A DK2's rebuttal of the CV1 hype

[Beavis Tingleball]

I first heard about the Oculus Rift 2-3 years ago and was actually pretty dismissive of the idea as something that sounded good in theory but would never see the light of day. At the time, I was gaming on a 13' curved(home made) projector screen and was outfitted with Nvidia's 3Dvision and an Acer H5360 720p projector who's settings actually had the capabillity to fit a curved screen correctly. It was the greatest thing I had ever experienced(sorry ladies). As the years wore on and projector bulbs blew I could only hope that a better 3D solution would become available, but never once did the Rift cross my mind. It wasnt until christmas 2014 that I sat at my PC trying to find something to buy myself(lol) that my brother said "why dont you buy a rift". I decided to give the idea a few minutes of my time and did some research(youtube) and ended up taking a leap of faith. So the Rift gets to my door 4-5 days later. I open the box, carefully read instructions and inside of 5 min i'm sitting at a desk looking at a plant. YAY!!!! the thing works and it's unlike ANYTHING anyones' ever seen before, but I want more to look at than this plant and house of cards. I recalled a friend from work telling me about ELITEANGEROUS and how it supports the Rift so I buy ED...now, I have a very modest PC. not the best but not the worst and yet I enjoy the rift in a way that EVERY OTHER rift related thread says is impossible given my PC specs. I keep hearing about the CV1 and how we're gonna need a quantum computer with 6 or 7 gtx titan xyz 9,000,000's to run it @90hz and "stuff". this simply is NOT true and unless some new type of pixel-less screen is invented, the CV1 will only be a slight upgrade from the DK2. The fact that NV DSR settings allow a night/day difference in rift picture quallity, EVEN on a modest system without any noticable performance impact tells me that the DK2 is a viable VR solution for years to come. so in closing, it is my opinion that the DK2 IS very user friendly and that waiting for the CV1 is a mistake. you are a PC gamer.. if you want things made any easier, you should probably buy a dumbed down console and hope that it does everything for you.

 

[GrungePunk]

I first heard about the Oculus Rift 2-3 years ago and was actually pretty dismissive of the idea as something that sounded good in theory but would never see the light of day. At the time, I was gaming on a 13' curved(home made) projector screen and was outfitted with Nvidia's 3Dvision and an Acer H5360 720p projector who's settings actually had the capabillity to fit a curved screen correctly. It was the greatest thing I had ever experienced(sorry ladies). As the years wore on and projector bulbs blew I could only hope that a better 3D solution would become available, but never once did the Rift cross my mind. It wasnt until christmas 2014 that I sat at my PC trying to find something to buy myself(lol) that my brother said "why dont you buy a rift". I decided to give the idea a few minutes of my time and did some research(youtube) and ended up taking a leap of faith. So the Rift gets to my door 4-5 days later. I open the box, carefully read instructions and inside of 5 min i'm sitting at a desk looking at a plant. YAY!!!! the thing works and it's unlike ANYTHING anyones' ever seen before, but I want more to look at than this plant and house of cards. I recalled a friend from work telling me about ELITEANGEROUS and how it supports the Rift so I buy ED...now, I have a very modest PC. not the best but not the worst and yet I enjoy the rift in a way that EVERY OTHER rift related thread says is impossible given my PC specs. I keep hearing about the CV1 and how we're gonna need a quantum computer with 6 or 7 gtx titan xyz 9,000,000's to run it @90hz and "stuff". this simply is NOT true and unless some new type of pixel-less screen is invented, the CV1 will only be a slight upgrade from the DK2. The fact that NV DSR settings allow a night/day difference in rift picture quallity, EVEN on a modest system without any noticable performance impact tells me that the DK2 is a viable VR solution for years to come. so in closing, it is my opinion that the DK2 IS very user friendly and that waiting for the CV1 is a mistake. you are a PC gamer.. if you want things made any easier, you should probably buy a dumbed down console and hope that it does everything for you.

Could you please list your computer's specs? I have what I would consider a modest computer and the only way I can get 75 FPS with my Rift DK2 at 1080p is by lowering all my settings to low as well as reducing the Rift's image quality. Text is now next to impossible to read without leaning into it. Also the screen on the CV1 will be vastly superior but also require more power. The screen is suppose to be around the same size as the one in the DK2 but with a 4k native resolution instead of 1080p. That's almost 4 times the amount of pixels in a screen around the same size as the DK2 therefore the pixels will have to be smaller to fit all of them on the screen which means the image will end up looking crisp and detailed, hopefully even with stuff at a distance. Seeing as how my computer can't even hit 4k on my DK2 using NV DSR without the game lagging like crazy I'm left to assume that it's time to buy a 980 and an i7... :/

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

my specs are s follows: msi big bang 2 X79 mobo, i7 3820@4ghz, 16gigs ddr3@1600mhz, 2x msi 670 power edition/SLi and a thermaltake 850w psu.
I currently run ED at ultra (game detected) with a DSR res of 1440p and a smoothness factor of 100%, AA@ SLI 64x csaa and AAtrans @sli 16x supersample. I've made other minor settings changes but the ones i listed are the most unbelievable.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

Could you please list your computer's specs? I have what I would consider a modest computer and the only way I can get 75 FPS with my Rift DK2 at 1080p is by lowering all my settings to low as well as reducing the Rift's image quality. Text is now next to impossible to read without leaning into it. Also the screen on the CV1 will be vastly superior but also require more power. The screen is suppose to be around the same size as the one in the DK2 but with a 4k native resolution instead of 1080p. That's almost 4 times the amount of pixels in a screen around the same size as the DK2 therefore the pixels will have to be smaller to fit all of them on the screen which means the image will end up looking crisp and detailed, hopefully even with stuff at a distance. Seeing as how my computer can't even hit 4k on my DK2 using NV DSR without the game lagging like crazy I'm left to assume that it's time to buy a 980 and an i7... :/

can you list your specs as well? maybe cross-referencing the two might give you a hint as to how you may boost your performance. for instance, I set my CPU as my physx processor. not that it actually handles any physx(i think) but my theory is that it takes an unseen load off my GPU's. setting it like this kills the micro judder i had before.

 

[Pyro Steel]

my specs are s follows: msi big bang 2 X79 mobo, i7 3820@4ghz, 16gigs ddr3@1600mhz, 2x msi 670 power edition/SLi and a thermaltake 850w psu.
I currently run ED at ultra (game detected) with a DSR res of 1440p and a smoothness factor of 100%, AA@ SLI 64x csaa and AAtrans @sli 16x supersample. I've made other minor settings changes but the ones i listed are the most unbelievable.

Wait... how are you running with DSR?
im on an asus Gene Z97, i7 4770k, 32gb ram, 2x gtx 670ftw 4g/SLi and 850w psu. I run the game with a few settings at low, most a medium and a few at high with blur and AA off. If i move the Super sampling to anything higher than 1 my fps plummet to the point where i turn my head and the view slowly catches it. Teach me your ways. I must have something setup wrong.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

Wait... how are you running with DSR?
im on an asus Gene Z97, i7 4770k, 32gb ram, 2x gtx 670ftw 4g/SLi and 850w psu. I run the game with a few settings at low, most a medium and a few at high with blur and AA off. If i move the Super sampling to anything higher than 1 my fps plummet to the point where i turn my head and the view slowly catches it. Teach me your ways. I must have something setup wrong.

exactly!! I really cant explain how it works but it does..the only place in-game that I see any stutter is the first few sec of hyper jump and SOMETIMES a RES site. If you are setting the DSR in-game you're messin' up. set it in the NVCP and test it out. I cant run DSR if set in game but I experience no noticable perf hit if i use NVCP. also, the high AA settings almost seem to increase performance....if that makes any sense lol.

 

[Pyro Steel]

exactly!! I really cant explain how it works but it does..the only place in-game that I see any stutter is the first few sec of hyper jump and SOMETIMES a RES site.

Those first few seconds in HyperSpace even out of the rift drops a few frames, and RES sites are notorious as an fps killer.
My question is though, are you using the super sampling option in the Elite game, or are you setting a super sampling level in the Nvidia control panel? I want to play on ultra with DSR, but my system just slows to a chug when i set the DSR in the Elite menus.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

I'll take screenshots of all my GFX settings and post for you to look over. I know alot of folks want to call on this thread, hell I would. but i promise...no

 

[Pyro Steel]

I'll take screenshots of all my GFX settings and post for you to look over. I know alot of folks want to call on this thread, hell I would. but i promise...no

I really would love to see your setup. Im sure i'v got some dumb power save option or something checked somewhere that's throttling my cards, i don't know. But if my setup has the potential to play on ultra with DSR, i'd like to be doing that. As my settings go now though in Elite, im on a low-med, no aa, no dsr, and barely pulling 70fps. Playable, but definitely could be better.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

Those first few seconds in HyperSpace even out of the rift drops a few frames, and RES sites are notorious as an fps killer.
My question is though, are you using the super sampling option in the Elite game, or are you setting a super sampling level in the Nvidia control panel? I want to play on ultra with DSR, but my system just slows to a chug when i set the DSR in the Elite menus.

the only settings i tamper with in-game are Rift related and gfx quality (low, mid, high..) everything else is done in NVCP. i set all AA to overide app settings and then max them out. v-sync is ON. pre-rendered set to 1. VR set to 1. no app controlled settings.

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I really would love to see your setup. Im sure i'v got some dumb power save option or something checked somewhere that's throttling my cards, i don't know. But if my setup has the potential to play on ultra with DSR, i'd like to be doing that. As my settings go now though in Elite, im on a low-med, no aa, no dsr, and barely pulling 70fps. Playable, but definitely could be better.

look in your BIOS and see what your PCIE is set to. mine WAS defaulted to 2.0 on a flagship mobo...that made quite a dif. also, are you running x16+x16 or x16+x8 on your SLi?

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

@ PYRO, the performance you describe from your rig is almost spot on to mine before I started playing around with settings. I really think you can pull alot more than you currently get out of your machine.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

heh, this is kinda funny but can someone walk me through taking a screen shot of my NVCP ?

 

[Pyro Steel]

If you are useing win7 or 8 use the snipping tool. In win 7 use the search bar on your start menu, in win8 go you your dock screen and type "snipping tool" I like the snipping tool because you can screenshot a certain piece of your screen.

And im not sure what i have my mobo set to. I'll double check that when i boot up tonight. Thanks for the advice too.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

take a peek..hope this helps EDIT: my rift was turned off when i snipped and even though it shows it on a DVI it is in fact on the HDMI output of the card.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

here's the properfied snipple

 

[Pyro Steel]

wow, this actually worked really good! Freakin sweet thanks for the tips. + rep for you.

 

[CMDR Saari]

wow, this actually worked really good!

Yeah no joke! These settings seem completely bonkers but they totally work Thanks for posting these Beavis, have some rep from me as well.

I'm now running 1440p DSR and shadows on High - before they were on Low or Off. I get some frame judder in stations sporadically but otherwise its smooth sailing. Well done indeed.

For reference: i7 2600k @3.4GHz (no OC), 8GB RAM, single GTX 970 (also stock speeds)

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

glad i could help! feel free to PM me if you have any other questions.

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

Yeah no joke! These settings seem completely bonkers but they totally work

isn't that neat? lol..

 

[Beavis Tingleball]

I'd also like to add that i use MSI afterburner to OC my cards. the settings i use are: power limit-114%
core clock- +50, mem clock- +415, extra core voltage- +25, mem volts +10 and +10 on the aux volts.
this nets me a stable 1254mhz on core and 6840 on mem.