New ships and their prices... WHY?

[Rickythewolf]

So I'm in the process of downloading the new update and was looking at the patch notes and saw Frontier added two new ships the Vulture and the Fer-De-Lance (here on out refered to as the FDL)
So i thought I'd check out these ships on the Elite Dangerous wiki and was flabbergasted to see the prices of them. The FDL coming in at 102.5million Credits and the Vulture at as near as makes no difference 22million Credits.
This has confused and annoyed me as Elite wasn't hurting for pricey ships, with your lakons, Anacondas and Pythons. So I didn't think it needed two more multi-million credit ships added to the list.
What Elite needs are more intermediate ships for purchase. Something to go between the Cobra at 370,000 credits, and the ASP at 6.6million credits.
Now i know what you're gonna say, "Just buy a Lakon type 6, its only 1million credits." And yess that's true, but you can't use a Lakon for bounty hunting, or priracy because it lacks offensive capabilities. So unless you team up with some mates, you can only do hauling solo, even mining is risky because a wanted sidewinder is more manuverable than the lakon.
So what we need is a multipurpose ship that comes in between the Cobra and the ASP. The Vulture is a bit of a bridge for going from a ASP to a Python, and the FDL between the Python and Anaconda. But from what I'm hearing FDL isn't as good as a properly kitted out Python.
So please Frontier, stop adding ships with massive price tags. The game is already grindy enough without having to spend days, or weeks saving up for your next ship purchase.
There needs to be a more gradual incline like between the starting ships. where there wasn't much of a gulf between a Viper and a Cobra.

Sorry for this being a bit of a rant but it's just bugging me so much.

Tell me your thoughts on Frontiers two new additions. and what you think needs to be put in next

 

[CloneWarrior85]

I don't call this a rant, but a good point of observation.

Wish FD had paid a bit more attention.

 

[anotheribex]

no thoughts on the fdl, but i was waiting to see the pricing on the vulture, as i was interested in a combat ship a step up from the viper. for 22 mil, just stock, i'm no longer interested in the vulture. too pricey for a pure combat ship, when i look at the risk versus reward. i may experiment in using my asp again, with higher spec equipment than the last time i tried combat in it, or just go back to using the viper for combat and asp for everything else.

 

[Sayne]

Agreed.

From what I've seen in videos about the Vulture and people's description of it's capabilities (turns and stops on a dime, crazy good shields, ability to melt the strongest shields in a few moments with C2 Bust or Beams) it's worthy of an expensive price tag... not sure if I would have set it quite so high... but it's worthy of being expensive.

What we clearly need is a different ship that is between a Cobra and an Asp, and a different ship between an Asp and the Vulture - Clipper tier.

No matter what, FDL is too expensive for what I've seen of its capabilities. Maybe 30 million just for the Huge Hardpoint, but certainly not more than a Python. Crazy.

 

[Allant Doran]

The prices aren't so bad if you consider that all professions will, hopefully, soon have the same (or at least very similar ) income scaling and progression as Trading currently does.

 

[Delta 9]

Yeah I expected the FDL to be expensive , it has always been written as a "rich persons yacht/toy/bounty hunter etc" but was hoping (not expecting) the vulture to be between the cobra and asp price wise as it really is a combat only ship . I bypassed the federal dropship and imperial clipper as I am playing as an alliance type person and dont want to work for slavers or fascists so I can buy their ships (although I do like the look of the clipper both inside and out) . Please can we have an alliance ship , pleeeeease !!! Oh and more lower priced ships , and more weapon variety , and and and .....lol

 

[VATrevelyan]

Agreed.

From what I've seen in videos about the Vulture and people's description of it's capabilities (turns and stops on a dime, crazy good shields, ability to melt the strongest shields in a few moments with C2 Bust or Beams) it's worthy of an expensive price tag... not sure if I would have set it quite so high... but it's worthy of being expensive.

What we clearly need is a different ship that is between a Cobra and an Asp, and a different ship between an Asp and the Vulture - Clipper tier.

No matter what, FDL is too expensive for what I've seen of its capabilities. Maybe 30 million just for the Huge Hardpoint, but certainly not more than a Python. Crazy.

I actually flew the FDL in the Beta. It is an excellent ship that can take a lot of punishment and dish it out, even with sub-standard equipment.

It is worth it's current price though? I'm not sure. The one thing I didn't really test out was it's profile/size. An Anaconda is not a meager target by any stretch, and as such has easily target-able weak areas.

The FDL seems somewhat smaller, is quite a bit faster and more maneuverable and has excellent survivability. And it has a Huge mount.

I'm still thinking it over myself. But I'd certainly take a FDL to war over a Anaconda, any day, you will never convince me otherwise. A Python though? That's a harder question, I will admit.

 

[reverendK]

Keeping mind there are more ships to come. It's a very likely possibility that the gaps in any given disciplines ship progression will be closed by Amy number of them. If FD had just shoved the vulture or fdl into those slots to make people happy it would have been a disservice to those ships.

This is the reality of live development. Give you barebones early mid and endgame then fill everything in as it comes online. Sometimes it feels out of order if you're not in the right place in your own progression....but others will be.

 

[Cmdr Lassan]

After flying 3h in the vulture i have to say that it is definitevely worth its price range and fully kitted out not that expensive for what it is able to do. Repair cost isn't that high even. The Fdl really is costy, don't have the feeling that it's worth it.
BUT.... there's something severly wrong with the price range in general as you all pointed out.
Grinding grinding and more grinding to get to a certain variety of ships.
At least i have something really great to fly now in combat to relax in between the trading grind.......

 

[Captain Willard]

Prices sound about right. Always preferred Play to Pay over Pay to Play.

 

[salad]

After playing a few hours in the Vulture and seeing how it melts other ships...

I'd say 20mi its a fine price, the ship is very powerful especially if you're used to fly an Eagle.

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

I really think FD needs to add cheaper ships, but the price its fine for what you get.

 

[SirFreddie]

There should be more Ships in the Nooobie/Impecunious Class. I'm a Beta player who had no intention of 'Grinding' because this game is so much more than that (Only just got an A class Cobra!)

I've had so much fun with my cheap ships but wish there was more choice at that level.

I have no problem with the price of any of the ships in ED we just need more at all price levels.

P.s. FD have balanced all ship capabilities very well... Except for the Python which was stupidly strong compared to all the other ships and was rightly nerfed* .

* Thanks to Kornelius who always flys the most overpowered ships but doesn't lie about it

[video=youtube;w9JCc7ffc2k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9JCc7ffc2k[/video]

 

[Katkon]

I think the prices are utterly ridiculous. The Vulture offers a lot less vale for money than the Asp, and I personally found the FDL to be a bit of a pig in beta and also massively overpriced.

 

[the100thmonkey]

If by "value for money" you mean "has been rendered utterly obsolete in a combat role," I agree: the Vulture is a lot less value for money than the Asp.

 

[krysohmyz]

Do we need more cheap-ish ships? Definitely.

Are these two ships overpriced? Hell no! They are both awesome and worth every penny.
I just survived a battle with three commanders in Viper, Cobra and Asp in my new A+B Vulture. I didn't win, true, but so didn't they. It was a clear draw (If I was a better-than-crap pilot, I would have won) And their ship's combined price was bigger than my Vultue's.

 

[Zeeman]

I think the Vulture is overpriced by about 12m cr. It's a fighter, and that's all it cn do. Not only that, it's severely underpowered.

Make no mistake, it's an awesome ship, truly fun to fly - possibly THE most fun to fly ship int he game, but for 22m cr, I'd expect it to boast a power plant a class higher, so it could handle all the bits people are likely to attach without it powering down on hardpoint deployment...

Also, insurance costs... That's going to hurt!


The FdL, historically, has always been a rich persons toy, and a pirates dream, I think it's priced right.


Z...

 

[Nauht]

Lol at the fanboys trying to justify the price for FD. Damn brown knight defenders hurt the game almost as much as the other side of the spectrum.

The Vulture is nice but is it 10x better than a Viper... which can do everything the Vulture can anyway. It is 10x better than the Viper? Great! price it 10x more expensive.

Is the FDL 10x better at combat than a Cobra, note combat only as the Cobra craps all over the FDL utility wise, great! price it 10x more expensive too.

These prices are ridiculous given the price if current ships and their capabilities. Yes, I too can kill all NPCs all day long too.... in my 3 mil Viper or 8 Mil Cobra if I want some variety.

 

[QziQza]

Do we need more cheap-ish ships? Definitely.

Are these two ships overpriced? Hell no! They are both awesome and worth every penny.
I just survived a battle with three commanders in Viper, Cobra and Asp in my new A+B Vulture. I didn't win, true, but so didn't they. It was a clear draw (If I was a better-than-crap pilot, I would have won) And their ship's combined price was bigger than my Vultue's.

yep totally agree with the Vulture, cant speak for the FDL as it is outside my price range, but by all acounts and stats that 110+mill tag on the FDL is appropriate.

The Vulture is a Mini Killer.. It really kicks some serious butt, the rebuy cost on it is kinda pricey so for those who are tight on cash it is still going to be a bit of an exravagence. im no uber fighter pilot, got good spacial awareness and aside from the occasional hand and head spasms i can get by. sat in a RES earlier and chalked up 750k bounties in a good time frame, not sure exactly how long, was busw having way too good a time of it. but folks are right, had they priced this ship any lower, it would not only have been a massive injustice to the ship, but also to the rest of the player base who have purchased any higher tier ships.

if you want something enough, you will do what you need to get it.. i dont love trading, but i do it, i can set my mind to it, and while it has it moments, which are far and few between, it earns me the credits to do what i want to do.. in this instance, that was fly the vulture and kick buttski, and anyone can do it.

i have the upmost respect for any player who refuses to trade on the grounds that it is boring, because even those of us who enjoy trading often find it boring. when someone says they cant trade because its really repetative, i have to agree, it really is repetative, what can i say, they are both fairly apt discriptions of trading. but.. players shouldnt go around blaming the game for not giving them the tools to progress financially, when quite clearly they do. players shouldnt go off at traders saying we have it easy and we are making unfair earnings. because basically the differance between traders and everyone else.. we know what we want, we set out sights on the goal, and we put up with all the stuff you arnt prepared to, in order to get what we want. it is all down to personal choices.. use the tools provided, and buy what you want, or dont bother an just imagine the things you want.

 

[Tryst]

The FDL seems somewhat smaller, is quite a bit faster and more maneuverable and has excellent survivability. And it has a Huge mount.

Until they nerf it.

 

[OxKing]

I think the prices are utterly ridiculous. The Vulture offers a lot less vale for money than the Asp, and I personally found the FDL to be a bit of a pig in beta and also massively overpriced.

+1
Vulture should be below the ASP not 3 times more.
This whole pricing makes no sense. You can get 500 Eagles for one Vulture. What kind of economy would bring that up?
And the Fer-De-Lance should not be just below the Anaconda either, but maybe in the Python range. I would say 65 million cr..
(And honestly, this still is too expensive considering a already expensive Imperial Clipper.)
But the real problem is the overall costs of all ships. From the Lakon Type 6 upwards they are just ridiculously priced.

FD fears if you can afford all in the game you stop playing it.
But for me it is the other way around! I can't have fun with this game because all things are too expensive!
This way Trading Fish, Vegetables and Food Cartridges or Mining Bauxite is just senseless. You don't do it!
But i would like to! I would like to live in a plausible universe. But all decisions FD made is for directing players in certain directions,
and not let them live in a real feel universe with a real like market, real Mining (not that random crap. I would like to discover, remember and revisit my mining spots. Certain Spots / Rocks in certain Belts.)
and real Rare Specialty Trading, worth trade them to even the next system (for 10% of the max 150ly profit (better cut that a bit)) and get them without artificial waiting time.

But no, the regulate and rule the game till nobody has fun.
This feels like a strongly fenced game, not like a simulated and living universe because of that.
And the ship pricing is a very prominent example of this!

I somewhat can take the price of an Anaconda for being a military corvette, with its fighter launch capability.
Just to be the dangling carrot, one can effort in about one year play time.
(Everyone who own such now was getting rich due now nerfd exploits or maybe of being maniacs with almost no real life / normal job.)
But every ship upward the t6 should be at least half the price and even rearranged having in mind what times you can buy the cheaper ships and what you can achieve with them.