With all the negative respons...

[clivewil]

I'm gonna stick with it I have faith in ED I think in time it will be even better than it is now.

+1 to that, ED grabbed me when it first arrived and i've seen some good improvements since then added in updates. and each time i thought i'd seen it all, some new discovery made me change the way i approached the game (today's project: build a Viper Assassin)

ED still has some holes, of that there's no doubt. but for me, what there is of it has been quite compelling and i haven't looked at much else since. the core of the old Elite/Frontier gameplay is mostly still there, and that kept me busy for years back then.

 

[Spacey25]

Great, a thread to complain about complainers however I have to agree for most part. I keep saying this and I will repeat it again. People need to give the game some time to evolve. We need to keep making suggestions and i know FD is listening. I doubt they want the game to go down the hill. It just needs time, things need time create and incorporate.

 

[QziQza]

I could say at the other end of the spectrum you have the forum dwellers that would be happy if FD served them a glass of urine and called it beer.

I don't think that's the truth of it, but it reinforces one's opinion much more effectively if you can find a way to disregard anyone that doesn't share yours, doesn't it.

Agreed, but that wasnt the OP's question was it? lol. Also, i dont quite understand how anything in my comment can be seen as me attempting to disregard anyone elses opinion, or reinforce mine.

 

[DrDeathO5]

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Adventure seeker on an empty street
Just an alley creeper, light on his feet
A young fighter screaming, with no time for doubt
With the pain and anger can't see a way out
It ain't much I'm asking, I heard him say
Gotta find me a future move out of my way
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now

Listen all you people, come gather round
I gotta get me a game plan, gotta shake you to the ground
But just give me, huh, what I know is mine
People do you hear me, just gimme the sign
It ain't much I'm asking, if you want the truth
Here's to the future for the dreams of youth

I want it all (give it all - I want it all)
I want it all (yeah)
I want it all and I want it now

I want it all (yes I want it all)
I want it all hey
I want it all and I want it now

I'm a man with a one track mind
So much to do in one lifetime (people do you hear me)
Not a man for compromise and where's and why's and living lies
So I'm living it all, yes I'm living it all
And I'm giving it all, and I'm giving it all
Oooh oh yeah yeah - ha ha ha ha ha
Yeah yeah yeah yeaaah
I want it all

It ain't much I'm asking, if you want the truth
Here's to the future
Hear the cry of youth
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all and I want it now

 

[Lovecraft]

Agreed, but that wasnt the OP's question was it? Also, i dont quite understand how anything in my comment can be seen as me attempting to disregard anyone elses opinion, or reinforce mine.

i think some folks just arnt happy, unless they have something to whine about. while many of us play games to suspend reality for a while, some whine about the games they play, to suspend reality for a while, and as a focus for thier general discontent at life.

Reducing people's complaints down to something they do because "just aren't happy unless they have something to whine about", and as a way to alleviate the discontent in their life? How can you not think this is a dismissive attitude? You have just swept aside critique as something people do that has no relation to the game itself.

As for the OP's question: "What do the whiner's want?". All it takes is removing himself from the position that critique = whining, and actually understanding what is being said in a thread discussing weakness in game design. Sure, there are some ill thought out and combative threads, but even those can have nuggets of truth, and the majority are quite clear in what they're discussing. Reading what is being said and considering their point of view, not taking any of it personally, and not making the way the message is delivered the focus of your thoughts, will help the OP to answer his own question just by re-reading the very threads he's complaining about.

If that's too much to take in, and he can't get around the idea that criticism isn't always a negative thing (it's actually what allows things to improve), he doesn't have to read them. Let alone make a thread to label a segment of the players whose position he doesn't understand.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Community goals were never added by request of community. It is thing planned since Kickstarter. Whiners...grown up kids. What else can I say. I respect lot of constructive feedback and criticism though, those are worth gold. But they are drown out and those people are leaving forums.

 

[Nallen3]

Hey all OP here! First off im sorry it looks like a whining thread, that was not my intention. Im very New to this forum and i just got so overewhelmed about all the posts while i myself enjoy the game.

I just want to understand all the empty hate against this game. Like someone said: People are being Rude.

Ps: to all you guys complaining about me whining on whiners, you realise you just whined on a "guy who whined" on other People that whine. It's like inception, but with whining. Diffrent layers on whining.

 

[Zieman]

As for the OP's question: "What do the whiner's want?". All it takes is removing himself from the position that critique = whining, and actually understanding what is being said in a thread discussing weakness in game design.

Please point me to a thread where people discuss the weaknesses in E: D game design. Most are just angry rants, flamebait fests and incessant whining & whinging. Usually with very agressive and rude language.

 

[jadefriendly]

I'd say a major factor in the whining is that so much was promised in the development, but not delivered - and since it was a kickstarter and the development was open for backer participation, people feel like they have more of a say in what is / isn't in the game.

If the game just came out, with closed development, it would be a very different story.

There's also a sense of broken trust with many, over the online / offline issue.

add that to the fact that there is genuinely a cult following for this title, but also it's been 20 years and many have seen just what can actually be done with games content-wise since then, and can see while this game delivers massively on some fronts, it is seriously lacking in others.

 

[Joe Spivey]

Meanwhile, out of the rarefied atmosphere of the forums, the vast majority of players are happily playing the game.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Please point me to a thread where people discuss the weaknesses in E: D game design. Most are just angry rants, flamebait fests and incessant whining & whinging. Usually with very agressive and rude language.

One thing i have learned during these few months - Internet gives people strange empowerment which some can't handle. Therefore while issues might be legit, way it's broadcasted is appalling at best.

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Meanwhile, out of the rarefied atmosphere of the forums, the vast majority of players are happily playing the game.

Ain't you kiddin I think I will choose game from now on in evenings.

 

[roderick]

Its the "complainers" that have the best chance of improving the game. We are perhaps 40% of the players right now(no I cannot substantiate this percentage). The other 60% consist of the 40% who love the game and the 20% who will leave quietly. However the "whiny" 40 percent, who are making suggestions in their mind, are the unsatisfied players who are likely to stick around if certain changes are made.

The best case scenario for the happy 40% if Frontier doesn't listen to the "complainers" is a 60 percent reduction in player population. The worst case scenario is that they can't compete with Star Citizen and the numerous other games that will come out in the next two years, and Frontier will either close it doors or work on another project. If every one kept their mouths shut about the lack of content in this game then this games player base would bleed away until nothing is left. Unfortunately this game is completely on Frontiers servers,so if enough us leave you loyalist are screwed.

 

[Mikey2305]

I love the whining. I always log on here for a while to catch up with the latest buzz topics, usually at the end of the day and when there is rubbish on the telly. Keeps me amused and some of the stuff is downright hilarious. I still think of 'stop the universe i want to go to bed' with affection. Most of the folks on here are sensible and intelligent and make some good and constructive comments and criticism. Some arent...

 

[Joe Spivey]

Its the "complainers" that have the best chance of improving the game. We are perhaps 40% of the players right now(no I cannot substantiate this percentage). The other 60% consist of the 40% who love the game and the 20% who will leave quietly. However the "whiny" 40 percent, who are making suggestions in their mind, are the unsatisfied players who are likely to stick around if certain changes are made.

The best case scenario for the happy 40% if Frontier doesn't listen to the "complainers" is a 60 percent reduction in player population. The worst case scenario is that they can't compete with Star Citizen and the numerous other games that will come out in the next two years, and Frontier will either close it doors or work on another project. If every one kept their mouths shut about the lack of content in this game then this games player base would bleed away until nothing is left. Unfortunately this game is completely on Frontiers servers,so if enough us leave you loyalist are screwed.

If you can't substantiate the figure you are using then the rest of your post, which relies on these figures, is meaningless.

 

[Jeroll3d]

Community goals don't actually add anything new to do, and if you want to see the endless stream of suggestions go to the suggestions sub-forum.

? Dev Team NOT ready sugestion forum.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Its the "complainers" that have the best chance of improving the game. We are perhaps 40% of the players right now(no I cannot substantiate this percentage). The other 60% consist of the 40% who love the game and the 20% who will leave quietly. However the "whiny" 40 percent, who are making suggestions in their mind, are the unsatisfied players who are likely to stick around if certain changes are made.

You are right, you pulled that number out of backside. Also FD has it's own game plan, and they don't need whiners and complainers. They need good quality feedback and tickets.

The best case scenario for the happy 40% if Frontier doesn't listen to the "complainers" is a 60 percent reduction in player population. The worst case scenario is that they can't compete with Star Citizen and the numerous other games that will come out in the next two years, and Frontier will either close it doors or work on another project. If every one kept their mouths shut about the lack of content in this game then this games player base would bleed away until nothing is left. Unfortunately this game is completely on Frontiers servers,so if enough us leave you loyalist are screwed.

Sorry, you completely build your arguments out of tin air. Besides SC there aren't many games covering niche ED goes in. Also numbers is nonsense.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

So my question is: what do you whiners want?

To dance like no-one's watching?

 

[Vasea Azure]

I see so Much topics about negative respons and whining.
So my question is: what do you whiners about whining want?

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I see so Much topics about negative respons and whining.
So my question is: what do you whiners about whining want?

Less tears, more ponies? Seriously, less toxic behavior, less hyperbole, and less forum politics (mass posts thinking it will bend FD to their will).

I could say less EVE vibe here, but that would be too generic.

 

[Jeroll3d]

If the development team, Michael - ED - not radically change the way is leading its development - excuse me - the trend is the game 'fall'. Having fewer people attending, etc. ED has an advantage, came out in front of Star Citzen, for example, and another is that there is NOTHING like ED unless the XRebirth. But the gaming industry has seen that there is a huge slice of science fiction fans.

What everyone wants to ED? More immersion, more reasons to give ourselves more time to the game. More options. When we talk about games, we have compulsorily to talk underwater. Something like, you want to live the character or your ship, see it in space, in specific situations (external cameras, either as or wherever - hangar, solo mode, whatever); leave your cabin, walk in the back, etc.

Small things can be done to give more dynamism to the game as the developer team prepares other news, as an 'internal chat' between players, external cameras to appreciate - even - what Frontier offers to sell, (textures ships).

I know there is a schedule, fixes, improvements - but the games industry is like that, it requires a lot of developer companies, as we deal with the 'new all the time', and not only in the gaming industry.