Plea to FDEV - add more variations to alien life forms, please.

Here is my suggestion to add more variations to alien life forms that can be found in the Milky way. We are currently limited to carbon-water and carbon-ammonia biochemistries, which is reasonable because life based on carbon and water/ammonia looks like the most probable one (see: "Carbon chauvinism"). But in the same time, this doesn't mean that other options are impossible. Yes, we think that the chances for vastly different biochemistry to arise are considerably smaller, or perhaps minuscule, but the jury is still out on this so to speak, and it will be out for a long time to come. We have a lot to learn.

In this sense, worlds I am proposing should be indeed a very rare sight to see (some more, some less). Accordingly, discovery of such unusual phenomena shoud return pretty big pile of cash to lucky explorer (this is not the main point, though).

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Just to add a few notes.

I've spent quite some time researching into this matter and I must admit that I was struggling to understand large portion of what was written. Perhaps things could have been slightly easier for me if I actually payed attention on my chemistry classes ;). But, to my relief, I found out that even the eminent experts readily admit that we simply do not know enough to draw any definite conclusion. Genesis and evolution of life is extremely tough subject - there are too many factors and uncertainties to take into account. Thus, lot of speculations and guesses are going on in academic circles, and debates are pretty lively.

Existence of life on neutron stars, or living plasma clouds are surely among the weirder possibilities. Not the weirdest, though - imagine creatures made of dark matter (Photino Birds from the Xeelee sequence by Stephen Baxter for example), sentient planets (novel "Solaris" by Stanislaw Lem, there are two movies as well), or... I don't know, multidimensional beings travelling through multiverses, etc. I thought that some of this might be a bit too much of a stretch -and almost certainly beyound the human scope- so I skipped that.

Interesting thing is that, due to our limited experience, we cannot completely write off anything. We just don't know enough - universe is incredibly huge playground and we're barely starting to scratch its surface.

Also, my apologies to chemists and (astro)biologists among you: please, don't be too harsh with critics. I did my best to assemble bits and pieces scattered around and to compile that into something based on scientific investigations and as such, relatively viable (key word - relatively). Oh, and easy to read - I left out whole bunch of numbers, graphs and notes to avoid unnecessary clutter. After all, it's just a mere proposal for a game - not a doctorate :)
 
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To tell the truth, all pictures shown in the table are taken in ED, I've just slightly altered colours for a few.
 
Don't think living plasma clouds on Neutron stars sound very likely. But I totally agree that if chemistry allows it, there should be a chance to see it. It's a large hugenormous galaxy, after all.
 
Don't think living plasma clouds on Neutron stars sound very likely. But I totally agree that if chemistry allows it, there should be a chance to see it. It's a large hugenormous galaxy, after all.

Plasma based interstellar super-organisms and ultra tiny nuclear-based organisms thriving on, or just below the surface of the neutron star are supposed to be two (very) different life forms ;)

Anyway. Yeah, most, if not all, of the above suggested combinations are definitely less likely (MUCH less likely) to occur than carbon-water life on Earth-like planets: hence the proposed scarcity of such findings in ED. Important thing here is to emphasize that every single example in my table is... yes, quite stretched (more or less), but theoretically possible.

We are still struggling to understand the genesis and evolution of life on our own planet. We have pretty good idea, but lots of bits and pieces are still missing. And as you said, universe is so huge and poorly known that we cannot rule out anything, yet. Who knows what we're going to find once we manage to drill through the thick ice sheet and deploy submarine probe into the oceans of Europa. Or the Titan's methane lakes. Or to slowly drift through the layers of Jupiter's or Saturn's atmosphere - take a look at this stunning Carl Sagan's concept:

[video=youtube;uakLB7Eni2E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uakLB7Eni2E[/video]

Maybe there's nothing there. Or there is something which will radically change our way of thinking about the life in universe. We'll learn... eventually.

In the meantime, we could use some of the examples presented in my little research to add some spice to the Elite's universe :)
 
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Great stuff- hope to be able to scoop some of that oozy life up someday for a tidy profit.

Awhile ago I really got into the speculative biology stuff, such an exciting road for ED to be going down if you ask me.


Some related links...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gt2-s3WAI

https://canopy.uc.edu/bbcswebdav/use...snduterus.html

http://www.planetfuraha.org/

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_.../forum/236074/

https://sites.google.com/site/projectnereus/home

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/f...h-planets.html

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...h-like-planets

http://www.amazon.com/Evolving-Alien.../dp/0091879272


edit: sorry, most of those links appear to be dead now... :(
 
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I suggest those forms of exotic alien life should be even rarer than ammonia worlds and earthlikes and have special scientific value, represented in the price you get for them from Interstellar Cartographics, which should be roughly double the amount an Ammonia world pays.
 
@Ekar
Thanks mate, those few links that still work were very interesting.

@Sirocco
Yeah, that's the idea: rare life which (besides the assumed excitement for finding something so unusual), should reward explorers a lot more than Earth-like planets. Because of the extraordinary scientific value.

But then again, perhaps some of those life forms could evolve beyound the level of simple microorganisms and become second/third... alien civilization in game, after the Thargoids. Iirc, FDEV said that they probably won't stop on them.
 
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Shameless bump? Not really :) It's just that I've updated OP with few more variations to alien life forms.

I apologize for really tiny fonts in the table: apparently, forum puts some sort of hard limit to picture size. There is a direct link below which -I hope- will help.
 
Hey, just saw this! Got here through your (extremely nice) sig. My wife is waiting for us to watch star trek, so I'll come back and edit this post with my extremely agreeable thoughts later on
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Good stuff varrag!
 
11 of 12 suggested new forms of life are completely unrealistic because the chemistry wouldn't work. Only the icy world with the hydrothermally supported aquatic life is believeable.
 
11 of 12 suggested new forms of life are completely unrealistic because the chemistry wouldn't work. Only the icy world with the hydrothermally supported aquatic life is believeable.

Why so rigid? :)

I think it would be more fair to say that it's much less likely for certain biochemistries to arise, than to write them off completely. Don't get me wrong - I am carbon chauvinist myself, and I agree that there are certain problems with some/most of the combinations. On the other hand, we shouldn't pretend that we know everything about the universe and genesis of life, and that we can accurately predict all possible scenarios where life may, or may not, occur and thrive. I mean, we are still getting surprised by extremophiles found down here on our own planet, so who is to say that it's completely impossible that for example, some form of silicon based life exists somewhere out there?
 
Why so rigid? :)

I think it would be more fair to say that it's much less likely for certain biochemistries to arise, than to write them off completely. Don't get me wrong - I am carbon chauvinist myself, and I agree that there are certain problems with some/most of the combinations. On the other hand, we shouldn't pretend that we know everything about the universe and genesis of life, and that we can accurately predict all possible scenarios where life may, or may not, occur and thrive. I mean, we are still getting surprised by extremophiles found down here on our own planet, so who is to say that it's completely impossible that for example, some form of silicon based life exists somewhere out there?
I agree that there might be life under weirder conditions out there than we can currently imagine, but we know enough about chemistry to say that most elements cannot form compounds complex enough to base a working biochemistry on them, or if they do, these compounds would only be stable in such extreme cold, that basically every chemical reaction - and with that the necessary metabolism and also evolution - grinds to a halt.

For instance, sulfur normally only forms simple chains or rings. Branched molecules are possible, but barely stable under most conditions. The same is true for silicon. Phosphazenes and boron-nitrogen compounds are very limited in their structural variance. Liquid nitrogen is too cold to allow anything that resembles a catabolism. Hydrogen fluoride would react with the planet's geosphere (unless it's made out of teflon) and be completely bound and hence lost as solvent in a short time. And so on.

I wouldn't even be sure that ammonia or methane based life would be able to exist or evolve beyond anything but a very primitive state: water as solvent has very unique properties, which makes it an important key player in biochemistry. Neither ammonia, nor methane (nor sulfur dioxde, nor hydrogen fluoride, nor liquid nitrogen) could act in a really comparable way.
 
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discovery of such unusual phenomena shoud return pretty big pile of cash to lucky explorer.

if i ever find sensitive and intelligent form of life, trying to make cash of it would be the last thing that would pop in my mind (we don't need green piece of papers to live, we need oxygen, gravity, water, food, goals...)
 
Existence of life on neutron stars, or living plasma clouds are surely among the weirder possibilities. Not the weirdest, though - imagine creatures made of dark matter (Photino Birds from the Xeelee sequence by Stephen Baxter for example), sentient planets (novel "Solaris" by Stanislaw Lem, there are two movies as well)
About life on neutron stars, have you read "Dragon's Egg" from Robert L. Forward? Very interesting...
 
About life on neutron stars, have you read "Dragon's Egg" from Robert L. Forward? Very interesting...

Oh yeah, great novel! In fact, it was my direct inspiration - author has been mentioned in description, apparently you missed it (font is quite small, I know) :)
 
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