Newcomer / Intro Was I just unlucky or is this how Open play works?

[MetalMicky]

I think everyone is missing the point. The guy was in a T6 in lugh most likely ferrying weapons for one of the community goals. That's pretty much a big "shoot me" target on his head. If the other cmdr had seen him going back and forth from the fed or csg stations and he was assumed to be working for "the other side" the other cmdr was well within his rights to shoot them down.

Without sounding like a broken record, cd, dvd, ipod, usb.(lol) MOST!!!!! if not all NEW players start by trading with there "cargo ships" on SOLO or GROUP mode. To then earn the experience and teeth to play on OPEN PLAY. Yes, I'm sure I will get a load of "I ONLY PLAY ON blaa blaa" BUT, I did say MOST!!!!!!! NOT ALL..... It would also be easy to say " If its Hollow on your screen, prepare to be mean !!!!! ". That's, not a rule that's FACT!!!!!!!!, ANY, hollow target that approaches your space is NOT asking to CLEAN YOUR WINDSCREEN!!!!!. They, maybe just flying the same way as you? They may be just passing you, while onto some business of there own? They may, HAVE NEVER seen another hollow target before!!!! and want to see what your recently purchased £2 ship skin looked like???? BUT.... and that's the BUT, you need to think of, (B). is for button at the ready. (U). Up with the weapons. (T). Target at the ready!!!!!!!. Thanks for reading....

 

[Jaeger]

That's why you don't do trading in open.

Yup, exactly. I'd have preferred a PvP opt-in flag instead of a "Solo mode". Too many Eve influences prevailed it seems.

Last night as I flew my unshielded Lakon Type 7 in Open Play back and forth to Lugh, I was asked by a nearby combat ship pilot if I wanted an escort. how cool is that?
Congratulations on Elite.

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That's pretty cool... In a similar vein I was in a combat zone, and after losing control in the middle of a PvP duel (you know the drill, shields down faoff spinning wildly landing gear down ,no thrusters canopy cracking... ) and I got a message asking me if I'd had enough. Didn't get exploded by virtue of an unexpected kindness. Optional opt-in PvP, all the benefits of adversarial gameplay without the victimization and general terrorism of pirating.

Funny thing is you also have pirates complaining that it's too hard to pirate other ships.

Slippery slope there listening to those sociopaths. Fair enough though, they are just following the rules... but you know Godwin's law aside, following rules just like the Germans in WW2.

 

[bamber]

Been playing Solo for a while and have got used to the game and earned enough to own a Cobra and a T6. I'd started getting a bit bored with Solo so thought i'd given Open a go.

The first hour was great - started working on a Community Goal, saw a few CMDR's flying around , all was fine and friendly. Then, in the second hour, I get interdicted, lose the 'mini-game', get forced out of jump and get killed in 5 seconds with no warning by a CMDR in a Fer de Lance. TBH, I was in a T6 but even if i'd had my Cobra i'd have still lost given how quickly i got killed.

If I have to do a rebuy every other hour in Open play then I don't see what the point is, as i can't earn enough credits to pay for this kind of loss. I could go back to Solo, get bored doing the grind to get better a better ship and then try again but i'm not sure i can be bothered and it doesn't seem to be the 'right way' to play the game.

Was I just unlucky to get killed with no warning 2 hours into Open play or is this something i'll just have to put up with if i want to play Open? Obviously i could avoid the heavily populated area's but that seems to defeat the object of Open and if i want to take part in Community Goals then i'll obviously always be near places that will attract traffic.

1. dont play the interdiction mini game - submit straight away, your fsd spools up really quick
2. if you are playing with tigers make sure you have a thick skin
3. a well equiped fast well defended cobra will get you out of most trouble

 

[Concenaros]

You're just unlucky OP. I've had a similar experience. I had played the game for all of maybe an hour when I was suddenly Interdicted by what I assume was an actual CMDR, and was promptly shot all to hell and killed.

This was literally my first experience with the game. I hadn't even completed a mission yet.

I guess if playing Open-play means that I could possibly be interdicted and slain at anytime, it makes the game more 'fun' if you're into that sort of play style.

Open world PVP tends to be sometimes annyoing for starting players but the best defense against it I find, is to just try to work to get stronger and survive while doing so. Take the advice of other CMDR's and submit and boost the hell out of there when caught it may not work everytime, but so far it's worked pretty decently for me.

 

[Kuroshio]

Slippery slope there listening to those sociopaths. Fair enough though, they are just following the rules... but you know Godwin's law aside, following rules just like the Germans in WW2.

Orders. We followed orders. Not rules. If we'd followed the rules, we wouldn't have had these awkward conversations afterwards. Or Godwin's law.

 

[Dirkki]

It's about luck I guess. I've been killed by players twice within the month that I've played Elite. And mind you, I have mostly played solo. So those few occasions that I've been open, I have gotten killed for no reason at all.

Needless to say, I'm all solo these days as I also cannot afford the losses. I don't really feel like I'm missing much...other than the random killing

 

[Finally]

New player here, 3 days... I refuse to play in solo mode. I enjoy players trying to kill me (only 2 times so far, both unsuccessful) but even more winging up with guys.

I found a ton of friendly players at my station near LMR that joined up and made a ton of $$ while chatting away.

I know it sucks to die but forming a wing is key to survival.

 

[h0bn0bb3r]

I think everyone is missing the point. The guy was in a T6 in lugh most likely ferrying weapons for one of the community goals. That's pretty much a big "shoot me" target on his head. If the other cmdr had seen him going back and forth from the fed or csg stations and he was assumed to be working for "the other side" the other cmdr was well within his rights to shoot them down.

I wasn't in Lugh, but the rest of it sounds pretty accurate from what i've now read in the rest of this thread .

One of the themes of this thread seems to be stay out of the way of areas which are likely to attract this kind of thing, but the problem is that these areas (community goals etc) are the thing that differentiates Solo from Open. If i'm going to play Open and avoid these areas then i may as well go back to Solo but i'll with it and keep practicing.

And thanks to all for the other advice (esp. ethelred's - sorry can't work out how to quote from a post so up the tree!)

I tried again last night and all was well. I'm off now for another go!

 

[ocflyer]

I did google the CMDR name and it looks they not only have form for doing this to others but also quitting the game if someone fights back and starts winning. I've started a new list of CMDR to hunt down when i get a good enough ship to fight back with.

Please post the names. I'd be happy to join you in that effort.

 

[ocflyer]

1. dont play the interdiction mini game - submit straight away, your fsd spools up really quick
2. if you are playing with tigers make sure you have a thick skin
3. a well equiped fast well defended cobra will get you out of most trouble

This changed in 1.2. It takes longer for the FSD to spool up, even if you submit. And if the ship is larger, it can mass lock you and outrun you. So, submitting to interdiction doesn't mean you can boost and jump away.

 

[Greyhawk]

This is only my second day of ED and my first post on here. Thought I would just add that I was interdicted in solo play in my Hauler by a Cobra which killed me so quickly my hardpoint didn't even have a chance to deploy. Yes that quickly - literally in around 1-1.5 seconds. I was clean carrying some low value cargo.

So even the solo game can be a nightmare.

 

[Walt Kerman]

I imagine if you didn't submit (extending your jump timer), carried no shields, and the cobra had missiles then you may have walked yourself into the unlucky combo.

Though this is fishy because every time I have run into npc pirates, they always hail me first. I believe you can even drop your cargo and they will leave you alone.

 

[Greyhawk]

Got no warning, just ID out of the blue (or black I guess in this case). I did have shields but the ID was impossible to avoid. Even when I headed right into the blue swirly thing the blue bar barely went up. If I lost the lock it plummeted down. I lost 2.9k credits, all my cargo and all the cartography info I was carrying (about 10k worth) which is a lot to lose so early in the game.

I very nearly quit and uninstalled. Oh and this was in an Industrial Democracy not Anarchy. Wadanji or something? I'm not going back there again at any rate.

 

[xondk]

Yeah unfortunately this happens in practically all online games, griefers, people that enjoy harming others that have absolutely no or little chance of defending themselves. Find a group of people, though there isn't any ability to have a guild/crew or similar ingame right now I know there are groups of people that fly under the same flag, give friends name and location of griefer and watch griefer get splattered

 

[Greyhawk]

I was in solo mode though?

 

[Jaeger]

I was in solo mode though?

Yeah, that experience you had is exactly the crap I keep calling out. It's not fun, it's frustration in a bottle; a defacto waste of your time. E D is not a game made for fun, the sooner the competition brings options for us the better.

 

[willowfan]

Strange that you got no "drop your cargo" type message. They always say this before opening fire, even if you are flying a vulture with no cargo hold.

 

[ScottGust]

SH@T Happens in OP...I sometimes get frustrated too....with RL people you really never can tell what their going to do.
I can tell you that 90% of the time in policed systems I'm usually not mindlessly attacked...the key for the other 10% is defensive measures ( sheild boosters,cell banks,better thrusters, FSD etc) anything to give you more time to fly away from the bafoons.
Of course in my case I went the other way and practiced combat and bought a Vulture,becuz....well I hate bullies.

 

[Werppa]

Interesting CMDR "Werppa". I was always under the impression that trading in OPEN PLAY was set at a higher rate than SOLO. ??????

Care to give a link or source where that is stated? It would be odd if the prices were different in solo and open...

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This is only my second day of ED and my first post on here. Thought I would just add that I was interdicted in solo play in my Hauler by a Cobra which killed me so quickly my hardpoint didn't even have a chance to deploy. Yes that quickly - literally in around 1-1.5 seconds. I was clean carrying some low value cargo.

So even the solo game can be a nightmare.

You got killed by an NPC, not CMDR. If you're running as a hauler, just boost away and smash the FSD button. There are some guides in the forums how to handle those situations, easiest is to submit to interdiction and run if NPC interdicts you. Can't really do much as a hauler

 

[huwthomas]

If i'm going to play Open and avoid these areas then i may as well go back to Solo but i'll with it and keep practicing.

Or join the Mobius PvE group. You'll see other commanders and you can fight them in conflict zones once you've chosen sides, but you can still truck around quietly when you wish.