Not Going to Sag A.
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The trip to Sag A is 25,000ish ly by a direct route. I'm on my way home from there now. I've scanned over a thousand previously unexplored systems. Odds are I'll be the only player in the life of ED to ever see some of them. I've seen less than 20 previously explored systems. It makes no sense for anyone to say they want to avoid Sag A because they'd rather see unexplored systems. It's only ONE system on the route, out of thousands.
It isn't because of it being explored for a lot of us. Rather it is that it feels touristy as it is the first big target a lot of newer players think of. I even avioded going to Bernards Loop for the same reason when I started exploring in beta. I might go there now as I don't hear as many people discussing it now. Of course it means I have to go all the way around the galaxy to get there and aviod going back to human space. 
Not sure your maths is correct. 25,000Ly / 12h = 2083 Ly = 70 jumps at 30Ly per hour. I can only manage about 25 max, not including scanning any systems.
How would you achieve that without reducing (dramatically) the jump range of every ship in the game?
That's a good question... As it stands now "exploration" really is little more than how dedicated you are at pressing "H". Surely there could/should be something more skillful and or involved to it? If you're jumping to a system no one has ever been to before, should it really involve nothing more than pressing "H"?
If we take the Mt Everest analogy, it's akin to putting an elevator up to it, and all you have to do it have the patience to keep pressing the "Up" button.
How much kudos would it be to say you've been up there then?
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That's a good question... As it stands now "exploration" really is little more than how dedicated you are at pressing "H". Surely there could/should be something more skillful and or involved to it? If you're jumping to a system no one has ever been to before, should it really involve nothing more than pressing "H"?
If we take the Mt Everest analogy, it's akin to putting an elevator up to it, and all you have to do it have the patience to keep pressing the "Up" button.
Elevator out of order....please use stairs.
Op isn't that conforming to non conformity?
I'm 9890 ly out from sol on my way to the Great Annihilator then Sag A*, not a speed run, scanning as much interesting stuff as I can. Havn't hit anything pre-discovered yet (although someone may be getting close to selling data that will negate what I said!). Had a recent "wobble" of stamina, but I'm back on my way. I'm doing it because "I" want to do it at this moment, no other reason.
I'm 9890 ly out from sol on my way to the Great Annihilator then Sag A*, not a speed run, scanning as much interesting stuff as I can. Havn't hit anything pre-discovered yet (although someone may be getting close to selling data that will negate what I said!). Had a recent "wobble" of stamina, but I'm back on my way. I'm doing it because "I" want to do it at this moment, no other reason.
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The Tagline wasn't 'To Boldly Go Where Other Men Have Already Gone And Thought It Was Quite Interesting'
That's fair. But you know, on my trip to Sag A*, the number of visited systems was a small fraction of 1%. Sag A* is just a convenient point of reference, and just a place to tip one's hat at.
You may note that the Enterprise often visited known systems, too. Despite their motto!
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And about how to do it, that's the job of the game devs. It certainly should be much more risky and the further you go into space the more hazardous it would be, wear and tear managemnt should become more risky, dangerous situations with overheating, extreme gravity, binary stars etc. should be more frequent. There could be little outposts deep in space where you would need to refill and repair your ship, some of them known others unknown, direct straight lines from A to B when dealing with long ranges should be impossible (like it is right now).
Exploration right now has zero feeling of how real exploration and discovery has been in the past for humanity (which it always was much uncertainty and risk but with potential unlimited rewards of great feeling of accomplishment), it's exactly like the Everest analogy someone posted before.
But that's just one option, some people enjoys the 'space tourist' approach right now, but don't complain if the result you get is the one in the OP, because that's what it encourages. If FD is fine with that too, is what we will be stuck with.
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It took me 5 weeks by a circuitous route. I had more fun getting there than actually achieving the goal. Although, the size of it was quite impressive and like I said, I met another explorer there.
I used it as the goal of the journey, but now have plans for my next one, which do not involve going anywhere near the core at all!
I used it as the goal of the journey, but now have plans for my next one, which do not involve going anywhere near the core at all!
I was planning on going to Sag A* on my current trip out into the deep black ... got sidetracked by a smallish cloud of neutron stars which I spent a week or so mapping. Decided that my 18.6 LY Clipper isn't really up to the job of long range exploration as once the stars start to thin out +/-1000 LY up or down, route planning became problematic with a lot of doubling back and forth, so I'm heading back to properly kit out an Explorer Asp. Hoping to get around a 35LY range on it so that should solve most ranging problems. If anyone wants to share their set up, PM me, otherwise I'll be using E : D Shipyard.
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Eh? That isn't exploration for me at all. Exploration is getting out there to a scientifically feasible milky way galaxy and seeing and appreciating what's there. I prefer this to stuff like Space Engine because there is A Journey. Some people have the time to make it reasonably quick, some of us stay out for weeks at a time, exploring and interpreting what we find. I'm lucky in that I come from a scientific background, particularly astrophysics so perhaps I get more of a kick out of it than other people do. I've called it an Asimovian Galaxy so far because so far it's only been humanity that we've found.
Exploration has little to do with the rank, though I do appreciate it, it's about... Space.
See what I'm on about on my facebook page: The First Great Solo Expedition
Addendum: That facebook page, the photos and the mini-articles are really what exploration is for me.
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I'm about 1200 ly from the great annihilator and after that I'll go to sag a because it's just close. My main reason for going there is to explore the core and travel back counter clockwise It will probably be a long time before I will see a station again.
But I want to put my asp red paint :/
Anyone have any suggestions about things to visit?
But I want to put my asp red paint :/
Anyone have any suggestions about things to visit?
being an 'explorer' and not going to Sag A is like being a mountain climber and never climbing Everest. Yes loads have done it but you're not a true mountaineer until you've done it too.
get out there, man up and do it.
get out there, man up and do it.
I think if you want to go to Sag A you should go.
I think if you don't want to go you shouldn't go.
If you go when you don't want to go you are a loser. If you go when you really want to go, even though it's been done, then you're doing it right. If you don't want to go because it's already been done, but you secretly want to go, you should secretly go and not tell anyone. If you are one of the first few people who went, you went before it was cool so you're a hipster.
I think if you don't want to go you shouldn't go.
If you go when you don't want to go you are a loser. If you go when you really want to go, even though it's been done, then you're doing it right. If you don't want to go because it's already been done, but you secretly want to go, you should secretly go and not tell anyone. If you are one of the first few people who went, you went before it was cool so you're a hipster.
Dunno, if you told me to woman up and do it I might feel more inspired. Cos women are way way tougher than men. I know I married one and she scares the hell out of me.