So apparently this isnt hacking.

duanedibly · Apr 28, 2015

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A python instantly charges his FSD and escapes in under 10 seconds to supercruise (low wake) whilst being mass locked.
Frontier Customer support investigated and apparently the account has been investigated, and there is no evidence of hacking.

So this isnt a name a shame, the guy isnt hacking, enjoy the video.

Tarman · Apr 28, 2015

I'm not quite sure if you have enough passive-aggressiveness; the spike burnt out my meter though.

bossbrigand · Apr 28, 2015

If he's heavier than you, you aren't mass-locking him meaningfully. My own FSD has charged surprisingly quickly before. I think RNG smiled upon him today. If he was hacking you wouldn't have got his shields down in the first place.

duanedibly · Apr 28, 2015

Tarman said:
I'm not quite sure if you have enough passive-aggressiveness; the spike burnt out my meter though.

I genuinely hope you enjoyed the video

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bossbrigand said:
If he's heavier than you, you aren't mass-locking him meaningfully. My own FSD has charged surprisingly quickly before. I think RNG smiled upon him today. If he was hacking you wouldn't have got his shields down in the first place.

FDL always mass locks the python. My FDL is about as heavy as it can get. The FDL mass locks everything except the anaconda..oh and this particular python.

Briarée · Apr 28, 2015

masslock doesn't work if you choose another system as destination.

a conda couldn't masslock a sidewinder should the sidewinder desti is another system.

design flaw, but working as intended, frontier won't fix, yet another "by design" exploit......

bossbrigand · Apr 28, 2015

I've never been mass locked by a Fer de Lance. My Clipper weighs 720 tons.

duanedibly · Apr 28, 2015

Briarée said:
masslock doesn't work if you choose another system as destination.

a conda couldn't masslock a sidewinder should the sidewinder desti is another system.

design flaw, but working as intended, frontier won't fix, yet another "by design" exploit......

You will notice that he is leaving low wakes, meaning he isnt doing what you suggested, which is why I posted the video. please pay attention

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bossbrigand said:
I've never been mass locked by a Fer de Lance. My Clipper weighs 720 tons.

I best you I can mass lock you with my FDL. I bet you an anaconda full of imperial slaves I can. It has to do with the ships profile, not necessarily its mass.

Farmboy · Apr 28, 2015

Posting videos which identify another player is naming and shaming. Expect it to be removed.

Pheyes · Apr 28, 2015

Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck right, no FD thinks otherwise.

bossbrigand · Apr 28, 2015

duanedibly said:
I best you I can mass lock you with my FDL. I bet you an anaconda full of imperial slaves I can. It has to do with the ships profile, not necessarily its mass.

It's got to do with multiple factors, you're correct. "Profile" is not one of them. Weight, FSD class (of the jumping ship), and distance are all relevant, as well as I believe velocity (relative to the ship you're trying to jump away from) and FSD integrity. Odds are that Python was heavier than or almost as heavy as your FDL and likely running a pretty decent (if not top shelf) FSD.

How heavy is your FDL?

And again, if he was hacking and willing to be this blatant about it, you wouldn't have knocked out his shields at all. I can see how this is throwing up red flags to you, but Frontier's black box data seems to give them enough information.

Briarée · Apr 28, 2015

doesn't matter, masslock is not working, see my post (#5)

Farmboy said:
Posting videos which identify another player is naming and shaming. Expect it to be removed.

nope.

stated clearly here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=111267&page=3&p=1745119&viewfull=1#post1745119

now, here it seems there is no hack involved, only exploit which frontier refuse to acknowledge, so it can be stated otherwise, but i doubt it would

Loskene · Apr 28, 2015

You can't masslock a ship that's doing a hyperspace jump. Energy levels involved are orders of magnitude higher than supercruise, you'd need a starport to stop that kind of intense spacewarping.

Anarky · Apr 28, 2015

duanedibly said:
You will notice that he is leaving low wakes, meaning he isnt doing what you suggested, which is why I posted the video. please pay attention

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The speed the FSD charged up also wouldn't indicate a system jump, and there didn't appear to be any latency during the whole video.

Gj FD...

I best you I can mass lock you with my FDL. I bet you an anaconda full of imperial slaves I can. It has to do with the ships profile, not necessarily its mass.

The speed at which the FSD charged up and the ship jumped out at also would not indicate a system jump. They're pretty slow, and there didn't appear to be any latency during the video.

Gj FD...

Ancipital · Apr 28, 2015

bossbrigand said:
And again, if he was hacking and willing to be this blatant about it, you wouldn't have knocked out his shields at all. I can see how this is throwing up red flags to you, but Frontier's black box data seems to give them enough information.

One of the more popular in-process "tools" causes the shields to pop back, actually. There's not enough info to see if that's what was happening here, or if it was just cell batteries, mind.

Edit: The above is just wibble, disregard it, while pointing and laughing.

teufeldritch · Apr 28, 2015

Nothing to see here. Move along people. Just keep going about your business. Everything is fine, just fine. Move along, move along.

{SAS}Stalker · Apr 28, 2015

I'm not certain that a FDL can mass lock a Python to be honest. I don't ever remember being mass locked by one (could be wrong though).

bossbrigand · Apr 28, 2015

Ancipital said:
One of the more popular in-process "tools" causes the shields to pop back, actually.

I know - that's what I'm saying. His shields got dropped and he bailed. If he was hacking, his shields would've recharged instantly or not died to begin with.

{SAS}Stalker said:
I'm not certain that a FDL can mass lock a Python to be honest. I don't ever remember being mass locked by one (could be wrong though).

Pythons outfitted for trading can probably be light enough that an FDL can masslock them, but a combat rig is going to outweigh a Fer de Lance by a lot.

Weps · Apr 28, 2015

Ok, so if it's not an exploit, it's combat strategy and we can post it here, right? So how is it done? I too would like to be able to escape like that in my Type 9 full of precious commodities...

Ancipital · Apr 28, 2015

bossbrigand said:
I know - that's what I'm saying. His shields got dropped and he bailed. If he was hacking, his shields would've recharged instantly or not died to begin with.

Eh, you're right. I was avoiding watching the video, as they often have terrible music. Seen it now.

It's a bit odd all-round, though I don't want to jump to any conclusions, unlike the Python.

Edit: ..and the music was worse than I feared!

duanedibly · Apr 28, 2015

bossbrigand said:
It's got to do with multiple factors, you're correct. "Profile" is not one of them. Weight, FSD class (of the jumping ship), and distance are all relevant, as well as I believe velocity (relative to the ship you're trying to jump away from) and FSD integrity. Odds are that Python was heavier than or almost as heavy as your FDL and likely running a pretty decent (if not top shelf) FSD.

How heavy is your FDL?

And again, if he was hacking and willing to be this blatant about it, you wouldn't have knocked out his shields at all. I can see how this is throwing up red flags to you, but Frontier's black box data seems to give them enough information.

Add me to your friends list, ill sit next to you in normal space and you try and jump out, I bet you an anaconda full of imperial slaves the FDL will masslock the clipper, you can make it as heavy as you like. There is no scenario where a maxed FDL will not masslock a python, the same is true of the clipper.