See, THAT's why I don't play Open.

[Armour]

Players don't have to follow the rules of the game.

No.

However, in a so-called "simulation of a living galaxy" you would expect that players who do the in-game equivalent of walking around a toy store randomly shooting kids in the face would eventually run into some quite severe resistance from law enforcement. Right now, all they need to do is deal with something less formidable than Paul Blart: Mall Cop, armed with little more than a disapproving look. They can then just walk out of that store, walk into the next one, pay what amounts to the equivalent of some library late fees, reload, rinse and repeat. It's laughably bad.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

We were talking relatively, and about motivation of actions.

You can easily invent your own motives for him. He could even just be a crazy killer how just did it for fun.

 

[Leper Messiah]

How do psycho killers break the games logic? Humans are illogical in real life, so people not adhering to decency and fair playonlymakes the game more logical. In real life people get killed randomly all the time.

Because a lot of Psycho killers get taken out and or put away for life. Continuing your analogy of real life then players who play as Phsyco killers should eventualy have the risk of losing their place in the game and be banned for 20-30 years?

What breaks the logic of the game is the ineffective legal deterrents.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

No.

However, in a so-called "simulation of a living galaxy" you would expect that players who do the in-game equivalent of walking around a toy store randomly shooting kids in the face would eventually run into some quite severe resistance from law enforcement. Right now, all they need to do is deal with something less formidable than Paul Blart: Mall Cop, armed with little more than a disapproving look. They can then just walk out of that store, walk into the next one, pay what amounts to the equivalent of some library late fees, reload, rinse and repeat. It's laughably bad.

Agreed but that doesn't have anything to do with their motivations.

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Because a lot of Psycho killers get taken out and or put away for life. Continuing your analogy of real life then players who play as Phsyco killers should eventualy have the risk of losing their place in the game and be banned for 20-30 years?

What breaks the logic of the game is the ineffective legal deterrents.

It's a video game, one that allows you to play as a killer or pirate. Some liberty has to be taken to make the game fun. How much fun would it be if you had to wipe your save anytime you get caught doing illegal acts?

 

[vizvayu]

No.

However, in a so-called "simulation of a living galaxy" you would expect that players who do the in-game equivalent of walking around a toy store randomly shooting kids in the face would eventually run into some quite severe resistance from law enforcement. Right now, all they need to do is deal with something less formidable than Paul Blart: Mall Cop, armed with little more than a disapproving look. They can then just walk out of that store, walk into the next one, pay what amounts to the equivalent of some library late fees, reload, rinse and repeat. It's laughably bad.

I completely agree with you. I created a new thread to discuss some changes very much related to this issues. Here's the link:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=138944

 

[Red Zodiac]

Not everyone has to be Nice in Open Play, this latest influx of "oh mummy someone interdicted and killed me last night when I was minding my own business..." <insert baby crying here> threads are simply pathetic, it's called Elite: Dangerous.....for the thousandth time the clue is in the title of the game!
Don't like the risk? play Solo....problem solved!

If everyone in the Galaxy was Nice and Polite then it'd be a very boring place to be, accept and expect danger and stop whining people!

Sounds like whiners, of the first party, whining about whiners, of the second party! Sounds par for the course!

 

[Leper Messiah]

It's a video game, one that allows you to play as a killer or pirate. Some liberty has to be taken to make the game fun. How much fun would it be if you had to wipe your save anytime you get caught doing illegal acts?

oh the "it's a game" thing....see the problem with that is when other HUMANS with feelings are involved. Then it's a bit more than just a GAME.

I'm not playing the game in anyway that would be deemed illegal, but it's rich when those wanting to play illegally then don't want the law and order part of the game beefed up.

Playing "baddy stylee" SHOULD be the hardest way to play the game, right now it sounds like a walk in the park and stealing babies sweets.

 

[Riktar]

It's a video game, one that allows you to play as a killer or pirate. Some liberty has to be taken to make the game fun. How much fun would it be if you had to wipe your save anytime you get caught doing illegal acts?

About as much fun as starting over because you got killed before you started.

And if you want to reply with the difference about $$$ difference between newbies and veterans then you are letting money trump principle.

 

[SteveLaw]

How do psycho killers break the games logic? Humans are illogical in real life, so people not adhering to decency and fair playonlymakes the game more logical. In real life people get killed randomly all the time.

Randomly and deliberately? I disagree.

 

[Riktar]

,,,,,,, it's rich when those wanting to play illegally then don't want the law and order part of the game beefed up.

Playing "baddy stylee" SHOULD be the hardest way to play the game, right now it sounds like a walk in the park and stealing babies sweets.

Agreed but with a twist: Stealing candy from a baby should be easy by itself. Its the incoming Holy Hell that will rain down upon you that should be the "hard" deterrent.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

About as much fun as starting over because you keep got killed before you started.

And if you want to reply with the difference about $$$ difference between newbies and veterans then you are letting money trump principle.

You never have to start over unless you make the idiotic choice to fly without insurance. All you pay is 5% of your ship's cost and any cargo or bonds/bounties you lost. It's a dangerous universe it's not up to others to protect you, it's up to you to protect you.

oh the "it's a game" thing....see the problem with that is when other HUMANS with feelings are involved. Then it's a bit more than just a GAME.

I'm not playing the game in anyway that would be deemed illegal, but it's rich when those wanting to play illegally then don't want the law and order part of the game beefed up.

Playing "baddy stylee" SHOULD be the hardest way to play the game, right now it sounds like a walk in the park and stealing babies sweets.

I agree, I want the police ai buffed as much as anyone, they are too weak as it stands. I even say that as a career pirate, I look forward to the challenge.

Strong cops you have to be wary of, fun.
Getting caught and wiping your save, not fun.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Agreed but with a twist: Stealing candy from a baby should be easy by itself. Its the incoming Holy Hell that will rain down upon you that should be the "hard" deterrent.

Yup and most PvPers seem to just want the candy stealing to have no meaningful repercussions. I'm defo suspecting most are all mouth no trousers.

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You never have to start over unless you make the idiotic choice to fly without insurance. All you pay is 5% of your ship's cost and any cargo or bonds/bounties you lost. It's a dangerous universe it's not up to others to protect you, it's up to you to protect you.

It's Dangerous but it shouldn't be Dangerous EVERYWHERE!! Some systems should be safe and Anarchies should be dangerous

I agree, I want the police ai buffed as much as anyone, they are too weak as it stands. I even say that as a career pirate, I look forward to the challenge.

Strong cops you have to be wary of, fun.
Getting caught and wiping your save, not fun.

fair enough, RP PvPers do seem to understand things better than the COD Generation ADD brigade.

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Randomly and deliberately? I disagree.

Are you living in a bubble? People get killed randomly and deliberately all the time. Terrorism, people who snap and go on a killing spree.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Are you living in a bubble? People get killed randomly and deliberately all the time. Terrorism, people who snap and go on a killing spree.

Randomly...hmmm nope I agree with SteveLaw, most homocide is not random it is motivated. Terrorism is motivated, people who snap tend to target the people who made them snap.

Random stuff is rare and the realm of true phsychopathic/sociopathic behaviour. The majority of random killings are probably accidental.

 

[Riktar]

You never have to start over unless you make the idiotic choice to fly without insurance. All you pay is 5% of your ship's cost and any cargo or bonds/bounties you lost. It's a dangerous universe it's not up to others to protect you, it's up to you to protect you.



I agree, I want the police ai buffed as much as anyone, they are too weak as it stands. I even say that as a career pirate, I look forward to the challenge.

Strong cops you have to be wary of, fun.
Getting caught and wiping your save, not fun.

I agree and applaud your want for better police. And I KNOW about insurance. I never fly without it.

I am talking about getting wiped out by some butthead who is getting his jollies from killing new players who have to "start over". From a new players perspective it's not about "money".

How bout this: You are an accomplished player who performs his craft as a pirate quite well. Now let's assume (although unlikely) 4 players band together with their Anaconda's and make it their "goal of fun" for the night to blow you to smithereens every time you try to leave a dock/station/whatever. Having insurance will only carry you so far before you realize that staying in open is just gonna drain your pockets til you have nothing left.

Additionally adding that the only consequence they face is running into a dock to rinse and repeat by paying a paltry fine.

 

[digitalcommunist]

If AI police had teeth and could kill players who break the law like this then there would be far fewer threads about people getting ganked in open

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

It's Dangerous but it shouldn't be Dangerous EVERYWHERE!! Some systems should be safe and Anarchies should be dangerous

As long as you mean, some systems should be safer not completely safe.

Unless there's some massive changes to anarchy systems, no pirate with a brain will ever choose to operate there. I'd rather have a difficult time getting a lot of money, than an easy time getting very little money.

 

[mossfoot]

Sounds like you would be a good candidate for Ironman.

in that you have an escape pod, IF you use it in time (assuming you choose to equip one and lose cargo space) you get the same insurance you do now. If not... you die and you either wipe your character or get banned from ironman.

Not sure if this is just delayed or was one of the things which is permanently cut from the game.

It's not in game yet, but in the meantime you can play Ironman in the honor system (you blow up you start over).

However, since we DO have escape pods and automatically use them, I came up with this as an alternative for those who think there should be some risk when ejecting:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=107694

Basically you always eject, but whether you survive to be rescued is another matter - also whether your insurance company honors your claim

 

[Leper Messiah]

As long as you mean, some systems should be safer not completely safe.

Unless there's some massive changes to anarchy systems, no pirate with a brain will ever choose to operate there. I'd rather have a difficult time getting a lot of money, than an easy time getting very little money.

Safer in as much as authority response on the appropriate scale. I'd maybe like to see a system like GTA's where minor crimes get a certain level of response but the more crime a player does or severity of crime (PKing) brings out the highest stars (maybe even a battleship hops in!) and the criminal has the mother lode of all battles to get away!

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

I agree and applaud your want for better police. And I KNOW about insurance. I never fly without it.

I am talking about getting wiped out by some butthead who is getting his jollies from killing new players who have to "start over". From a new players perspective it's not about "money".

How bout this: You are an accomplished player who performs his craft as a pirate quite well. Now let's assume (although unlikely) 4 players band together with their Anaconda's and make it their "goal of fun" for the night to blow you to smithereens every time you try to leave a dock/station/whatever. Having insurance will only carry you so far before you realize that staying in open is just gonna drain your pockets til you have nothing left.

Additionally adding that the only consequence they face is running into a dock to rinse and repeat by paying a paltry fine.

New players still don't lose money, the sidewinder doesn't have any insurance costs, unless you upgrade it and even then it's will still be insanely cheap.

It's not really possible to camp a station. Since in most stations the no fire zone reaches further than the mass lock.

If you mean camp a system well than you can just go to on of the other 400 billion star systems.