Newcomer / Intro Oh so this is "being Griefed"

[Crazy Jedi]

I'd heard the phrase "being griefed" before but had not experienced it before until Friday night.
My sorry tale started with me in my happy little Sidewinder flitting about in the Alrai sector running light freight for small bucks but finally amassing over 100 000cr. Nice one! I thought and then elected to find somewhere selling an Adder so that I may upgrade to a new ship

I asked on this ere forum "where do I buy an Adder?" and was helpfully advised that Eravate is the closest Known system to me, that sold Adders.
That's a long hike in my stock spec Sidewinder

I checked my map and double checked that I had refueling points along the way and off I went.
I jumped through several sparse systems and explored and gathered data as I went until I reached my first refueling stop in LWEN..........
As I dropped out of FSD I was attacked by a commander "Butt-Head" (name has been changed to protect the guilty). I flipped a couple of turns and boosted like crazy, but his ubber weapons tore down my shields in three shots and destroyed my poor ship five seconds later...

I respawned and rechecked my map - nope I was going to have to go through LWEN to refuel. so I set off again. As I drop out of FSD I plot for the closest space station and am immediately set upon by commander Butt-head again (no coms again) this time i hold him off for long enough to admire his nice shiny Vulture before succumbing to his weapons.

I respawned, dumped in to solo and flew through LWEN without incident.

I was left fairly annoyed because I had no cargo and no bounty so the only benefit he had was a smug grin

PVP is a part of the game yes but a VULTURE against a stock sidewinder?????????????????
I like a good scrap as much as the next guy and I gave a Cobra a run for his money just yesterday which was fun even though I eventually lost out.
But against commander Butt-head I had absolutely no chance and he was just out to bully and annoy
I this kind of crappy sportsmanship really necessary ??

I was very grumpy after that as it soured my evening
PS I found my adder at FREY half way to Eravate
Just thought I'd share my frustrations as well as my fun

 

[Alec Turner]

You might want to consider joining the Mobius PVE group. I like the idea of there being other players around but not when they're going to be Butt Heads. Basically if I'm playing at peak times then I tend to play in the Mobius group and if I'm playing off-peak then I tend to risk Open.

They've even got their own website & forum: http://elitepve.com/

 

[affel]

I wouldnt be quite as drastic to go private because of one griefer.

I play since the first official version was out - always in open - and have yet to have a similar experience, despite hanging around in quite frequented systems (especially busy since 1.2).
so... bad luck in this case. minimal damage. could be worse.

they must not win by submitting and having regular player beings pushed to solo or private.

 

[Crazy Jedi]

Cheers Dude!

I was considering joining a group after that un-fun experience.

As you play open and group how much of a difference is there in actual play? I don't mind a bit of genuine peril such as someone playing as an actual pirate and demanding my wares but not the Butt-head approach of just toast all the little ships

 

[Ophion]

I know that CMDR "Butt-Head" has every right to play that way in this game but I'll never understand it. I think it's just mean and sad.

 

[charognard]

I m sorry OP, but it s your fault, and you have many tools in your pocket to avoid it...

1 - Why the hell are you asking for buying a ship like an Adder on the forum ??? It must be sold in 10000 stations evrey where into the galaxy... someone lead you in Eravate, begginer system know in the entire galaxy as a pirate and murderer place...
2 - A murderer have kill you, you respawn, why are you coming back ??? I can't understand... I have millions, big ships, but, if i m alone and find someone killing me in a sector, i come back if i want fight again for revenge, if i can't, i move away !
3 - when i m playing murderer role, i m killing all guys i can, and if they re coming back, i think they re just liking dying and are masochist.

Conclusion :
1 - The solo/ group way, is really counter productive in my perspective
2 - Stop asking think basic like :where to buy X ship, where to buy Y module... You can find all in thousand systems, and you ll not lead into risky places...

 

[Kuroshio]

Sorry to hear about that. I can't stand bambi killers.

Maybe I should give the newcomer protection wing idea another try.

 

[Dommarraa]

Thats what happens when there are no consequences for random acts of violence. Until such time as FD implement something to discorage such acts (e.g. paying for your own bounty), then I will be a happy member of Mobius.

It really does surprise me that this wasnt one of the very first things "balanced".

 

[Herik]

I wouldnt be quite as drastic to go private because of one griefer.

I play since the first official version was out - always in open - and have yet to have a similar experience, despite hanging around in quite frequented systems (especially busy since 1.2).
so... bad luck in this case. minimal damage. could be worse.

they must not win by submitting and having regular player beings pushed to solo or private.

Ahh, the inevitable; 'Ive' never been griefed' bit. Tsk,tisk.

 

[krysohmyz]

I'm sorry to hear that, and I definitely agree that it is inappropriate and speaks volumes about CMDR Butt-Head's morals.

BUT. He is only one and galaxy is big. In my whole career I met three people like him and that's all. Rest of the people I met in this game was absolutely amazing. Some do a quality roleplay and I'm up for that. Some just want to chat to kill the time while supercruising. Some are up for a fair fight. Altogether this game generally convinced me there is good in people.

Back on topic. A wise quote I like to use is. Smart people do mistakes, but only witless repeat them in blind hope that results will be different the next time. If you meet a griefer, simply don't visit that system again, for some time. He has no way to track you and only can "grief" you if you let him.

And one more thing. You can prevent being interdicted, if you're vigilant and see the attacker's move. Sidey is pretty agile in SC. If you see a bigger ship trying to interdict you, simply stop and point your nose at them. Then just keep pointing at them as they try to get behind you. It won't be long before they start to swear at you and eventually go after their business.

 

[Alec Turner]

Cheers Dude!

I was considering joining a group after that un-fun experience.

As you play open and group how much of a difference is there in actual play? I don't mind a bit of genuine peril such as someone playing as an actual pirate and demanding my wares but not the Butt-head approach of just toast all the little ships

The only difference I notice when I'm in the private Mobius group is that there are less players around (unsurprising as they have around 5000 members whereas there are well over 400,000 Elite players these days who could all theoretically be playing in Open at any one time).

However, since the Mobius group has a rule about not attacking other players unless it's in a conflict zone, there's a big perceived difference (which is both good and bad). You're not going to get jumped by a super tooled up Butt Head who's going to destroy you in 10 seconds flat but on the other hand, nor are you going to get jumped by a player/pirate who engages with you, makes the game more exciting/dangerous and who you may even beat in fair and extremely enjoyable combat. You will get interdicted by NPCs, exactly as in Open, but that's you're only real danger, which can be a bit predictable. So generally I suppose the game just feels a bit safer (good and bad).

You can still chat with players, team up with them in Wings, etc and chances are, because of the nature of the group, they'll mostly all be friendly but, given the numbers, these encounters will be far fewer (in my experience).

Basically I still prefer Open but sometimes I just want to be able to do my thing (e.g. trade rares in and out of Leesti) without being hassled. On these occasions Solo mode feels like a total cop-out to me so a group like Mobius is perfect.

P.S. I'm really not that familiar with the Mobius group - hopefully one of its founders will chip in here and tell you a bit more about it.

 

[affel]

Ahh, the inevitable; 'Ive' never been griefed' bit. Tsk,tisk.

and that is .. wrong? .. a lie? ... a defense of the griefer?
no to all.

all it is saying is: it is about chance.
in that case, the guy was unlucky. consequence: abandon ship and go solo/private... i dunno. seems a bit of an overreaction to something that is not a common occurrence. you do not stop driving your car because someone was texting while driving, didnt see you breaking, and bumped into your rear.

 

[Herik]

I wouldnt be quite as drastic to go private because of one griefer.

I play since the first official version was out - always in open - and have yet to have a similar experience, despite hanging around in quite frequented systems (especially busy since 1.2).
so... bad luck in this case. minimal damage. could be worse.

they must not win by submitting and having regular player beings pushed to solo or private.

Well of course Affel, that is just the way the game is built; you either submit, run away, drop some cargo, or get destroyed. Oh and stick to systems that are not 'Anarchy'. And of course this will force newcomers to Solo and the PvE groups. And your left with Less easy targets in Open.

 

[willowfan]

Thats what happens when there are no consequences for random acts of violence. Until such time as FD implement something to discorage such acts (e.g. paying for your own bounty), then I will be a happy member of Mobius.

It really does surprise me that this wasnt one of the very first things "balanced".

This /\

It's far too easy for these numpties to, literally, get away with murder over and over and over again with trivial consequences.

Make the penalty for murder in the tens/hundreds of thousands. Make the bounty non payable by the player and make system authority have hunt/destroy with extreme prejudice reactions (hell if 400CR makes you public enemy No.1... surely a bounty of 1M should have them swarming like bears round a honeypot).

In other words make a player killer play style have an element of extreme, non relenting risk.

 

[gary.brain]

What about Ignore list, I am not sure if its a bottom of the list thing or they are completely removed from the join matchmaking system... Its never been clear.

 

[Evyl Minkey]

GJ on not letting it put you off too much. Some people just have no redeeming features.

On the plus side it seems you learnt how to find an alternative location for your goal and that will come in useful. Hopefully he will stick around and in a few months you will get the chance to repay him (preferably just as he is trying to achieve something).

 

[Universal Evil]

This /\

It's far too easy for these numpties to, literally, get away with murder over and over and over again with trivial consequences.

Make the penalty for murder in the tens/hundreds of thousands. Make the bounty non payable by the player and make system authority have hunt/destroy with extreme prejudice reactions (hell if 400CR makes you public enemy No.1... surely a bounty of 1M should have them swarming like bears round a honeypot).

In other words make a player killer play style have an element of extreme, non relenting risk.

This can easily be done, just put your own bounty on that player right here on the forum and promise to give a payload of like 100T of paladium to the one killing the "buthead" this bounty "buthead" cannot pay off.... ofcouse you need to give a real cmdr name and not just call him/her butheads....

 

[Robert Maynard]

This can easily be done, just put your own bounty on that player right here on the forum and promise to give a payload of like 100T of paladium to the one killing the "buthead" this bounty "buthead" cannot pay off....

Not without a warning or infraction for naming and shaming and getting the post deleted you can't....

 

[Crazy Jedi]

I m sorry OP, but it s your fault, and you have many tools in your pocket to avoid it...

1 - Why the hell are you asking for buying a ship like an Adder on the forum ??? It must be sold in 10000 stations evrey where into the galaxy... someone lead you in Eravate, begginer system know in the entire galaxy as a pirate and murderer place...
2 - A murderer have kill you, you respawn, why are you coming back ??? I can't understand... I have millions, big ships, but, if i m alone and find someone killing me in a sector, i come back if i want fight again for revenge, if i can't, i move away !
3 - when i m playing murderer role, i m killing all guys i can, and if they re coming back, i think they re just liking dying and are masochist.

Conclusion :
1 - The solo/ group way, is really counter productive in my perspective
2 - Stop asking think basic like :where to buy X ship, where to buy Y module... You can find all in thousand systems, and you ll not lead into risky places...

Yeah not sure this was terribly helpful.....

1. I asked on this forum where to buy an adder because I couldn't find one anywhere near my current location. If you had read my (admittedly lengthy) post you'd also know that I was not being destroyed in Eravate it was Lwen and excuse my lack of knowledge as to which is a dangerous system but I am relatively new.

2. I had to go through Lwen to refuel as my Sidewinder had a short jump range and small fuel tank so it couldn't be easily avoided. I went back again after the first time because I thought it was a random idiot being an idiot and he'd have moved on after a little while, but no....
Unfortunately I do not have millions and big ships so I can't brag about it like you just did and I have difficulties beating someone who can destroy me in half a dozen hits.

3. No I'm not a masochist who likes dying I am just going from point A to point B with limited resources. If you are "playing murderer role" and "killing all guys" YOU ARE COMMANDER BUTT-HEAD!

Conclusion

1. Why is solo/private group counterproductive and who to? Only commander Butt-head as far as I can tell

2. If to you it appears that I am asking basic questions I'm terribly sorry but to me and the people who took the time to help me out and advise me it seemed perfectly relevant.
Adders may be available in thousands of systems but unfortunately non of those systems were within 41ly's of me

 

[charognard]

Sorry, you must find your limits ! Space is dangerous, in this sector there is a murderer, he has kill you one time, wth are you coming back ??? try to find another way, go in another place if you can't, try to escape him in SC, but don't be angy cause you die by your fault. And switching in solo is just the easy way to avoid danger. If you can't fight or win just run away !