DLC : Free vs Paid for.

The problem comes when you want to play with someone that has not the feature dlc and dont want to buy it.

Then I don't play with them. Just find others.

E:D is for me mostly a solo game anyway.

Payed DLCs are a great way of providing funding for development and - at the same time - encourage developers to listen to the needs of the community. Much similar like you pay software maintenance / subscription for other products.
I would even pay for a multi-screen DLC for example, even though I have already Beta Premium.
 
The person with the DLC can leave his ship to do repairs, you can't, which would be incredibly awkward.

You can still have an auto repair module equipped, or you can jury-rig your modules and restart your ship systems.

Your friend gets boarded, you can't do anything about it.

Uhh... can you still shoot the helplessly docked pirate vessel that is currently boarding your friend to pieces? Cutting off the assailants' escape route as well as their source for reinforcements? Because I would do that... IF my assaulted friend asked me to. Because it could be risky for his vessel, too... but then again... anything is better than losing a ship to pirates.

Planetary landing, on the other hand, could have its downsides as well. Entering an atmospphere would increase your repair bill... taking off from a planetary surface, trying to escape it's gravity well would cost you significant amounts of fuel (at least it should)... I really hope they add that slight nod to realism and think of a gameplay element to balance that extra cost... special discounts or better contacts on planetary starports, for instance...
 
No, but imagine this. You're in Wing. You happen to be flying a Type 9. You don't have the DLC, so you can't get boarded. That Cobra escort you hired, on the other hand, can.

Which would be the priority vessel to board? And what can the Type 9, in this particular scenario, do?
 
The problem comes when you want to play with someone that has not the feature dlc and dont want to buy it.

You still can play together, you just can not access planets together.
That simply is what it is.

To be honest I cannot believe that someone who loves this game would not want to be able to experience planetary landings. It will be an awesome new dimension. It will be spectacular.
It just does not happen. If you love this game, you will buy that expansion. If you do not love this game you won't be playing it anymore anyway when planetary landings are implemented.
By the time planetary landings are in this game many features will have been fleshed out. Even many of the impatient cynics, instant gratificationists, and nay sayers will have returned.
 
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The real question would be if thousands of early backers get their £35 back from the lifetime expansion pass.

Exactly this. I paid for the LEP, I expect to receive its benefits. Otherwise refund. I've mentioned this before, but I wouldn't be surprised if FD renege on the LEP.
 
No, but imagine this. You're in Wing. You happen to be flying a Type 9. You don't have the DLC, so you can't get boarded. That Cobra escort you hired, on the other hand, can.

Which would be the priority vessel to board? And what can the Type 9, in this particular scenario, do?
I'd imagine that if this specific scenario should happen, you can be boarded without pay-DLC but you can't board anyone yourself.
 
You still can play together, you just can not access planets together.
That simply is what it is.

To be honest I cannot believe that someone who loves this game would not want to be able to experience planetary landings. It will be an awesome new dimension. It will be spectacular.
I just does not happen. If you love this game, you will buy that expansion. If you do not love this game you won't be playing it anymore when planetary landings are implemented anyway.
By the time planetary landings are in this game many features will have been fleshed out. Even many of the impatient cynics, instant gratificationists, and nay sayers will have returned.


Planetary landing isn't the only planend DLC, so it's not quite that simple. In terms of "buying the expansion because you love the game"- individual financial status isn't quite so simple either.

I understand that a large chunk of ED's player-base are nostalgia driven, middle-aged men, in which are very likely to have some sort of occupation, this unfortunately doesn't apply to everyone. While I, myself, would probably be able to afford it, I have friends that likely wouldn't be able to, and I'd much prefer to share the majority of my experience with them than do it on my own.

If they end up solving the issue through separating the players (more so then they are already) in various instances, and considering just how many star systems there are, wouldn't that significantly decrease your chances of meeting a player?

Especially if there, for an example, are 5 different DLC, and in order to meet other players, they'll have to have the exact same DLC as you. If you have the walking-inside-your-ship expansion, and some other obscure DLC, while your friend only has the one, does this mean that you won't be able to play with them?
 
I may be naive, but here's my thought:

People who still play the game when dlc is released won't be able to hand over money fast enough.

Those who don't play anymore? Well they aren't causing problems for compatability :) , and some might even rejoin to check it out.

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individual financial status isn't quite so simple

True. This complicates things. But, FD are a business, so I don't expect these to be free. As long as people can continue to play the game they already paid for, I think FD's responsibilities are fulfilled.
 
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I'd imagine that if this specific scenario should happen, you can be boarded without pay-DLC but you can't board anyone yourself.

How would that work? Boarding would presumably be part of the walking-inside-your-ship update, but if you don't have that expansion and, as a result, can't ever move from your cockpit; how will you defend yourself- or do anything at all- against the boarders?

Besides that particular flaw, it seems incredibly unfair.
 
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No, but imagine this. You're in Wing. You happen to be flying a Type 9. You don't have the DLC, so you can't get boarded. That Cobra escort you hired, on the other hand, can.

Which would be the priority vessel to board? And what can the Type 9, in this particular scenario, do?

Easy:

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No, but imagine this. You're in Wing. You happen to be flying a Type 9. You don't have the DLC, so you can't get boarded. That Cobra escort you hired, on the other hand, can.

Which would be the priority vessel to board? And what can the Type 9, in this particular scenario, do?

Nuke it from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)

besides, a Type 9 pilot can pay the Cobra's insurance
 
I understand that a large chunk of ED's player-base are nostalgia driven, middle-aged men, in which are very likely to have some sort of occupation, this unfortunately doesn't apply to everyone. While I, myself, would probably be able to afford it, I have friends that likely wouldn't be able to, and I'd much prefer to share the majority of my experience with them than do it on my own.

I understand your problem. But simply put: gaming costs money. There is nothing anybody can do about it. ED is a huge project. FD need to generate revenue to be able to develop this incredible game. Expansions are a reasonable way to do that .
If some of your friends can not afford to buy an expansion than that is what it is. That is life. Some people can afford stuff, others can not. Perhaps together you can find creative ways to be able to get these expansions?

If they end up solving the issue through separating the players (more so then they are already) in various instances, and considering just how many star systems there are, wouldn't that significantly decrease your chances of meeting a player?

Especially if there, for an example, are 5 different DLC, and in order to meet other players, they'll have to have the exact same DLC as you. If you have the walking-inside-your-ship expansion, and some other obscure DLC, while your friend only has the one, does this mean that you won't be able to play with them?


If I were FD I would try to implement the DLC in a different way. I think everybody should be able to play the basic game together. But there will be certain activities you will not be able to partake in if you do not have that specific expansion. Two friends can form a wing for example and do some bounty hunting together, but only the one with the planetary landing expansion will be able to land on a planet. The other one will have to dock with an orbiting station and wait for the other player to go off planet again. This might even happen when both players have the planetary landing expansion, but one of them does not have atmospheric shields equipped.
The same is true of other expansions I guess. Someone who does not have the boarding expansion should not be able to get boarded or board other ships himself. But he still can be in a wing with players who do have those expansions and do bounty hunting with them, or pirating. He will have to be on overwatch while his friends do the boarding.
I think this will work just fine. There are many ways to minimize the splitting up of the players. We can only wait and see what FD will come up with.
 
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Well my friend can park his ship and take the co pilot seat while I go to the dlc worlds win win

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I wasn't there in bet phase..but I am thinking about supporting frontier by buying decals...hoodies And t-shirts are too expensive!
I can find them nice high quality cheap supplier from Pakistan hehe
 
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It's just the same as when you're out having a good time with your friends, and they suddenly 'disappear' into that fancy night club you're too cheap to pay entrance for... You can still have a good time -alone- at the pub, their time will just be a little better.

Oi! That's how I met my wife, now we have a family and kid!
 
I backed at the level that gets me lifetime expansion but the people i play with didn't, I'm confident that they will buy the expansions if they turn out to be worthwhile from a gaming perspective. If they are just fluff (and I consider walking round stations to be superflous tbh) then I doubt they will just for the sake of supporting Frontier.

So basically I'm saying this will only be a problem if there is genuine gameplay reasons to purchase the DLC and we simply don't know if thats the case yet
 
Oi! That's how I met my wife, now we have a family and kid!
I guess I should have picked a different example. Let's say your friends went to the pub, but you stayed at home drinking cheap liquor from a brown bag.
Then you wouldn't have met your wife! Hence - buy DLC :)

(quite relevant in my country, where 0,4 liter of beer cost £7 on a pub)
 

The game needs to generate revenue to continue yielding quality development, and game enhancing updates like the one we just got. DLC being free is not conducive to that.

If people are gated behind DLC walls, then its just tough. Happens in other games, i don't see why this one is any different just because it is more immersive than your average game.

People should get their hand in their pocket for a game they like enough to play beyond the basic game.
 
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