That's awesome. At some point though the DDF people are actually going to influence the game and all those great design discussions will be in-game though right? Because it sure seems to me, and and many many others, from reading both the DDF and the DDA, that the DDF is nothing more than a good old boys club where you can hide away from the "general public" and have some good talks. Those talks were just that, talks, and have had little to no influence on the game. At all. With the possible exception of Super Cruise (which David always brings up) so, thanks to all you DDF Gods for donating all that money to change SC and stay away from the peasant population. I, for one, appreciate all the hard work and effort from you guys, even though it had almost no influence on the game, at all.
So where are all the Gods ?
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That's awesome. At some point though the DDF people are actually going to influence the game and all those great design discussions will be in-game though right? Because it sure seems to me, and and many many others, from reading both the DDF and the DDA, that the DDF is nothing more than a good old boys club where you can hide away from the "general public" and have some good talks. Those talks were just that, talks, and have had little to no influence on the game. At all. With the possible exception of Super Cruise (which David always brings up) so, thanks to all you DDF Gods for donating all that money to change SC and stay away from the peasant population. I, for one, appreciate all the hard work and effort from you guys, even though it had almost no influence on the game, at all.
So, if i got this right -some people paid lots of money to have a chance to affect game development decisions, through a "Private area - staff only" forums and we are yet to see the results?
Minimum of $300 for a chance to have a civil conversation, instead of actually getting heard by the devs...Ouch.
G(L)ame development has turned into a business form, that promises a lot, but so rarely delivers the moneys worth.
They do this because they know they can get away with it.
Minimum of $300 for a chance to have a civil conversation, instead of actually getting heard by the devs...Ouch.
G(L)ame development has turned into a business form, that promises a lot, but so rarely delivers the moneys worth.
They do this because they know they can get away with it.
Wow...as an original player from the 80's who has a great love of the Elite franchise...who somehow didn't find out about the Kickstarter until it was over...I am VERY disappointed to learn there is a cadre of people who had more access than the rest of us.
My disappointment in learning my opinion matters less than these people is immense.
My disappointment in learning my opinion matters less than these people is immense.
Keira Knightly ? Surely that would have put you off pledging at that level ? 
In all seriousness though, and without it being the Slopey and Sanderson WWE Raw Title Fight, is there anyone else part of the DDF who can shed light into recent discussions within that forum, and maybe their own perspective ? And let's not tear strips off the next person Sandy
In all seriousness though, and without it being the Slopey and Sanderson WWE Raw Title Fight, is there anyone else part of the DDF who can shed light into recent discussions within that forum, and maybe their own perspective ? And let's not tear strips off the next person Sandy
Im afraid despite knowing about the campaign and choosing not to pledge, I don't agree with you. Everyone's opinion matters and it's been evident in the way some of the balancing has occurred in recent weeks. That's purely been down to the forum here. But these backers paid/ pledged to make the game a reality at a level that meant their financial investment gave them direct access to the Devs and direction of the core design.
Whilst I don't necessarily agree with some the outcomes of this design forum, and frankly these people have to learn with their input now as much as the player base has to, I'm hoping going forward their eyes are a little more open to how FD operate and what the game and FD actually can deliver.
Trivia.
Worth it ten times over.
The point for me was to ensure the game went in the right direction. To play a part, no matter how small, in guiding ED was the reason I backed at the DDF level. I wanted to make sure MY GAME, I'll repeat that, MY GAME, went in the right direction and wasn't screwed up because of some nonsense commercial "needs" or atery from some idiot studio.
As one example that stands out for me personally, there was a pivotal moment when ED could have been just another Freelancer or some other PoI to PoI game. We made it clear that the ability to go anywhere arbitrarily was at the absolute core of Elite and if it were missing then there would be no Elite.
Don't bother raising SC to other stars, couldn't do that in the original Elite either. Preserving the go anywhere and do anything mentality was the point. It'd be nice to SC to other stars but it's hardly practical or essential. Player choice over where they go, when they go, and what they do when there even if that's absolutely nothing at all, is essential.
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Mine turned up last week.
Not had a chance to open the crate yet though as I've been busy.
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Damn you! Let me in! I want in! Please! There a horrible things here in the wild forums. Lions, and Tigers, and Bears, oh my!
* If you own a business, you have a high level of control over it.
* If you are a shareholder in a business, you have a voice, although how much depends on your % of shares. In ED terms, those who backed early on are a bit like shareholders. They invested in the game to a higher level than the average player. The main difference here is there is no secondary market for the "shares". You either jumped on the boat when the chance was there, or you missed it. Life is tough.
* If you are a customer of a business, you do have a voice, but its just one of many. In the case of ED, you can shout for (For example) increased interdictions, but when half the player base are shouting for less interdictions, then the decision makers are free to do as they choose. As a customer you need a common voice with many others to be heard, and even then, the decision makers can still choose to do differently. One thing you learn in software development (or with any product i fancy), is what the customers want, isn't always what they need, or even good for the customers.
* If you are not a customer, then you have no voice. This is why i chuckle at the rage quit threads, because they tend to lay down demands in the same breath as they say they are no longer going to be customers.
Click those purdy heels together three times and say, "There's no place like the DDF, there's no place like the DDF"
+1 - Whilst backing on Kickstarter doesn't make you a shareholder of FD or co-owner of the game itself, the financial investment does carry with it an implied share of voice above the rest of us. I don't have an issue with that at all, and to be honest if I had pledged I'd have gone for this level. Then they'd have had to put up with me in there as well
This has all the makings of a thread going nowhere.
Re the DDF ideas... You can bet some will still make it in but remember that things change and ideas evolve so you may not recognize the original concept when it finally appears... This is what happens in ALL product development... Get used to it and instead of complaining about what could have been or what he said or she said or they said or promised and lobby, nicely, and effectively, to get the changes you think are required.... Work with people rather than carp incessantly...
Re the DDF ideas... You can bet some will still make it in but remember that things change and ideas evolve so you may not recognize the original concept when it finally appears... This is what happens in ALL product development... Get used to it and instead of complaining about what could have been or what he said or she said or they said or promised and lobby, nicely, and effectively, to get the changes you think are required.... Work with people rather than carp incessantly...
Wrong. Our opinion doesn't matter more.
We just have a specific set of topics that FD wants to hear our opinions and ideas about.
They present their ideas, and then we discuss them.
It's not as godlike or elitist (pardon the pun) as some think - it's more an exclusive thing for higher-level kickstarter backers.
We get "early access" to some topics, basically.
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I think you also need to define "God Like Powers".
There are threads in the DDF that could be taken as falling into this category.
I am also sure there will be more to come.
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The DDF is just a think tank. Frontier just bounce ideas off us now and again. Nothing more, nothing less.
The DDF doesn't get any special treatment from Devs or Frontier staff. In fact Frontier staff post in the general public forums way, way, more than they do in the DDF. I cannot remember the last time anyone from Frontier actually engaged us in a discussion.
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There is a lot of demanding and self entitlement on these forums.
We want X! When do we want it?! YESTERDAY!
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@Sanderson, while I see where you're coming with some of your comments I don't see how you can get upset about something on the behalf of me or other DDF members. The only people who are in any real position to complain about the worthyness of the DDF is really DDF members themselves.
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Are all the DDF happy with ED and Frontier? Hell no. The DDF are just human like everyone else. Some have been extremely vocal.
Has it been worth it?...for me, absolutely. Every last penny. I've had a blast. If it wasn't for the DDF I wouldn't have been driven around a track in a Porche only to nearly miss a tight corner at high speed
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I am very happy sitting back. I'm in it for the long run.
There are threads in the DDF that could be taken as falling into this category.
I am also sure there will be more to come.
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The DDF is just a think tank. Frontier just bounce ideas off us now and again. Nothing more, nothing less.
The DDF doesn't get any special treatment from Devs or Frontier staff. In fact Frontier staff post in the general public forums way, way, more than they do in the DDF. I cannot remember the last time anyone from Frontier actually engaged us in a discussion.
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There is a lot of demanding and self entitlement on these forums.
We want X! When do we want it?! YESTERDAY!
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@Sanderson, while I see where you're coming with some of your comments I don't see how you can get upset about something on the behalf of me or other DDF members. The only people who are in any real position to complain about the worthyness of the DDF is really DDF members themselves.
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Are all the DDF happy with ED and Frontier? Hell no. The DDF are just human like everyone else. Some have been extremely vocal.
Has it been worth it?...for me, absolutely. Every last penny. I've had a blast. If it wasn't for the DDF I wouldn't have been driven around a track in a Porche only to nearly miss a tight corner at high speed
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I am very happy sitting back. I'm in it for the long run.
In the year before release it was great fun and very rewarding. It is a shame that things like the shields proposal did not make it into the game, much like many other things. However, on balance, I do think we were of great use to Frontier in the development of the game.
Nowadays there is not so much for us to do, and Frontiers attention seems to be on development of the updates without further recourse to the DDF. We have discussed comms and other topics but it has been quite light touch stuff.
There is no discussion about our "God like" powers and I suspect that is not even on their radar at the moment.
Nowadays there is not so much for us to do, and Frontiers attention seems to be on development of the updates without further recourse to the DDF. We have discussed comms and other topics but it has been quite light touch stuff.
There is no discussion about our "God like" powers and I suspect that is not even on their radar at the moment.
I'm a member of the DDF.
I didn't get involved in the earlier discussions. It was a bit piecemeal, in that there was no overall design for context as far as I could see. Plus it was too much like my day job! I was happy to drop in from time to time and see what was happening.
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A few of observations though...
1. A lot of the guys that did contribute a lot have been disappointed and critical. They put a lot of time and energy into it, and share a lot of the same frustrations as many in the general forums do. I might be wrong, but I get a feeling that some of these guys have been involved for so long that no matter what was released it would be a disappointment just through burn out. But it's not a them and us.
2. There's no apparent role for the DDF at present, maybe at all in the future. Who knows? There's more interaction in the general forums from the Dev team than in the DDF now.
3. The godlike powers were seemingly oversold, I felt that at the time of the kickstarter and even more so now. I feel sorry for those that stumped up the extra cash as KS was concluding on that basis.
I didn't get involved in the earlier discussions. It was a bit piecemeal, in that there was no overall design for context as far as I could see. Plus it was too much like my day job! I was happy to drop in from time to time and see what was happening.
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A few of observations though...
1. A lot of the guys that did contribute a lot have been disappointed and critical. They put a lot of time and energy into it, and share a lot of the same frustrations as many in the general forums do. I might be wrong, but I get a feeling that some of these guys have been involved for so long that no matter what was released it would be a disappointment just through burn out. But it's not a them and us.
2. There's no apparent role for the DDF at present, maybe at all in the future. Who knows? There's more interaction in the general forums from the Dev team than in the DDF now.
3. The godlike powers were seemingly oversold, I felt that at the time of the kickstarter and even more so now. I feel sorry for those that stumped up the extra cash as KS was concluding on that basis.
Let me check....
1. Beard (check)
2. Sitting on high looking down at the populations of many planets without being seen (check)
3. Able to travel faster than the speed of light (check)
4. Immortal (check)
5. Works in mysterious ways (check)
Who needs to be a DDF member when you could just be ME?
1. Beard (check)
2. Sitting on high looking down at the populations of many planets without being seen (check)
3. Able to travel faster than the speed of light (check)
4. Immortal (check)
5. Works in mysterious ways (check)
Who needs to be a DDF member when you could just be ME?
If it's not long and white then it doesn't count
If it's not long and white then it doesn't count
Wrong kind of deity... I'm more the hammer wielding, smiting kind rather than the contemplative/alternately vengeful/hippie kind.
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Not only that but a Norwich City fan....(Waits for Mikesnos to appear)
No one mentioned that to me........ED!!!!
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I tried to grow a beard but David Braben came round and shaved it off, he said I hadn't backed at a high enough level...
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This discussion has been done to death in a number of other threads. It's a crying shame that a lot of the DDF stuff isn't in the game and may never make it but it is what it is unfortunately. The really strange thing is I rarely hear any of the DDF members complain, it always seems to be others complaining on their behalf.
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This discussion has been done to death in a number of other threads. It's a crying shame that a lot of the DDF stuff isn't in the game and may never make it but it is what it is unfortunately. The really strange thing is I rarely hear any of the DDF members complain, it always seems to be others complaining on their behalf.
*hides*
...and there was be going to bribe you with some brownies
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One other thing to consider, that really has not been mentioned is the fact that over the last 2 years any attempt at Frontier even hinting at DDF members having an advantage in game has been shot down in flames by the majority of the DDF.
I can honestly say that if Frontier suddenly announced that the DDF were to have some massive god like powers in game that would give them an advantage it would be rejected by the vast majority of DDF members.
It's very possible that Frontier have thought "Hmmm they don't even want a minor advantage, maybe we need to rethink what god mode is".
They are still thinking...and the latest thread is them doing exactly this.
...just a thought
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Shocking. Baiting of the highest order!
Trust me, they do...they just don't air their laundry in public
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