Listen closely to this man, and do the exact opposite of what he says.
Elite Dangerous is easily the best space sim I've ever played.
So..... is it worth it?
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Listen closely to this man, and do the exact opposite of what he says.
Elite Dangerous is easily the best space sim I've ever played.
I couldn't wait for this game to be released... so many fond memories playing back in 1986.
Installed in mid-December, the day it was released. Bought a new ThrustMaster Warthog just for the full-on experience.
And since around Feb 21, have not played it since. I miss it for about 5 mins every month. Other than that... not really.
So unfinished... so many arbitrary game-changes by devs... and so disappointing.
I'll be selling my Thrustmaster on Ebay... PM me if you're interested.
thorn
Installed in mid-December, the day it was released. Bought a new ThrustMaster Warthog just for the full-on experience.
And since around Feb 21, have not played it since. I miss it for about 5 mins every month. Other than that... not really.
So unfinished... so many arbitrary game-changes by devs... and so disappointing.
I'll be selling my Thrustmaster on Ebay... PM me if you're interested.
thorn
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Pssst...that was EvE.
Read carefully, Commander!
Come to think of it: white knight or dev? Even fanbois can get upset at times. ^-^
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Hi all,
I'm really sorry to ask what is probably a silly (and already asked question) but..... is this game worth it?
I can not see a demo anywhere so I wanted to ask before I spend the £40 in purchasing it.
Watch a few videos but its the name that has brought me here. First had Elite on the Acorn Electron and then a few other versions. Also, until recently (due to lack of time) been a massive EvE fan.
Will these two previous experiences bear any semblance in this game?
What are the controls? mouse (acorn used to be WASD
How long does it take to get out there and PvP?
Regards
LAM
I'd say, in actuality, it's almost nothing like EVE except in the setting. EVE (at least the older EVE I recall from years ago, I don't know if it's changed recently) was very much an RPG in space - it emphasized building the skills of your character. Elite is more like an action game in space - it emphasizes building the piloting skills of the player. The games that it's most like, apart from the earlier Elite games, would be something like Wing Commander: Privateer. The combat in this game resembles aerial dogfighting, and the trade and economy is far simpler than EVE.
Mouse and keyboard are possible, but joystick is strongly recommended.
As to how long to get out there and PvP - well, as long as you want it to be. The starter ship (the Sidewinder) is hardly great at PvP, but against other small ships you could do it, and you really have nothing to lose whatsoever if you haven't upgraded the ship. The other major combat ships are the Viper and the Vulture. You could get a stock Viper in a handful of hours if you knew what you were doing (and that's a real trick - the game won't hold your hand at all), to get a top-end Vulture would probably realistically take twenty or thirty hours more, although an experienced player with solid combat skills could probably do it in half that time..
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Remiel
Banned
I defended this game a LOT when it first released. If there's a way to go through my forum post history, you can and see for yourself. I felt it had potential, and still do in many ways, but as it is, after being available for a fair while now, no, I don't feel like it's worth it anymore, especially if the development team continue to pander to the lowest common denominator of casual gamers. I say that, however, in reference to what I consider spending my money on, and OP, in all fairness, what you and I, or what you and anyone else on here considers 'worth it' could well be too different to bank on. I would suggest it's not worth it to you because you haven't tried it yet, and that's a huge problem with games today. Ten to fifteen years ago, you could buy a floppy disc from your local post office for five bucks with a full game on it, but it had a time limit, and you could experience a lot of the game in that time unrestricted, but when the timer ran out, the software would lock, delete any saved material you had from the game, and ask you to purchase it fair and square if you wanted to keep playing.
People don't do demos so much any more. I've played EVE for over three years now and have become somewhat well known to various in-game circles as Remiel Pollard, and I can say hands down that even the free trial for EVE is not really enough to cover the scope of what you're getting yourself into. Although, I'm not sure any demo could ever be enough for EVE. On that note, EVE and Elite are only comparable insomuch as they are space games. Some salty people will say "ELITE IS BETTER!" without hesitation but only because they never fully grasped the true player-driven nature of EVE, where every choice you make has the potential to have consequences for someone else. Because nothing there is instanced, nothing at all, and every mission you warp to can be warped to by someone else. Every NPC you shoot at can be shot by someone else, and even if you legally get the kill, they can still steal your loot from it. Every aspect of that game is 'every man for himself' and the very nature of EVE is bound to make someone very salty. It's not a game for everyone, you really do need to be quite secure with yourself emotionally to play it.
Whereas here, you're largely cocooned from that by instancing and other game mechanics. This game caters to a much more casual crowd by virtue of that, and there's nothing wrong with that but I, personally, prefer games that confer some meaning to choices and consequences, which this game seems to lack in spades. At the end of the day though, my personal opinion of worth stands - don't pay for it til you've tried it, it's never worth the permanent loss of your own hard earned cash if it turns out too late that you don't like it.
People don't do demos so much any more. I've played EVE for over three years now and have become somewhat well known to various in-game circles as Remiel Pollard, and I can say hands down that even the free trial for EVE is not really enough to cover the scope of what you're getting yourself into. Although, I'm not sure any demo could ever be enough for EVE. On that note, EVE and Elite are only comparable insomuch as they are space games. Some salty people will say "ELITE IS BETTER!" without hesitation but only because they never fully grasped the true player-driven nature of EVE, where every choice you make has the potential to have consequences for someone else. Because nothing there is instanced, nothing at all, and every mission you warp to can be warped to by someone else. Every NPC you shoot at can be shot by someone else, and even if you legally get the kill, they can still steal your loot from it. Every aspect of that game is 'every man for himself' and the very nature of EVE is bound to make someone very salty. It's not a game for everyone, you really do need to be quite secure with yourself emotionally to play it.
Whereas here, you're largely cocooned from that by instancing and other game mechanics. This game caters to a much more casual crowd by virtue of that, and there's nothing wrong with that but I, personally, prefer games that confer some meaning to choices and consequences, which this game seems to lack in spades. At the end of the day though, my personal opinion of worth stands - don't pay for it til you've tried it, it's never worth the permanent loss of your own hard earned cash if it turns out too late that you don't like it.
I think it is. I am having a blast and I haven't even been in open or a wing m I am easy to please do, lol.
Bullet
Bullet
Get it! It'll blow your mind if you even slightly like science fiction or flight games.
Fair warning though, Elite Dangerous is like crack... gets addictive
Fair warning though, Elite Dangerous is like crack... gets addictive
I played this game from the boonies of Oklahoma. I found it in a software store in Tulsa. It was not a featured game, it was sort of off to the side, but I found it. All it took was a few minutes reading the back and the game was on the way home with me.
I just needed to look for it.
I guess my reason would be I don't want people to come here and just see all the sugar coated good opinions but the negative opinions as well so they can make an informed choice. I would have sold the game to someone else if I had the lack of scruples to subject someone else to the waste of money I believe this to be. I have tried to speak to support on the various reasons I have to get a refund and would be glad to leave and never mention this game on another forum if I did, but that don't seem possible. Things like the offline mode and the flag skin have shown this company should not be supported or trusted.
What. Doesn't everyone hang out and post in the forums of games they don't like?
It's not like there's anything better to do.
Yet, EvE players also will know their game is very very niched, so niched it can barely keep operating at times with all the player revolts, too (Burn Jita, anyone?). It's like the red-light district in gaming and kept in it's own corner, and it's players are considered sociopaths due to it all.
For 11 years all any gamer has had for a space sim has been EvE. But EvE's one-size-fits all niched game play is too strict for too many players, and it asks gamers to be too one game specific to play it (e.g., enjoy dying). Gamers been asking for a non-EvE alternative for years so they can enjoy playing a space sim but by conventional gaming rules (like dying isn't worthwhile, it hurts and not something to brag about -- "I lost a 100 billion credit/ISK/gold ship today. But I'm happy!!!" does not compute to gamers with scoreboards and armories to track their every move. If I die, not only my realm will know, 7 million others can too. Wonderful incentive to NOT to die!!!).
It's a clash of two specific game ideals, yet most gamers won't play by EvE's rules. They're not all "casual" they can be super "hardcore", but will never get around that dying culture (for example: I play a Holy paladin in WoW, no way will dying be acceptable. Plate healer, that heals the biggest damage, and with a quick hearth! Invincible).
[video=youtube;NRMGp3P_Tc8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMGp3P_Tc8[/video]
(Do you actually think someone with that many counters WANTS to die???)
I bought ED as the alternative to EvE. Not because I'm "softcore" or a "carebear" or whatever the death cult wants to call it. I got ED to play something DIFFERENT. Different from WoW. Different from EvE. But with something that I always loved (stars, plenty of stars to view) and just want to get lost in space with 100000000000000000000001 songs. I careless about the PvP or the trading or any other "what sales" -- as I'm not coming back "home". If the SUPERCRUISE wasn't so BORING (and my cockpit so blank), I wouldn't even be here on the forums as this isn't why I bought the game for (another game site with all their pesky rules and social cliques and more. Seen everything these sites offer from trolling devs; screaming admins and worse, and I'm frankly sick of it all).
Anyone wanting to buy ED: it's an unfinished proposition that you'll have to decide if it's worthwhile for you. $60 is worth it for me for the exploration and it's star catalog. But for the PvPer or the PvEr, research and ask the hard questions.
Play the game how you like to play, not because some EvE player says so or WoW player says so (and frankly WHO CARES!!!).
Oh, and to answer if it's worth it - the only problem I have is that I keep buying expensive PC components because I enjoy this game so much and want to make it even more enjoyable - first a HOTAS, next an Oculus Rift, now I'm thinking about buying two new video cards for SLI and improved Rift performance...
This is basically the game I've waited almost twenty years for, since the near death of the space combat genre in the late 1990s.
This is basically the game I've waited almost twenty years for, since the near death of the space combat genre in the late 1990s.
Remiel
Banned
Yes, it's a niche game. No, CCP are not struggling. You make it sound like Burn Jita is a daily occurrence. It happened once, in 2011, due to outrage at the Incarna expansion, which CCP very rapidly fixed. For the record, even after the immediate loss of subs following Incarna, the year that the expansion was released showed a gross increase in subscriptions, as has every other year the game has existed. For a sub based game that is older than WoW to continue showing growth, niche or not, they must be doing something right. Call it what you will, but blowing crap outta proportion is disingenuous at best.
Here's my advice.
Read the Ars Technica review of Elite: Dangerous. <--- This is a link to it.
It details the games merits and flaws very well, and presents a pretty balanced portrait.
That said, some of those flaws are getting fixed in 1.3, it looks like, which should be... relatively soon. Notably the overhaul of the mission system (which definitely does need it), the addition of Powerplay to add more context to players' actions in the galaxy, new options for ship loadouts, and so on.
But it's still going to be basically the same game. If the Ars Technica review makes you think, "Hell, yeah, I want to play that!" then go for it. If it makes you think, "Eh, I'm not sure," then maybe wait until 1.3 comes out and you can get some feedback from players on the changes. If it makes you think, "Nope, not for me," then it's probably not for you.
Personally, I think it's completely awesome, but I am very much this game's target audience (aside from never having had the pleasure of playing the original).
Read the Ars Technica review of Elite: Dangerous. <--- This is a link to it.
It details the games merits and flaws very well, and presents a pretty balanced portrait.
That said, some of those flaws are getting fixed in 1.3, it looks like, which should be... relatively soon. Notably the overhaul of the mission system (which definitely does need it), the addition of Powerplay to add more context to players' actions in the galaxy, new options for ship loadouts, and so on.
But it's still going to be basically the same game. If the Ars Technica review makes you think, "Hell, yeah, I want to play that!" then go for it. If it makes you think, "Eh, I'm not sure," then maybe wait until 1.3 comes out and you can get some feedback from players on the changes. If it makes you think, "Nope, not for me," then it's probably not for you.
Personally, I think it's completely awesome, but I am very much this game's target audience (aside from never having had the pleasure of playing the original).
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Let me quote a timeless classic that is of course Eric Cartman: "Totallee."
My advice: Go find some lets plays on Youtube. There are a few that are basically people just playing, from the start as noobs. That will show you what you're getting into, and then if you go find some highlight reels (this guy is the best: https://www.youtube.com/user/Isinona) then you'll know what the awesome moments will be like.
Just be warned that it takes patience to play this game. In that way it reminds me of EVE online. It's simulating space travel, and you're basically living the game, so it's not wall to wall action.
Just be warned that it takes patience to play this game. In that way it reminds me of EVE online. It's simulating space travel, and you're basically living the game, so it's not wall to wall action.
OP: I t would help us if you posted some game titles you like, in exactly the same way that if Frontier had a playable demo, that would help you. And there IS a playable demo in the Tutorial, only you have to buy the full game to get it.
So first, you have to have patience with the kind of developer that would give you a demo but make you pay for the game. That kind of thing seems common, although past paying your entry fee you don't have to have much further contact with the head office.
If you like FSX, Patrician, Mount & Blade, you'd probably be OK with this game.
I bought it solely because I had fond memories of the 1984 release of this game. A lot of people also have fond memories of Elite:Frontier, its sequel. Frankly, Frontier was a let-down for me.
If you have no memories at all of playing Elite, then this game will likely score lower for you.
Lastly, I wanted to buy this game on STEAM, but on release, the developers swore up and down on all they considered sacred that STEAM was off the table. See above. I'd buy this game on STEAM rather than here, and the first deep sale 75% off or so, I'll buy it again on STEAM if they don't make nice with supplying me a key. Frontier head office does some good work, but they do seem to me hell-bent on re-inventing the wheel their way: it's costly.
So first, you have to have patience with the kind of developer that would give you a demo but make you pay for the game. That kind of thing seems common, although past paying your entry fee you don't have to have much further contact with the head office.
If you like FSX, Patrician, Mount & Blade, you'd probably be OK with this game.
I bought it solely because I had fond memories of the 1984 release of this game. A lot of people also have fond memories of Elite:Frontier, its sequel. Frankly, Frontier was a let-down for me.
If you have no memories at all of playing Elite, then this game will likely score lower for you.
Lastly, I wanted to buy this game on STEAM, but on release, the developers swore up and down on all they considered sacred that STEAM was off the table. See above. I'd buy this game on STEAM rather than here, and the first deep sale 75% off or so, I'll buy it again on STEAM if they don't make nice with supplying me a key. Frontier head office does some good work, but they do seem to me hell-bent on re-inventing the wheel their way: it's costly.