General / Off-Topic FD- HALF YEAR REPORT

Selling via Steam meant giving up 30% of their revenue to Valve who do exactly nothing for that free money.
Want to rethink that statement?

And of course if FD implemented in Steam's/Valve's community toolset, we'd probably have coms and voice chat that worked :)
 
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Apple doesn't pay dividend and its the biggest capitalised company

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/dividen...a-top-25-dividend-giant-with-2-35-yield-aapl/

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I think what they meant is that people won't buy FD shares because they would be thrown off by the company not paying dividends.

Ater 8 years of work in the stockbroking business (2nd largest execution only stockbroker in the UK) I am fairly confident that the lack of dividend shouldn't put people off from investing in FD shares... People do not invest for dividends :) Dividend is more of a little extra on a side.

Dividends are an indication of a company exceeding expectations no?
 
The average unit price will be affected by many things, for example I cheaped out and got the Early £20 copy from the original Kickstarter campaign, I think there were quite a few of those available and levels that were around £30 were available too.

Well you can see exactly how many people backed at those levels:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous

£20 - 9999
£25 - 3611
£30 - 738
£32 - 921
£35 - 138
£37 - 641

Anything over that is the same cost of the game and only comes with digital rewards.
 
Two things strike me after reading that.

"Revenue up 44% to £7.3m supported by self publishing pre release sales" - I'm surprised that self-publishing gains this much. Do publishers really take that much revenue from sales? I though, for example, Stream only took a few percentage points of the sale value.

Second thing was the name of the CFO - Neil Armstrong. Couldn't be any more apt.

As far as I know, Steam does not take few points. Steam takes 30%, if you have score of 70 or lower on Metacritic. Every 10 points up and you have 5% less to pay. So if Elite has 80, that means they would have to pay 25% of their sales to Steam. You can bring that down to 15% if you get 100 on Metacritic. It worked that way in the past, I don't know if the rules changed and if they changed for everyone but since someone mentioned same percentage already, I guess I'm right.

And if you have a publisher beside that, they usually take 20-50% so with a simple math you get the conclusion that developers usually get all the hate, not Steam or publishers, and they are just a cheap workforce. Believe me, having your game on Steam, no matter how good it is doesn't mean you'll get rich. Since Frontier is self publishing that's one less thing to worry about, luckily.
 
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nah mate, just google it on yahoo

just google it on yahoo.. lmao! if you cant be bothered to support a claim, even something as generalised as that, why bother making it? as for you suggesting them 'getting it wrong' from where im sitting, that report shows good stable management of their business. the decision to not release on steam, shows confidence in their own product and marketing. so it seems the only risks they took were developemental, nice to see a sensible company, focusing on steady growth, with faith in their product and employees, it shows a strong desire for longevity, as opposed to decisions made through greed.
 
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Agreed, they did miss a few tricks, I recall in a dev Q&A back in the summer about Oolite... none of them had ever played it.. which is a pity as it has some good concepts which align to Elite lore

Oolite is a fine game, but I don't think it really matters whether or not they played it. In its default unmodded form, it's a straight-up remake of the original Elite with better graphics and a somewhat more up-to-date UI.
 
for all the people complaining about lack of content in ED............ reading their financials one line struck me........
"15 content creation roles were made redundant in Cambridge (from 281 total headcount),"
So hiring more programmers but getting rid of people 'making content'... interesting choice...
 
I found this interesting... "Frontier also announced Elite: Dangerous 1.2, a second free expansion which further enhances multiplayer aspects of the game, would be released in March 2015 and that an early-access Beta program for the Apple Mac version of Elite: Dangerous will start in March 2015." how can they call what was in 1.1 and going to be 1.2 as expansions? They are not... An expansion is to extend upon already finished content.... ED is anything but that!
 
just google it on yahoo.. lmao! if you cant be bothered to support a claim, even something as generalised as that, why bother making it? as for you suggesting them 'getting it wrong' from where im sitting, that report shows good stable management of their business. the decision to not release on steam, shows confidence in their own product and marketing. so it seems the only risks they took were developemental, nice to see a sensible company, focusing on steady growth, with faith in their product and employees, it shows a strong desire for longevity, as opposed to decisions made through greed.


fair enough. I have no clue about their business model. I was merely pointing out that they did a lot of other questionable decisions and therefor it would not suprise me if they actually got the "steam thingy" wrong too.
 
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Well found, I could not be<SNIP> to find the proper source material, pretty sure they will skew the average.
 
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for all the people complaining about lack of content in ED............ reading their financials one line struck me........
"15 content creation roles were made redundant in Cambridge (from 281 total headcount),"
So hiring more programmers but getting rid of people 'making content'... interesting choice...

Explains a lot about the state of GalNet for a start.
 
The point is how many sales have been lost by not being on steam.
Undoubtedly a lot, but then the chances of this game and forum of being flooded with so many Steamy-nublets would rise exponentially and the crying would wake mothers around the world for months. Bit of hyperbol, just because. :p
I'm grateful it's not on Steam, I unilaterally hate that resource-stealing pile of junk and avoid it if I can; if I didn't have to have it open when I played my games, I wouldn't mind. I hate having to have a completely unrelated app open, especially one that is not needed for the game to function in the slightest. Steam, UPlay, Origin .. they can all burn in hell.

Outside of UK and previous Elite players of yore how many Know Elite and Frontier as a brand and can find the website?

1. Anybody who has played the Roller Coaster Tycoon games,
2. Anybody who follows any gaming website,
3. Anybody who has any friends who follow gaming websites or who has played the Roller Coaster Tycoon game.

I'm in South Africa and have known for years who FD are.
 
for all the people complaining about lack of content in ED............ reading their financials one line struck me........
"15 content creation roles were made redundant in Cambridge (from 281 total headcount),"
So hiring more programmers but getting rid of people 'making content'... interesting choice...

Did you read the part where they've just finished two other games? Xbox port of coaster crazy and that amazon tablet one. Not everyone has been working on Elite.
 
I found this interesting... "Frontier also announced Elite: Dangerous 1.2, a second free expansion which further enhances multiplayer aspects of the game, would be released in March 2015 and that an early-access Beta program for the Apple Mac version of Elite: Dangerous will start in March 2015." how can they call what was in 1.1 and going to be 1.2 as expansions? They are not... An expansion is to extend upon already finished content.... ED is anything but that!

No kidding. But they can't tell investors that they have "fixed (after several tries) a bunch of stuff that was missing/broken on release". That does not foster confidence.

I wish they would be consistent with terminology. Patches are frequent and free because they couldn't get away with charging for them (mass exodus). Expansions are paid, and we expect the first in 11 months.
 
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Oh well they moved it off the front page to off-Topic, not sure why? I would say it was certainly about Frontier

Forum: Off-Topic
Discuss things not relating to Frontier. May contain cats.
 
Did you read the part where they've just finished two other games? Xbox port of coaster crazy and that amazon tablet one. Not everyone has been working on Elite.
You're not allowed to use logic on the pessimistic cynics; it hurts their brains. EVERYONE knows that a software house can only work on one project at a time. :rolleyes:
 
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