holy crap.. just got a warthog...

[GJ51]

I use a x52pro. It's now obvious I've been disrespecting ED.
Thanks for the info, I'll check out the pedals.

I'm not sure what typical products are using inside today, but even the old Thrusmaster models used potentiometers that would degrade with use/time and get very inaccurate.

The Hall Effect products are truly a quantum leap in quality and accuracy.

I had old Saitek stuff and tried to use it initially with ED. That experience was enough to motivate me to upgrade.

NO regrets.

Solid and accurate. Great build weight and quality.

 

[GJ51]

I use a x52pro. It's now obvious I've been disrespecting ED.
Thanks for the info, I'll check out the pedals.

I would take the time to be sure they work well in ED as I haven't seen many posts in that regard. I don't know of any reason why they wouldn't - but I haven't personally verified that the CH pedals work with ED.

Hopefully someone can provide that feedback.

 

[skazz]

From what I've read, the Warthog, T16000m and X55 all use the exact same Hall sensor module....

 

[Saool]

Flying with my Warthog setup is so intuitive. It just feels like driving.

 

[CMDR Holycow]

I use the saitek combat pedals. They were at the time the only pedals in my price range.... even though they aren't cheap.. they suck. I don't even use the rudder axis as the feel is SSOOOO terrible.. I actually use the toe-brakes for my rudder. Having said that... they do the job. I will upgrade to some actual quality non-plastic pedals here in the near future (warthog quality).

 

[mixmm]

Good luck with your Warthog, it's an excellent bit of kit, much better than the X55, the accuracy is so much better (I've already broke one of them, killed the trigger, also had to rewire the throttle, not so good, hey but now it glows red!) but a word of warning... The inside is not as well made as you might think the trigger sensors are attached through a cup and ball joint which contains the hall sensors this can snag (poor design and stretch the cable thus detaching the common and shorting out the all the buttons, big problem after spending £200 on a joystick and the customer service "sucks farts from bus seats" 3 weeks to get an email back, by that time I had disassembled re greased and re-soldered it and also replaced the blob of silicon with some glue from a glue gun, better fix which protects the cable and has avoided happening since. It is a know problem hit me up if you need a guide. my advice if you are going to get pedals go for the M.G.F. Crosswinds they are the best!

 

[Nauht]

Just map yaw to the throttle mouse nub/nipple... or one of the hats on either the stick or throttle, you've got plenty.

 

[Cybrdroyd]

The warthog has two problems that makes me not want to buy it. First, it has toggle switches that aren't momentary switches, so they aren't as intuitive to use as the x-55 in this game. Also, it has a very stiff feel, I mean you really have to use some muscle to move the stick around, and in long game play sessions, I expect it to get very tiring.

I am currently using the Logitech extreme 3d pro, and I kind of like it. It does what I need it to, but the twist rudder is hard on the wrist. I plan to go with the CH fighterstick and CH throttle, CH rudder pedals, and CH switch panel. From what I've read, and from the reviews I've watched on youtube, the CH products last forever, some people have had their CH flight sticks for 20 years and still use them. Also, the action is light and smooth, so it will be comfortable through long game sessions. With the customizable switch panel, I won't ever have to use the keyboard except to talk in comms. It will be some $$$ for everything, but once I have all these pieces, I won't want for another piece of control kit for anything.

Don't get me wrong, the warthog is a great stick, and its worth every penny for its all metal construction, and solid feel, you can't beat it. I just really want a lighter smoother stick for this game because I think it will make me better in combat.

 

[Khyber GT]

The lack of yaw on the stick is bothersome to me (well my wife actually), because if she sees me bringing in pedals, game over, man!

Really? You got a mean wife or something? Your wife would prob poop a brick if she saw my sim rig for racing/space sims then if she gets upset over hotas and pedals lol. Seriously though you shouldn't feel ashamed of enjoying yourself.

 

[GJ51]

I use the saitek combat pedals. They were at the time the only pedals in my price range.... even though they aren't cheap.. they suck. I don't even use the rudder axis as the feel is SSOOOO terrible.. I actually use the toe-brakes for my rudder. Having said that... they do the job. I will upgrade to some actual quality non-plastic pedals here in the near future (warthog quality).

That sure sums up my experience with the Saitek pedals. I use the brakes for thrust and reverse as when I tried them for the yaw they felt like either full on or off with no sensitivity. Beware if anyone thinks Boost on the brake pedal is a good idea - a miscalculation on take-off = wall splat dead ship. I use it, but don't blame me if you kill yourself.

Good luck with your Warthog, it's an excellent bit of kit, much better than the X55, the accuracy is so much better (I've already broke one of them, killed the trigger, also had to rewire the throttle, not so good, hey but now it glows red!) but a word of warning... The inside is not as well made as you might think the trigger sensors are attached through a cup and ball joint which contains the hall sensors this can snag (poor design and stretch the cable thus detaching the common and shorting out the all the buttons, big problem after spending £200 on a joystick and the customer service "sucks farts from bus seats" 3 weeks to get an email back, by that time I had disassembled re greased and re-soldered it and also replaced the blob of silicon with some glue from a glue gun, better fix which protects the cable and has avoided happening since. It is a know problem hit me up if you need a guide. my advice if you are going to get pedals go for the M.G.F. Crosswinds they are the best!

I compared the MGF Crosswinds with the Slaw and from what I read they seemed to be both well made and top-shelf kit. I basically went for the all metal construction and the look and pedal style of the Slaw BF-109 set - but I don't think either is a bad choice. Both get excellent reviews and are both hand crafted to order.

 

[Andrej]

please, set aside the "use the search" comments... every minute here is precious. Have pity on me.

I'm feel sorry for you. I wish I saw this tread earlier. For quick sneak peak, without Target, joystick and throttle axes are picked up by the ED from control setup. Some of the buttons too. It take about 10 min for basic config. I'm hoping you had found it by yourself already. Have a good flight (both, in ED and real life).

 

[Magic Man]

I compared the MGF Crosswinds with the Slaw and from what I read they seemed to be both well made and top-shelf kit. I basically went for the all metal construction and the look and pedal style of the Slaw BF-109 set - but I don't think either is a bad choice. Both get excellent reviews and are both hand crafted to order.

Same here, my Bf109 cam pedals are superb.

I can actually map more functions to the X-55 because it has more switches and knobs then the Warthog does.

Really?

 

[Synther]

There is a salve you can get to clear that up. The local computer store near me sells them for 157.00 though, you may have overpaid a bit.

He was referring to this bad boy. Which does retail $400.

http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog-Joystick-2960720/dp/B00371R8P4

edit: just noticed how big the thread got. Whoops.

Slightly offtopic, but can someone give me a video demoing how pedals work in terms of rudder?

 

[fearlessfrog]

When you have it setup DO NOT PLAY THE GAME WITH YOUR COMMANDER! Do the tutorials a few times especially the take off and landing ones. RETRAIN the muscle memory. You WILL regret it if you dive straight in.

Can confirm that advice

New HOTAS, all excited. Set up a few controls. Feeling really good. Mapped a hat to vertical take off thrust, smoothly up off the pad - like butter.

Lined up slot, let's make a Hollywood exit from the station!. Full Thrust - man, feels so good to push forward like that. SPACESHIP!

Ok, let's target that Cobra coming in so just for fun with my pinky wee switch..

WHY AM I GOING BACKWARDS! NOOOOOO!

Spinning.

Some shooting. Crunching. Noise.

Death.

'You have Died'.

So basically, yep - check where you have that reverse thrust switch set, and practise off of your main save..

 

[OVMorat]

I actually prefer the X-55, because it has universal switches and buttons that aren't marked specifically for the A-10C.
I do play DCS A-10C with it and it works great. I can actually map more functions to the X-55 because it has more switches and knobs then the Warthog does.

Seeing as you're jumping in on a warthog thread.... You're wrong. The USAF probably spent more on designing the shape A-10C HOTAS than ED spent on Frontier and the Thrustmaster is a direct copy of that work (with official blessing). Every switch, button and hat is in the right place - exactly the right place. As for the PC workings, the sensors are perfect, the calibration is perfect and you feel like you're flying something special. Is it worth buying the Warthog for ED? Well, no - not really. ED isn't a sim of the calibre of DCS and it's fine to use a cheaper stick, especially one with a lighter spring action so you can wack the stick around really quickly BUT don't confuse the X-55, or anything built by Saitek, with the quality of a Warthog.

 

[Radius]

Ah, the Warthog. Got mine while I was waiting for Premium Beta to be released and then trained myself on the combat scenarios. Though I have switched my config around a few times. As others have noted, the switches on the TQ are not momentary (well, most of them) so you have to flip on and off to trigger a button press into E, but that can be sorted with TARGET (sort-of, I think, I just put up with it).

For those who find the stick a bit stiff - and apparently it has more or less the same force as the real A-10 stick, all I can say is that Warthog drivers clearly have strong arms - there is a mod you can do that involves removing the main spring and re-using the springs that hold the base plate to the ball for tension instead. The stick moves much more easily, and I personally found that much less tiring on the muscles, so I've stuck with it. But it's non-destructive and you can keep hold of the spring and put it back in later if you want. It does make the stick less self-centering, though.

I use the Saitek PRO Combat pedals, the pedal assemblies are metal rather than plastic and they're much more sturdy. I own multiple pairs of CH pedals and I much prefer the Saiteks.

 

[2chill]

Love my Warthog. There is no comparison. Anybody who says otherwise is either ignorant, or selling you something. Here's mine:

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Have you removed your downstairs loo to fit that rig in?

 

[Rikk]

When you have it setup DO NOT PLAY THE GAME WITH YOUR COMMANDER! Do the tutorials a few times especially the take off and landing ones. RETRAIN the muscle memory. You WILL regret it if you dive straight in.

This is exactly why my new X55 has stayed in it's box for a while.
I'm many thousands of LY from home and I know I would fekk it up...

 

[GJ51]

Ah, the Warthog. Got mine while I was waiting for Premium Beta to be released and then trained myself on the combat scenarios. Though I have switched my config around a few times. As others have noted, the switches on the TQ are not momentary (well, most of them) so you have to flip on and off to trigger a button press into E, but that can be sorted with TARGET (sort-of, I think, I just put up with it).

For those who find the stick a bit stiff - and apparently it has more or less the same force as the real A-10 stick, all I can say is that Warthog drivers clearly have strong arms - there is a mod you can do that involves removing the main spring and re-using the springs that hold the base plate to the ball for tension instead. The stick moves much more easily, and I personally found that much less tiring on the muscles, so I've stuck with it. But it's non-destructive and you can keep hold of the spring and put it back in later if you want. It does make the stick less self-centering, though.

I use the Saitek PRO Combat pedals, the pedal assemblies are metal rather than plastic and they're much more sturdy. I own multiple pairs of CH pedals and I much prefer the Saiteks.

Thanks for that. I didn't know Pro Combat model was metal or I would have probably ordered those. The plastic ones are terrible.

 

[aRtFuL]

Had Warthog got twist yaw I would've bought it right away back then instead of X-55.

I mean the build quality is just so much better for the Warthog.

No twist yaw is a real self-market killer for that rig imo