Hardware & Technical Where to buy Titan black?

....someone else can explain it better than me, it's not exactly running 1920x1080 twice, I think it's a lower resolution combined. Still you need a beast of a system to get it smooth.....

I imagine latency is a big issue. I want to get the retail Oculus, but not if it makes me toss my lunch.
 
edit - are you sure the black is par with the 780TI? The TI was my old card, and remember it would beat the old Titan, isn't the black a souped up version of the original Titan?

Here's a direct quote from a review... "Even if you're chasing the very best gaming performance, GTX Titan Black is a waste of money (though we're sure that still won't stop some people buying four). Pre-overclocked GTX 780 Ti cards will outperform it with ease, and even stock cards have a tonne of headroom for extra performance. For now, the 6GB of VRAM does nothing to boost performance in games, even in demanding triple screen and 4K tests."
 
edit - are you sure the black is par with the 780TI? The TI was my old card, and remember it would beat the old Titan, isn't the black a souped up version of the original Titan?

Nvidia is really good at marketing their stuff - you've likely been buying cards that are pretty similar in performance for a while.

Even now a 780 Ti will still beat a 980 under certain conditions. There wasn't that much difference in performance to start with but the 980 employs certain "tricks" to win in most cases, however it still loses to the raw grunt of the 780 Ti in others.

If you're really flush with cash then as others have said, the Titan X (on average appears to be ~30% faster than a 980 and both are based on the same Maxwell technology) is what you want instead of this Titan Black, which is basically a 780 Ti with 6GB VRAM. Check out the red side every so often too (say in 3 months time) as the 390X is very likely to be faster than Titan X and has some very advanced technology there too, like HBM.
 
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Nvidia is really good at marketing their stuff - you've likely been buying cards that are pretty similar in performance for a while.

Even now a 780 Ti will still beat a 980 under certain conditions. There wasn't that much difference in performance to start with but the 980 employs certain "tricks" to win in most cases, however it still loses to the raw grunt of the 780 Ti in others.

If you're really flush with cash then as others have said, the Titan X (on average appears to be ~30% faster than a 980 and both are based on the same Maxwell technology) is what you want instead of this Titan Black, which is basically a 780 Ti with 6GB VRAM. Check out the red side every so often too (say in 3 months time) as the 390X is very likely to be faster than Titan X and has some very advanced technology there too, like HBM.

I dunno, I've been on the hype train with AMD so many times in recent years I'm really starting to lose faith.

They always have something revolutionary right around the corner, then when it gets to release they've got similar or less performance with higher power consumption/heat. But oh wait, another product is lined up and this time it's going to be revolutionary.
 
I dunno, I've been on the hype train with AMD so many times in recent years I'm really starting to lose faith.

They always have something revolutionary right around the corner, then when it gets to release they've got similar or less performance with higher power consumption/heat. But oh wait, another product is lined up and this time it's going to be revolutionary.

Nobody is talking about revolutionary here. My point is that many Nvidia buyers are basically spending a fortune on small upgrades/sidegrades. Anyone who bought a 680 then a 780, then a Titan or 780 Ti, then a 980...tiny upgrades for an awful lot of money. "Titan Black" is just another example of their more brazen behaviour where they basically charge a lot more for slower cards while abusing the "Titan" name.

You can level a lot of criticism - deservedly so - at AMD for their mistakes, but they don't set out to deliberately confuse and treat their own customers like fools in the way Nvidia does. Nvidia has had what, 9 flagship cards on 28nm? Each with tiny upgrades at best over the previous flagship card. Even Titan X now is barely twice as fast as the 680 - that's the kind of upgrade that we should be getting once every 24 months, not 8 or 9 times in 10% steps in 3 years.

And you know what's coming next? GTX 980 Ti, ie Titan X with 6GB of VRAM and higher performance again because...

1) Nvidia knows that the amount of VRAM is meaningless for overall performance but the tech unaware will buy Titan X thinking otherwise because of the Titan moniker.
2) They have plenty of headroom left in Titan X for higher clocks on the 980 Ti.

So you'll get the exact situation again as Titan vs the 780 and 780 Ti before. If you have a captive audience that never learns from previous mistakes, why not continue milking them in the same manner? For me that's pretty dishonest but that's how marketing works at many companies.
 
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Nobody is talking about revolutionary here. My point is that many Nvidia buyers are basically spending a fortune on small upgrades/sidegrades. Anyone who bought a 680 then a 780, then a Titan or 780 Ti, then a 980...tiny upgrades for an awful lot of money. "Titan Black" is just another example of their more brazen behaviour where they basically charge a lot more for slower cards while abusing the "Titan" name.

You can level a lot of criticism - deservedly so - at AMD for their mistakes, but they don't set out to deliberately confuse and treat their own customers like fools in the way Nvidia does. Nvidia has had what, 9 flagship cards on 28nm? Each with tiny upgrades at best over the previous flagship card. Even Titan X now is barely twice as fast as the 680 - that's the kind of upgrade that we should be getting once every 24 months, not 8 or 9 times in 10% steps in 3 years.

And you know what's coming next? GTX 980 Ti, ie Titan X with 6GB of VRAM and higher performance again because...

1) Nvidia knows that the amount of VRAM is meaningless for overall performance but the tech unaware will buy Titan X thinking otherwise because of the Titan moniker.
2) They have plenty of headroom left in Titan X for higher clocks on the 980 Ti.

So you'll get the exact situation again as Titan vs the 780 and 780 Ti before. If you have a captive audience that never learns from previous mistakes, why not continue milking them in the same manner? For me that's pretty dishonest but that's how marketing works at many companies.

Oh yeah, NV are hilarious for the way they were rolling out a new "TITAN Z", "TITAN BLACK", "TITAN McTITANPANTS" seemingly every six months or so. None of them are really meaningful improvements over previous gen, although I was impressed with Maxwell's performance given that they didn't drop a node.

That said, both AMD and NV have been stuck at 28nm for some time thanks to TSMC, unless AMD have dropped to 20nm with GloFo for their next cards and I've missed the new article I'm assuming they both will be until 2016?
 
I would think so but don't have any experience with the rift. I also don't know the physical specifications of the rift either. I would think if my 980 can push my 27'' screen at 1920x1080 @110+fps in stations then it should get the same FPS on a 7'' screen at the same resolution. But i guess there are other factors involved that lower the FPS?

Screen size makes no difference, only frame rates and resolution do.

From what I have seen from peoples vids (the very square video captures), I presume it runs a side by side style 3D setup, so probably actually running at 960 x 1080 at double whatever the actual fram erate is (one 960x1080 feed at X fps per eye - synched alternately, where X is whatever your frame rate is).

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Oh yeah, NV are hilarious for the way they were rolling out a new "TITAN Z", "TITAN BLACK", "TITAN McTITANPANTS" seemingly every six months or so. None of them are really meaningful improvements over previous gen, although I was impressed with Maxwell's performance given that they didn't drop a node.

That said, both AMD and NV have been stuck at 28nm for some time thanks to TSMC, unless AMD have dropped to 20nm with GloFo for their next cards and I've missed the new article I'm assuming they both will be until 2016?

Maxwell is great, really impressive chip especially for 28nm yes. Rumour has it that GloFo will be fabbing the 300 series but it's still 28nm, not 20nm like some sources have been claiming for a while. TSMC's 16FF isn't in great shape that's why Nvidia has gone to Samsung for theirs. It's hard to tell what exactly will be getting fabbed where though as companies do their best to keep this close to their chest. There won't be any 20nm GPUs though, that node was made for low power products only and isn't suitable for high performance GPUs.
 
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