Moving from Eagle to Viper?

Hey!

My question is the following: I'm thinking on moving to a Viper from an Eagle. I only spent around 80k to the Eagle. Is it a good idea to buy a Viper this early? I have 440k Cr in stash. Thanks!
 
I did that pretty much. I went from the Sidewinder to the Eagle. My target was the Cobra, but I took a Viper as a step closer. However, I only spent a short time with it before I got enough for the CObra and traded up. Had I been more into combat at that point, as opposed to trading, I'd have stuck with it longer I think.
 
I ran mine stock at the RES' till I could get A rated modules. But I upgraded to one from a Sidewinder. I then bought an Eagle just to have fun in a smaller ship.
 
Same thing here.

My progression was Sidewinder, then quickly swapped to Eagle, then when the Eagle was fully A-equipped I changed to a Viper. Later on, I changed to a Vulture (which is like going back to the Eagle, but with a beefier ship and guns).
 
A word of warning, hopping from the Eagle into the Viper will feel like somebody chopped both your legs AND one arm off. Then again, it'll feel even worse into any other boat. :D Except of course, the horrible Vulture.
 
If your Eagle is pretty much stock (80K isn't that much in upgrades), then buy the Viper now. It's MUCH tougher, so you'll be able to pick on bigger/more lucrative targets and build up the cash for a Cobra or Vulture. In my experience, buying a Cobra with less than about 2 or 3M total to spend (trade-in and cash) isn't really worth it. The Viper is hard as nails stock, but the Cobra needs beefed up from the work go. If you're a combat junkie, then work up to a Vulture. 10-12M for one with lots of nice kit on it. It's such an amazing ship to fight in. Not as fast as a Viper, or as good looking as a Clipper, but it just works.
 
I got a Viper after spending time in an Eagle... It's a fun move.I still want to A rate everything on the Eagle and keep it around for fun, and I'll be looking to do the same to the Viper too. Having a full set of A rated bounty hunting ships is a nice short-term goal to have.
 
If your intention is pure combat then yes - go for it. I jumped from an Eagle to a Viper when the Eagle was pretty pimped up already (500k value) and I immediately loved it. I spent about 420k total on my first Viper (purchase and loadout) and absolutely loved it. The step up from the Eagle was immediately noticeable even at that relatively low price point. Of course, if you want to do anything other than combat then the Viper has some drawbacks....
 
How is a medium upgraded eagle compared to a Stock Viper?
An eagle will be better than a bone stock viper.
If you put some weapons on it a good distributor and any upgrade on the shield the viper will stomp it and almost any npc's.
Put more money into it and anacondas are a cake walk in a viper.
 
Hey!

My question is the following: I'm thinking on moving to a Viper from an Eagle. I only spent around 80k to the Eagle. Is it a good idea to buy a Viper this early? I have 440k Cr in stash. Thanks!

A viper with all D equipment is pretty good for what it costs, except for its jump range.
Its a pretty different type of ship though. The eagle has an excellent pitch, just pull up and you will be able to line up your target.

The viper has a pretty bad pitch rate, but it has excellent vertical and lateral thrusters. If you don't use its thrusters the viper is just horrible compared to the eagle or cobra, most people that don't like the viper don't use the thrusters.

Personally I'd get into a viper right now, why have you waited until you have 440k :)
 
Just remember that you'll lose some stuff when switching to the Viper, and you'll only recover some of them in the Vulture:

- The Viper is faster but it has less maneuverability. That means it runs faster in a straight line and boosts faster, but it's not as good in tight turns (gets out-turned by the Eagle, Sidewinder, Adder and Vulture, but other than that, it can outmaneuver anything else. Plus, NPCs aren't good at using the maneuvering sweet spots, so you can even tackle Eagles without much trouble, specially with gimbaled guns). If you progress to the Vulture later, you'll notice that it performs quite similar to the Eagle in the maneuverability, specially in pitch/roll.

- The canopy is MUCH smaller and restricts your vertical view. Plus, a canopy breach will shatter most of your visible AR-HUD (which is projected on the glass), so you'll have to navigate by instruments until you repair the glass. Also, it's incredibly prone to breaching, despite being tighter than the Eagle and Vulture's canopies. The Vulture corrects most of these issues with reinforcement beams that contain the breach to a much smaller area, plus the canopy has a huge vertical visibility.

- If you like "looks", you'll be disappointed with the Viper's interior. The Eagle has that "sports car" feel, but the Viper is as spartan as it can be. Lots of bare metal, most of it scratched due to prolonged use. The internal lights are simple and nothing is specially pretty. It's simply functional. Again, Vulture reverts this (mainly because it's made by Core Dynamics, same manufacturer of the Eagle), with one of the sportiest interiors of all ships.
 
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A viper with all D equipment is pretty good for what it costs, except for its jump range.
Its a pretty different type of ship though. The eagle has an excellent pitch, just pull up and you will be able to line up your target.

The viper has a pretty bad pitch rate, but it has excellent vertical and lateral thrusters. If you don't use its thrusters the viper is just horrible compared to the eagle or cobra, most people that don't like the viper don't use the thrusters.

Personally I'd get into a viper right now, why have you waited until you have 440k :)

Basically, as soon as you can afford to put 2 class 2 and 2 class 1 weapons on it, the Viper is superior.

Fair warning: the Viper is harder to fly. It will be a challenge until you master it (but it is an excellent fighter once you do)

Fair warning 2: The Viper's stock jump range is abysmal. Buy it in an area with lots of nearby systems.
 
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How is a medium upgraded eagle compared to a Stock Viper?

The biggest difference is the base shield value. The Viper's is double the Eagles. Take into account that otherwise the module size etc. is pretty similar apart from Power, and a base Viper will take you much further with the big weapon mounts. As soon as you start to take out ships without losing Shields, you start making money fast, gain rank fast, and generally can hang around fighting for longer. The Eagle will regularly get into scrapes it can't survive without taking damage despite its speed and agility. Simplest thing to do would be to strip your Eagle down and trade-in for a Viper. If you feel uncomfortable, trade back. You'll lose 8,000Cr max, and will probably have made that just trying it out. If you strip off upgrades, you lose 10% of the ship value trading in. :)
 
As soon as I could fit A-rating Reactor, Power Coupling and Thrusters (and a better shield), and could fit two Class-1 gimballed Muticannons and two Class-2 fixed Beam Lasers, I could tackle mostly anything in my Viper (except maybe Condas because of the wet-paper canopy).

Just mind you, I forgot to mention it, the Viper is even more prone to overheating than the Eagle. You're switching from 3 Class-1 weapons to 4 weapons, 2 of them being Class-2, and the Viper doesn't dissipate heat better than the Eagle. The tri-Beam configuration that I used on my old Eagle just wouldn't work on the Viper. I had to switch the Class-1 guns to gimballed multicannons so the cabin wouldn't burst into flames every time I shot for a couple seconds.
 
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Above (post by TriumphANT) is the best advice ever. Don't be afraid of experimenting with different ships. If you sell equipment before trading in the ship, you financial loss is negligible. Changing ships is, at least for me, one of the best elements of this game. At some point you can afford more than one ship and buy back all of them you abandoned earlier.

Anyways, the Viper is in my eyes one of the best early ships to aim at. I was very long in mine and occasionally love to hop back in one, while I never looked back at the Eagle after upgrading it to the Viper. With D/C equipment the Viper is good enough for a start. A fully equipped A grade Viper is a beast. The price may sound enormous first, but you will have the money in no time to upgrade your ship. If fighting ever gets boring, get an Adder and look into rare goods trading, just for a change (something the Viper is not suitable for).
 
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