Why are traders playing Open Play?
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Pardon for sorta derailing the thread, but the Alt-F4 thing is just a tendril of the "client-side sim + P2P" vs "server-side sim" topic. The former is wide open to manipulation, with Logoffsky just being the simplest one. The latter was too expensive for FD.
Lengthy threads about that here & here, just to get started.
Lengthy threads about that here & here, just to get started.
yes look at all those p2p connections https://www.gametracker.com/search/dayzmod/ oh wait.. they are all servers.
oh and arma 2 http://arma2.swec.se/server/list servers.
there isn't a single thing thats p2p that handles this issue in a smart or clever manner, it either screws the people who drop, or it allows people to cheat those are the two options until some serious work is done.
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Well, yeah, but then we're not talking p2p anymore and the second sentence of my remark kicks in: needing FDEV servers tracking all players all the time.
Can you link me to any documentation? All I came across tells me it based on a client - server architecture.
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Thx for that
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I can't argue with that, judging by their support behavior I have no hope at all they will put resources into it. I will however argue it makes sense from a cost benefit standpoint, it can dramitically effect the reputation of a game, and after seeing their sales projections which are a bit delusional as is, add a bad rep and they may be looking at some trouble. Not doomsaying or anything but there is a cost do to poor support.
I did not say it was cheating. I said that to me it feels like cheating. Very different thing. Feel free to feel differently.
And, of course, solo is NOT a different game. Far from it. It is exactly the same game, same galaxy same effects. That's why people flip into solo mode to get past a blockade, or when a pad is full on the spaceport, and then switch back to solo afterwards. Again, strictly speaking not cheating since the game absolutely allows it. But it sure as hell feels like it, and I will not do it.
The above is a great post! And it brought to mind a possible solution to the problem of the PvP types who are just maddog killers not after cargo, not killing for the bounty and not playing pirate - i.e. your cargo or your life.
I suggest a sticky thread be started and if a player acts like a maddog he be declared as one in the thread and it becomes open season on him/her wherever he may be. If he's spotted a message to all goes out (can that be done?) and eveyone converges on his position in the system and off's him/her.
That happens enough times and the maddogs will go away (or get very very good at their chosen profession - or - very very good at maintaining a low profile).
FD wants a community impacted game - this would impact it...
ASSUMING that this could be implemented.
Sorry for the stupid question here, but when you say "bail", what do you mean? Is there a way to manually eject from your stricken ship, or do you mean they frameshift out of there (eg "bail via FS")?
Can you link me to any documentation? All I came across tells me it based on a client - server architecture.
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Thx for that
I think that's why they rewrote the code (cheating) but I don't remember it ever being p2p. Arma 2 was always traditional client server not sure about the first but I seriously doubt it was different. It's probably possible to make a mod that does use p2p with arma but I can't think of one.
Jesus Christ they were indeed using servers. My mistake, you're right.
Anyway the main point is still valid , they re-wrote the engine for SA so the servers can handle almost everything to prevent Alt+F4 and hacks because everything was handled by the client in the past which is the same more or less as ED currently.
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Flipping between modes to avoid open when it suits you does feel a bit like cheating, playing solo all the time because that's the game you want? Not so much.
Go on reddit and start one. Don't be shocked if the "maddogs" enjoy the challenge though. Hell you might make your issue worse lol. PvP isn't my thing, but I sure do like a challenge so people like me may gravitate towards some interesting content.
Umm. No.Jesus Christ they were indeed using servers. My mistake, you're right.
Anyway the main point is still valid , they re-wrote the engine for SA so the servers can handle almost everything to prevent Alt+F4 and hacks because everything was handled by the client in the past which is the same more or less as ED currently.
It's not the same more or less, its nothing like it at all.
The problem is the same.
The solution isn't.
I guess, but this doesnt change the fact that they should do something about it.
They are.
Your comparison is like saying 'hey, I have to go to a place that's 50 miles away, and get there within two hours. I should use a car!'
Only in this case, it's 50 miles of solid rock you have to tunnel through. You don't just hop in a car.
Your comparison is like saying 'hey, I have to go to a place that's 50 miles away, and get there within two hours. I should use a car!'
Only in this case, it's 50 miles of solid rock you have to tunnel through. You don't just hop in a car.
Your image could also quote the following and have no change in relation to the game:
"Chooses to play in a mode that involves PvP.
Uses hacks at the first sign of trouble"
You could also just strikethrough the last 6 words of that final sentence and nothing would change.
P2P hacks exist in this game. Apart from the fact that it completely nullifies the race to triple elite, it also forces real players to go group or solo if they want an unbiased game play experience.
P2P multiplayer is very exploitable. I'll stick to group play to negate my risk. Thanks.