An Open letter

Dear Mr. Braben,


First of all, I'd like to thank you for making such an amazing game. I've been waiting for a game like this for a long time, and now thanks to Elite Dangerous that wait is finally over.


I'll do my best to keep this letter as short as possible, as I don't want to take much of your time.


The reason I'm writting this, is because I'm worried about the path the community of the game is taking.
This is a new game, so the community is also new. Right now we have many reports of gratuitous violence, both inside and outside the game (both cases are important since it's the same community after all). And this is only getting worst. Right now it's the time to do something. This is a new community, it's starting to grow... and how it ends up is mostly up to you. This is the time to plant the seeds for a healthy community, before it's too late (see what happened to EVE Online). We need rules, and we need some way to enforce those rules. Right now the security in all systems is virtually non-existant. Maybe a few small system security ships in RES or around the stations, but that's about it. And getting away from those ships is too easy. So the only thing an outlaw has to do is to supercruise to the nearest station and throw some change to pay for his bounty... and that's it. He's free to do whatever he wants, wherever he wants, to anyone he wants once again.
Besides that, we have a divided community. Splitted between Solo, Groups and Open play. So we are practically going from one extreme to the other... either we play alone or in a small group, or we get ganked anywhere and anytime just because "It's open". That doesn't feel right to me. We need safe areas in Open play for people who want's to play PvE cooperatively with others but is not interested in PvP. We need better security. We need sensible consequences for all actions. And we need all of those things now; this is the time to make those changes since the community is just starting to grow. Later it will be too late.


As an example: Just yesterday I was hunting pirates in a RES. I was alone for about an hour, but then a wing of three came, all of them clean. But after a few minutes all of them started to shoot at me at the same time, for no reason at all. It was a lose-lose situation. I had to escape to avoid loosing my ship, and they had to escape too because they were wanted now, and the system security ships started to shoot at them. BUT for them getting back to an empty RES was easy. All they had to do was go to the nearest station, pay a few credits (a lot less than they get for killing a wanted Sidewinder) and go back to the RES. That's it.
Now let's put this in perspective. I was clean. I am a Viscount of the Empire. I was in a high tech Empire system. And even taking all that in account, this still feels like the far west. In my opinion something is missing here since these antisocial actions have no consequences at all.


Thank you very much for your time and again for making such a great game.
 
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As an example: Just yesterday I was hunting pirates in a RES. I was alone for about an hour, but then a wing of three came, all of them clean. But after a few minutes all of them started to shoot at me at the same time, for no reason at all. It was a loose-loose situation. I had to escape to avoid loosing my ship, and they had to escape too because they were wanted now, and the system security ships started to shoot at them. BUT for them getting back to an empty RES was easy. All they had to do was go to the nearest station, pay a few credits (a lot less than they get for killing a wanted Sidewinder) and go back to the RES. That's it.
Now let's put this in perspective. I was clean. I am a Viscount of the Empire. I was in a high tech Empire system. And even taking all that in account, this still feels like the far west. In my opinion something is missing here since these antisocial actions have no consequences at all.
The Wild West suffered from lack of law enforcement due to (among other things) low number of law enforcement officials that were responsible for HUGE territories.

Elite is opposite that: Plenty of security in numbers, but not in action.

Wild West? Maybe, but with Keystone Cops law enforcement policies,,,,,,,

IE: Let scumbags murder for fun and hold out your hand for the "fine" that goes with it, but "shoot on site" for spittin' on sidewalks.
 
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What "many reports of gratuitous violence ... outside the game" are you talking about? I've yet to hear about anyone getting beaten up in real life on account of this game.
 
What "many reports of gratuitous violence ... outside the game" are you talking about? I've yet to hear about anyone getting beaten up in real life on account of this game.

It did make the letter sound more dramatic though. I love open letters. It's like reading Dear Diary.

The op has a valid point. But it's hardly an original one; everyone, including the devs, are aware. There's this great big thread stuck at the top of the forum about it.
 
Don't loose faith, OP, the game will evolve and those looosers will soon loooose interest in acting like that. So relax and losen up a bit.
 
One thing Eve Online does is show how dangerous an area is.... if you go out into the badlands of 0.0 lawless areas you know to keep your eye out... In 10.0 you can leave your ship in space and go and have a coffee and know it's safe due to the cops watching over you.

In Elite though it's 0.0 except in the No-Fire-Zones. I hope Powerplay sorts this out.
 
What "many reports of gratuitous violence ... outside the game" are you talking about? I've yet to hear about anyone getting beaten up in real life on account of this game.

I stubbed my toe once getting up for a cup of tea whilst playing ED, does that count?
 
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I agree, Having some sort of concord esc thing would definitely make open more enticing .... also the fine for murder on a commander should really be over 100k atleast
 
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If you want pve go solo, if you want pve with others find a private group. Don't make open less than what it is. The wild west was an exciting place of opportunity as well as danger.
 
The only think I not sure is ok with this game is the consequences for commanders being killed for LOLZ is far worse for the than it its is for the perpetrators of the crime. The victims lose their ship and have to pay, in a lot of cases is well over a million credits to get it back and the criminals get a small fine. if this game was only open play it would have lost a large percentage of players by now.
 
So we want to change a pvp game? Play closed if you dont want threats...this thread is pointless complaining about pvp which is normal in vijeo games
 

Nonya

Banned
Oh please, no more comments about Elite: Dangerous being "The Wild West". If you look at the actual facts (i.e. actual history) "The Wild West" really wasn't all that wild at all.
Folks think that everywhere in the 1850s-1900s there were shootings and killings going on in the streets of every town, village, city, and crossroads west of the Mississippi.
The truth is far from that because the consequences of killing someone in cold blood were truly dire - you were hung or shot if you did that.
More banks were robbed in 2010 than in that entire 50-year period. Instead criminals during that time period preferred trains and stagecoaches - i.e. "cargo ships".
And there were more gun control laws in place by 1875 than exist in America today. And the violent crime rate in America has been falling a lot in the last 10 years.
"The Wild West" was created by book and magazine publishers that churned out fictional tales of derring-do and dastardly deeds west of the Mississippi in order to make a lot of money off dumb Yankees in the Northeast part of the U.S.
Which they did. They made a ton of money off those things. And according to the latest "50 Shades of Grey" sales numbers, they still do.

If anything, Elite: Dangerous is a reflection of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc. Violent, brutal, merciless, and short. Definitely NOT "The Wild West".
The only thing missing in Elite: Dangerous right now is a suicidal religion which I don't think Frontier is going to touch with a 10-foot pole.
 
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As an example: Just yesterday I was hunting pirates in a RES. I was alone for about an hour, but then a wing of three came, all of them clean. But after a few minutes all of them started to shoot at me at the same time, for no reason at all. It was a loose-loose situation..

It's in the game title.

Elite: Dangerous :)

I don't really get these problems as I'm so far away from the core systems that it's rare that I ever bump into other players. I enjoy it when I do though!
 

Nonya

Banned
It's in the game title.

Elite: Dangerous :)

I don't really get these problems as I'm so far away from the core systems that it's rare that I ever bump into other players. I enjoy it when I do though!
Yup, I think you're on to something there. The "core" systems around Lave and Sol are lousy with neer-do-wells. Once you get out of there and further into Fed/Alliance/Fed space or beyond those antics are few and far between.
Take Empire space for example: I've never seen this stuff near the Empire home system of Achenar.
 
Let me get this straight; Rather than the current 'wild west' feel of the game where nobody is safe anywhere you think we should have powerful npc law enforcement in high sec systems who respond with extreme prejudice to any instance on criminality? Stop trying to turn this game into EVE man.

But seriously, you are really over egging the pudding, as they say in those bake off programs.
 
The only thing missing in Elite: Dangerous right now is a suicidal religion which I don't think Frontier is going to touch with a 10-foot pole.

Hey! Leave Christianity out of it.

On topic: They're still working on the balance. It isn't quite right from what I hear though I've had no trouble in Open at all. Unless I was in a conflict zone and that was fair enough.
 
I am happy with the current arrangement.
If I want to grind cargo runs for cash safely, I'll play private.
If I want to roam with my buds looking for excitement and adventure, I'll play open.

"The American West" by Dee Brown is a cracking read about that period. I recommend it.
 
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