hi" to mum and log out.

Goilveig · Feb 14, 2015

Exil said:
Edit: Yes I know that there is no "full stop" (aka 0km/h) in HS, but the Sun was far away enough that my Fuel scooping was only at around 50/s and heat at 85% or so. Even at 30km/h it would have taken at least 1 hour to reach 100% heat by getting closer to the sun.

It's not 30 km/h, it's 30 km/sec. About 100,000 km/hr or 0.4 ls/hr.

If you're close enough to scoop at all, that will add up. The safe band where you can scoop is not as thick as you think it is. I just actually timed it - for my most heat-efficient ship, going from 85% heat to 100% heat at a K-type star would take about 15 minutes. If your ship is less heat efficient, it will take shorter. Note that I wasn't actually fuel scooping either - that adds a lot of heat.