The Physics of Spaceship - "Shields"

I'm wondering if there's any decent theorizing on how a real space-ship "shield" would work.

There this: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2008/nov/06/magnetic-shield-could-protect-spacecraft

which is not really what I was looking for.

There's this too, which is a variant of the above story: http://www.universetoday.com/20671/

Thinking about it, there must be some sort of science that could make such a thing as you see in sci-fi, I wonder if there's any information about it out in the vast information sea that is the internet, and whether any of the stuff out there is credible or not.

Just curious, that's all.
 
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I had read somewhere (I can not remember the magazine) that there is no better than excrement for protecting of cosmic rays. They said that for large space travel, they could papering inner walls of spaceships with plastic bags filled with the excrement of astronauts
 
erm...... it's a game..... don't worry too much about the details, just concentrate on the fun.

remember fun?
 
An idea that is often recited is "gravity fields". The problem, naturally, is that Frontier has already said that there's no such thing as gravity manipulation in Elite4...
 
There are some around here who wouldn't mind that. ;)


Perhaps Elite Dangerous Mk II The Elite can be a simulator - or have a toggle on/off mode for it.

Or perhaps like other Online games - there can be varying levels - where you only play against like opponents.

There can be the Gamers Level and the NASA Level.
:D
 
There are some around here who wouldn't mind that. ;)

That includes me. I think what people have got to understand is that the Elite series of games has always tried to achieve things using feasible solutions based on real physics. That's what makes it different from all the other space games out there. It is up to FD and us lot to some extent to try and come up with a solution to justify a certain type of effect/function in the game. This is what I love about these forums. People coming up with ideas to solve problems.

So far.....

Gravity in space has been solved.
Laser beams in a vacuum has been solved.

However, shields is a tough one. I've spent a bit of time on this one and have been unable to figure it out (yet). But someone will come up with a idea that will may be trigger something in someone else's mind which will lead to a possible solution.

I do, however, appreciate the possibility that some things will not be solved and we will just have to pretend that the technology exists.

So the game may not be a 100% space simulator, but it won't be far off it.
 
Shields, hu? There are so many concepts in scifie: Super dense, energized armor plates, magnetic deflection shields, energy absorbing/dissipating shields, etc.

I'm not quite sure what we will get in Elite, but I'm sure it will be more or less believable... in the end it's only important how they react to certain forms of damage, and not really how they work.
 
An idea that is often recited is "gravity fields". The problem, naturally, is that Frontier has already said that there's no such thing as gravity manipulation in Elite4...

Gravity fields is the only way a 'force/energy' (ie. not physical) type shield could work (as in stopping/reflecting/dispersing beam weapons) based on physics as currently understood. But Susimetsa is correct, if you could do that, anti-gravity would be easy!

Electromagnetic shields would be useless against lasers, but would potentially work against plasma weapons, if plasma weapons emit a stream of charged particles.

Cheers,

Drew.
 
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You wouldn't need to shield to be electromagnetic, but you could use a magnetic field to create a foundation for further particles to form along. Your EM bit would basically form the shape of the shield not the actual shield. Some kind of other stuff that would react or 'stick' to the EM bubble / web / lattice would then form a barrier.

If shields work in a similar way to FFE, they take a short while to reach full strength. This is the time it takes for the EM bubble to form and other stuff to 'coat' it. As a shield is battered by weapons etc, the other stuff is being drained, till eventually the only thing left is the EM bubble until either the shields recharge or the shield emitter is destroyed.


That's my handwavium thoughts.. :D
 
I had read somewhere (I can not remember the magazine) that there is no better than excrement for protecting of cosmic rays. They said that for large space travel, they could papering inner walls of spaceships with plastic bags filled with the excrement of astronauts

"More laxative! The imperial is coming for another run!"

I'll go with EM bubble...
 
Some basic thoughts on the fizzix of shields..

You'd need different techs for the various things you'd want to shield against.

For heat shields, ablatives are good. These are generally fairly low-density materials designed such that they insulate, while sacrificing their outer layers which are blasted and/or vapourised away, removing the excess heat with the shed matter. The best of these by far has to be a special type of plastic dubbed Starlite, created by an Englishman named Maurice Ward. The truly incredible properties of this material has been attributed (by Jane's International Defence review) to a 'reactive armour' plasma type effect; being entirely passive, the efficacy of the shield seems to depend only on the amount of energy thrown at it - the more you heat it, the more heat-resistant it gets.

This brings us to another good type of shield, then, plasma - however it's generated. Besides dealing with heat, a plasma could also ionise particulate matter. One popularly-cited form of shielding for high speed space flight is based on a large plasma bubble, contained by magnetic fields emanating from the ship, and extending some distance in front of it - perhaps some kilometers. This could effectively turn problematic high-velocity dust grains into relatively harmless puffs of smoke, before they strike the ship's hull, not unlike an icebreaker clearing its own path through the pack ice.

Beyond these types of environmental protection, a magnetically-contained plasma can also shield against some types of weapons fire - specifically, small projectiles (as described above, if exaggerated slightly), as well as plasma bolts, and also laser fire - this by modulating the plasma's pulse rate to offset the phase of the incoming beam, effectively cancelling its energy.

So, bashically, plasmas, and their control systems, are a handy catch-all technology that could defend against a broad variety of insults...


As others have mentioned though, sub-atomic KE, AKA radioactivity, is harder to protect against... what you really need is high density material, to increase the chances of high-velocity ions hitting a shield particle before they hit you or your hardware. Lead is obviously the de facto no. 1 choice, being very dense and stable. Water has been mooted as a more practical alternative, making up for its lower density with its greater utility in regards to life support systems and so forth. However this is one type of hazard that plasmas would seem fairly useless for, owing to their low density.

So in short, plasmas are a good general purpose shield, and ditto materials that form plasmas when assaulted. But radiation protection really needs a high-density barrier, to filter out the sub-atomic buzzbombs that'd breeze through thinner materials.

Lastly, it has to be admitted that relativistic speeds (and remember 26c and higher is already confirmed for cruise mode) will basically turn the ambient background radiation into super-killer alpha particles from hell. The net radiation from all stars in the sky will be shifted up into a maelstrom of cosmic rays, it'd be like bathing in a constant beam of gamma ray bursts.. You'd be fried in seconds. The half-lives of any unstable environmental elements will shrink in relation to you and your ship, and anything even slightly radioactive will seem hotter than plutonium. I'm not aware of any ideas to tackle this last hazard, and mile-thick lead hulls probably aren't very practical.. probably best to just not think about it?
 
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Perhaps shields are one of those sci-fi technologies that turned out to be impossible like teleporting.

But who knows, maybe some clever quantum particle tech might be developed that could overcome both problems.
 
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