Federal dropship Hull Mass

The FD's additional mass is probably down to cheaper materials e.g. steel instead of titanium (Ti is 65% the density of steel and a similar strength) that and the FD is designed to get troops and equipment onto a planetary surface and unload them without station facilities, so the cargo handing equipment could account for a substantial amount of the "unexplained" mass.
I suppose it could even be considered a throwaway ship, get the load delivered and if the battle is won another FD will pick up the survivors.

Well the Anaconda is in fact a Cargoship
 
Does hull mass have no factor in the ability to sustain, no resist, damage?
I never thought about it too much but assumed the large hull mass of the Drop Ship was to sustain punishment
 
Does hull mass have no factor in the ability to sustain, no resist, damage?
I never thought about it too much but assumed the large hull mass of the Drop Ship was to sustain punishment

This was my thinking too, but upon looking at the stats on edshipyard, it is clear the dropship has more weight but less armor than the Ananconda

Drop Ship: 580 T Hull Mass only, 300 Armor
Anaconda: 400 T Hull Mass only, 525 Armor
 
This was my thinking too, but upon looking at the stats on edshipyard, it is clear the dropship has more weight but less armor than the Ananconda

Drop Ship: 580 T Hull Mass only, 300 Armor
Anaconda: 400 T Hull Mass only, 525 Armor

yes this is my main problem, coupled with the fact that the Anaconda is the largest ship in game
 
Has FD ever issued a statement or reason why the Dropship is that heavy ? Like most of you i can't see any real reason for it and i think the high hull mass gimps its overall performance and jumprange considerably.
 
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i have no idea, havent seen any explanation. It is still maneuverable, good for drifting. However, you are right that it hurts its jump range.
 
i have no idea, havent seen any explanation. It is still maneuverable, good for drifting. However, you are right that it hurts its jump range.

Maybe that's the only reason; to limit it's range? It's a short range troop ship? It should have a lot more armour to compensate.
 
Never flown a Conda but the Dropship has amazing hull endurance (that's without reinforcements, a.k.a. ballast)! Also, if it weren't so gosh darn heavy it probably wouldn't drift and I wouldn't love it so much :D

But yeah, I agree, the hull mass vs. the Conda is funny.
 
how can a ship that is smaller, less armored, has fewer hardpoints AND has smaller internal modules and compartments (not to mention the anacondas mechanisms that supposed to move cargo around the bay) have around 30% higher hull mass than the anaconda ?

Less advanced materials used in construction and more robust landing gear.

Oh wow, never thought of that...how can this be the case?

It's heavy and doesn't have enough internal volume for a larger generator. It's not supposed to have strong shields.
 
Never flown a Conda but the Dropship has amazing hull endurance (that's without reinforcements, a.k.a. ballast)! Also, if it weren't so gosh darn heavy it probably wouldn't drift and I wouldn't love it so much :D

But yeah, I agree, the hull mass vs. the Conda is funny.

The sad part is, hull endurance does not protect its Power plant.
 
based solely on numbers it would mean 75% decrease in density while almost doubling armour effectiveness
(coarse calculation)

The spaced ceramic armor in many modern MBTs is substantially less dense than rolled homogeneous steel used in WWII tanks, yet offers vastly more protection against many threats.

Even if there is no difference in the composition, a larger portion of the Anaconda's mass is likely devoted to protection, while a dropship may have more devoted to undercarriage and similar areas required for frequent planetary landings.

So against armour piercing attacks the Drop Ship would last longer?

Only because it's powerplant is somewhat better placed. Weight/hull ratio has nothing to do with this.

yes this is my main problem

It's not a problem. The assumption that every ship needs to have similar amounts of it's hull mass devoted to protection is.

An ice breaker and a battlecruiser may have similar hull mass. Guess which one has no armor, and which one has a lot of armor? Now which one has a stronger hull in other areas? Fire a shell that would bounce off the battlecruiser's main belt at an icebreaker of similar size and you may well sink the icebreaker. Drive a battlecruiser through pack ice and you'll tear the front of the ship off. Different placement and purpose of the materials used to construct them.
 

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Less advanced materials used in construction and more robust landing gear.



It's heavy and doesn't have enough internal volume for a larger generator. It's not supposed to have strong shields.

I understand game balance reasons, but what bothers me is the fact that every ship and their properties in game are "Believably Realistic". All except this.

IT is supposed to be a military ship, i dont think they would skip on material quality.

also, thats just the point, WHY is it heavier? Its not additional armor.
and IT IS heavier by almost 50%, and robust landing gear cant be that heavy.
 
It's one of the few ships that has distinct wings (three in fact perhaps it's made by Fokker... Triplane... see image ;)) for some aerodynamic lift

4cKzBtJ.jpg


Joking aside a ship designed for atmospheric reentry is going to be significantly different in structural design, wing structure would have to be substantial as it'd have to maneuver in atmosphere to avoid flak and missiles,
 
It's not a problem. The assumption that every ship needs to have similar amounts of it's hull mass devoted to protection is.

An ice breaker and a battlecruiser may have similar hull mass. Guess which one has no armor, and which one has a lot of armor? Now which one has a stronger hull in other areas? Fire a shell that would bounce off the battlecruiser's main belt at an icebreaker of similar size and you may well sink the icebreaker. Drive a battlecruiser through pack ice and you'll tear the front of the ship off. Different placement and purpose of the materials used to construct them.

But they are not remotely similar. FD is a lot smaller (almost half size) and heavier by half. Thats what i dont understand.

In your comparison it would be a Destroyer vs Battleship where the battleship is lighter. it does not make any sense. I would accept it if they had similar hulls, but they do not.

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It's one of the few ships that has distinct wings (three in fact perhaps it's made by Fokker... Triplane... see image ;)) for some aerodynamic lift

https://i.imgur.com/4cKzBtJ.jpg

Joking aside a ship designed for atmospheric reentry is going to be significantly different in structural design, wing structure would have to be substantial as it'd have to maneuver in atmosphere to avoid flak and missiles,

I highly doubt that when planetary landings arrive, you wont be able to land in an Anaconda.
 
Part of it must be the cost, an FD is sub 20 mil and a Conda is almost 150 mil for "similar" class ships, the extra 130 mil or so can buy a lot of lightness and technology, a current day example would be Carbotanium (I didn't make it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbotanium) for the same strength it'll be more than 60% lighter than a cheap steel structure of the same size and volume.

A similar approach can be taken with armor, adding more steel plate to existing structure will enhance the level of protection but it's very inefficient compared to spaced composite armor like Chobham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_armour) used in modern battle tanks, so for the FD add more pig iron plate and for the Conda some exotic super armor.
 
Dropship is designed to carry personel. Life support and living quarters for many people is heavy and takes up internal space. In addition, she is a low budget ship, for her size. That means cheaper, heavier, weaker materials.

The Conda and Python are expensive, top of the range traders. High tech materials, large empty spaces. This also explains why Python is more compact than a T7 - the T7 costs nothing to repair because she is made of heavy, cheap materials, powered by over-large low quality engines. Also, the T7 is designed poorly, too high for a medium pad. Maybe pad sizes only came in small and large when the T7 was designed, or maybe the engineers at Lakon were having an off day :)
 
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