Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[Kiltak]

I do agree that if some one is in open playthey should not be allowed to jump out of the game to avoid combat with other players. That to me is a cheap tactic one I'd never use.

I will also agree that what players do in solo should not effect what happens in open play. However I see no reason why all credits and ships a player makes in solo should not be transfered in to open play.

If I earn enough to gey best ship in the game and deck it out its not going to give me an advantage in open play one way or another. Its my skills as a pilot that will determine if I have the advantage or not.

I wont speak for every one but I work better in groups then I do alone. This game isnt designed will to promote lots of team work. It takes to long to get to varous parts of the galaxy. So hooking up with friends and guild members ebers is a task all unto it self.

I think large base ships that could hop around the galaxy would make for connecting friends and guild memmbers together. It would also incress the chances of wars and control of systems between guilds. This might make open play more appealing.

The ability to allow players to but and trade from other players would also help.

All these things could incress the odds of getting players in to open play. The game just needs some tweaking here and there.

 

[Norwyn]

So many people painfully obsessed with how others are playing their game. Has it occurred to any of you that maybe the folks playing Solo just don't want you in their universe? That it's not fear, or a lack of skills or sense of adventure etc. you are just totally irrelevant to their enjoyment of the ED universe. Since they are apparently vitally important to yours then I'm guessing that thought hasn't entered your head at all.
Debate all you want, there are people playing all 3 modes because that is what they want from the game and you will not change this. Regardless of the pompous conceit evident in this thread no one is better or worse than the other since we all paid for our copies and play within the rules FD have laid out for this universe. Do you really get so little out of your own game that you have to believe it's being ruined by which domain a complete stranger chooses to play in?
Wow....seriously just a big sad 'wow'.

If you don't want us to your universe, why should you be able to affect us and our universe from your universe? why do you have to even have option to crisscross between? If you don't want us to your universe, why do you have been given option to warp from your universe to ours with your pimped out python or anaconda? Nobody cares if you want to play solo. Sure, go ahead. That is not the problem here. It becomes problem when you pretty much abuse it. I'd compare it to combat logging level of system abuse.

 

[Bigcheese]

If you don't want us to your universe, why should you be able to affect us and our universe from your universe? why do you have to even have option to crisscross between? If you don't want us to your universe, why do you have been given option to warp from your universe to ours with your pimped out python or anaconda? Nobody cares if you want to play solo. Sure, go ahead. That is not the problem here. It becomes problem when you pretty much abuse it. I'd compare it to combat logging level of system abuse.

From a functionality standpoint it's obvious why the current setup is lame. You really can cheese the game by going solo and it trivializes the game's own mechanics. Keep in mind you are up against people with a strong bias against pvp, as evident from some of the stranger comments. They don't even realize that it's not just a pvp issue, their rage blinds them. All forms of open play are shallower as a result of this and it really is a shame.

 

[Hrafgeir]

The solo player with the pimped out python coming after the honest to god open players exist only in the wonderful world of psychological projection.

Not only that, but the dude who predominantly lurks in solo is likely to get his ass handed to him on a plate when he crosses into open to take on experienced pvp'ers, big ship or not.

 

[Ghost5550]

The problem we all see is that what you do in game impacts my game while you ain't in it. Has that occurred to you? There is no right or wrong here, there is only FD and their design choice and people may like those or not but that doesn't give you the right to belittle people.
Next time just post your contempt in solo mode please !

How does someone playing in solo mode effect your game? I don't even get why solo and open players are arguing about this.

 

[Norwyn]

Not only that, but the dude who predominantly lurks in solo is likely to get his ass handed to him on a plate when he crosses into open to take on experienced pvp'ers, big ship or not.

As if they cannot learn ...

 

[Ghost5550]

From a functionality standpoint it's obvious why the current setup is lame. You really can cheese the game by going solo and it trivializes the game's own mechanics. Keep in mind you are up against people with a strong bias against pvp, as evident from some of the stranger comments. They don't even realize that it's not just a pvp issue, their rage blinds them. All forms of open play are shallower as a result of this and it really is a shame.

I for one have a strong bias against PVP. When I play Star Wars: The Old Republic I only PVE. I tried PVPing a couple of times and I didn't like it. I don't mind playing with others as long as they can't attack me out of the blue. If it wasn't for Elite: Dangerous having solo play I would have never bought the game. I don't get why people are arguing about solo vs open play. Why should it matter what mode someone else plays?

 

[Lenroc elisav]

How does someone playing in solo mode effect your game? I don't even get why solo and open players are arguing about this.

Affects the background simulator, affects community goals, affects markets. His actions impact the Galaxy while he is invisible. I'll be honest here and admit I play solo too but that is of no importance as the issue remains, you can't have any meta-game as long as all modes share the same Galaxy.

I for one have a strong bias against PVP. When I play Star Wars: The Old Republic I only PVE. I tried PVPing a couple of times and I didn't like it. I don't mind playing with others as long as they can't attack me out of the blue. If it wasn't for Elite: Dangerous having solo play I would have never bought the game. I don't get why people are arguing about solo vs open play. Why should it matter what mode someone else plays?

I don't see many that argue that solo shouldn't exist. Damn, I'll be sad if that happens but what was said by many is that solo&coop should have a separate server/galaxy then open.

 

[Norwyn]

How does someone playing in solo mode effect your game? I don't even get why solo and open players are arguing about this.

If you trade in solo, it affects open economy. For example, if players blockade system X to affect it's state, traders can just go to Solo and go right past the blockade. It's all pretty much one sandbox, it's just that players can magically isolate themselves from others to make money (and affect the sandbox) in safe without possibility of PVP, and some that are not complete PVE players can abuse it so that they bring their pimped out ships they gained in safe solo trading to Open... You get it?

 

[Delwin]

I dont participate in Community Goal ....
Why ?
Becouse the result is ALWAYS determined by the players solo and PvE group.

PvE groups are I-Win buttons in combat zones. It is very unfair allowing to play in solo or pve in global community goals where we have faction vs faction and players decide who win.

I play in open mode, fight with everyone, npc or commanders, often this is 1vs2 or 2vs3, sometimes i die and loose my ship. I am fighting, gaining a points for my faction.. it is hard but satisfactioning and there is a lot of FUN, and ... wait... there is some group of people who taking down every npc with their gimballed multicannons, much faster than me, because they 'do not waste a time to fight with cmdrs', drinking a tea with shooting, in solo and pve, and me and my faction do not have chances to complete community goal and win the war.

This is completely ridiculous and nonsense.

Example: Lugh.

Another example - transport community goal - there is no option to make a blockade in system for transport sources in other faction... because transporters will go to pve or solo...

No one has to agree with that but it does not change the fact that this is the truth.

and... ban is not a form of discussion.

 

[Ghost5550]

If you trade in solo, it affects open economy. For example, if players blockade system X to affect it's state, traders can just go to Solo and go right past the blockade. It's all pretty much one sandbox, it's just that players can magically isolate themselves from others to make money (and affect the sandbox) in safe without possibility of PVP, and some that are not complete PVE players can abuse it so that they bring their pimped out ships they gained in safe solo trading to Open... You get it?

Yeah they should be completely separate modes. I don't think its right though how some players on both sides are getting angry at one another for how they choose to play.

 

[Kaeldian]

I think this entire argument is moot as long as they are continuing to use the P2P matchmaking with a limit on the number of players that will be matched to the same instance of the galaxy.

Naval blockade? People outside your instance aren't going to run into it.
Trying to fight a community goal? No guarantee you will be matched to the people you are trying to fight.

If this was a server-client setup where we we would actually see everybody in the area (like Eve), these last few remarks would have merit. But right now, they're just silly given the whole Network architecture is more or less a patchwork of P2P connections that is going to let many people slip through your fingers anyway.

 

[CMDR Nick]

'no matter how 'unique' the thread creator may think their thread is.'

I didn't understand this

 

[Yaffle]

'no matter how 'unique' the thread creator may think their thread is.'

I didn't understand this

I meant that we get lots of duplicate threads on this topic, and we merge them here. Often the thread creator tries to make out it was a new take on the argument; in other words the post was unique and not a duplicate, hence it should not have been merged despite it being the same old tropes we see in here.

 

[Glock_N_Load]

Yeah they should be completely separate modes. I don't think its right though how some players on both sides are getting angry at one another for how they choose to play.

The majority of open players don't want separate modes. Time and time again in this forum you hear talk of ways to get more people to play open. To the point of penalizing people for playing in solo/group mode. Wings was one hope for them but it didn't work out as well as they thought it would. Making trading less profitable in solo was another. How many traders in open? Not many. Open is for Wings and Pirates, the cannon fodder for both are traders. They need traders but traders don't need them. If u are interdicted as a trader what do u gain(mostly lose credits from hull damage, loss of cargo.....etc) but the interdictor loses nothing but could gain a lot. In wings u can be interdicted 3 or 4 times in one trip and again u gain nothing but probably lose credits. If open wants it by themselves let the first DLC give it to them. They want it let them pay for it. At least they will get what they pay for, not like us(solo).

 

[Soulstain]

If you trade in solo, it affects open economy. For example, if players blockade system X to affect it's state, traders can just go to Solo and go right past the blockade. It's all pretty much one sandbox, it's just that players can magically isolate themselves from others to make money (and affect the sandbox) in safe without possibility of PVP, and some that are not complete PVE players can abuse it so that they bring their pimped out ships they gained in safe solo trading to Open... You get it?

Umm, you do realize you are playing in a p2p instance right? There are roughly 400,000 copies of ED sold and 32 player instances. You are not blockading anyone....lol. All those 400,000 people are sneaking right past you whether you are in group, solo or open. That's why this argument is worthless and why FD never encouraged this type of play. You would need one huge server like Eve.

 

[Glock_N_Load]

Umm, you do realize you are playing in a p2p instance right? There are roughly 400,000 copies of ED sold and 32 player instances. You are not blockading anyone....lol. All those 400,000 people are sneaking right past you whether you are in group, solo or open. That's why this argument is worthless and why FD never encouraged this type of play. You would need one huge server like Eve.

First intelligent thing said. I have never thought of that. Bravo. That will take awhile for it to sink in to the open players

 

[Sim Maker]

Would there be merit in setting up some serious testing. Just in the interests of data? Maybe the DEVs or MODs could set up a side project....
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General Open vs Solo? Who cares.........but when it comes to these competative community goals, it would be intresting to see some honest stats from multiple sources on just how much "easier" solo/open is than the other.......
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It is a shame to see the community get torn up like this. Maybe have different "Winners" or score tables for open/solo............? Winner Open hauled 10000t - Winner Solo hauled 20000t ....or somat like that......

 

[OldSalt]

I have just had PvP in the Mobius server (CMDR <snip>) and it was just as pointless as in open if you don't want to play the game. Python in a wing of two with another Python, RES, collecting a few bounties but ended up vs my A spec Cobra after a truly pathetic attempt at Piracy, really fella, Captain Jack would have cried and Bluebeard would have Keel-hauled you. I was wrestling with trying to get my head round the new coms and Cmdr R opened up. I could have boosted round the back of you and opened up with dual beams + missiles, but in a PvE group just walking away and leaving you with a nice bounty on your head (and Knowing that there was nothing you could do about it in your very expensive ship) seemed like the appropriate thing to do.

I learned two things- never assume you are safe whatever mode you are playing and draw a line through ever wanting a Python, what a flaccid, fat old tub. If I had been in open would it have been any different, I don't think so.

BTW, you cost me 400Cr in repairs and I will look to collect (plus interest) if I catch you in open.

To those who treat open like the Holy Grail, get a grip, its the same game whichever way you play it.

 

[Dave1235]

I am absolutely certain that without any tweaking I already have the type of game that I want. I will stay in group as long as I like.

Cheers, Phos.

You are not alone, some people did a bit of research before they bought the game, some did not, I had never heard of twitch, google & youtube I had used a few times before .

I have still not had anyone answer a question I have asked a few times, why does anyone they feel the need, or think they have the right to change the game I bought, after researching it a little before I bought it, because they did not.

I will say this again too, not researching a game before you buy it is a problem with the buyer, not the game.