Guy crushing ships deliverated on Gerorge Lucas station

[TriumphANT]

There are a couple of guys in a Clipper and a Cobra at GL this morning having some fun. They're using Shield Cells immediately prior to ramming I think, because I saw the blue glitter just as they hit a couple of people. Get yo Pips to SYS and fly carefully. They're not being very merciful, let's say...

Is this reportable? It strikes me they're not doing anything outside of the current rules, but it's hardly nice to be LOLing about "another player down"? I won't say the "g" word.

 

[gooddoc]

Because "whining" about it may be the only or best way to show the devs that it is a serious problem.

Also, are you serious with your solution? No one should have to do anything like that to enjoy the game. Your "solution" to the problem just shows even more how much of a problem this is.

But if the DEVs are either incapable or unwilling to resolve this type of behaviour then it's up to each individual player to either 'think outside the box' & solve the problem or just keep getting your ship destroyed & moaning on the forums......i know which option i would go for

 

[LeetNoob]

Apologies if I've gotten this wrong, but you seem to be mistaken.

1.3 doesn't bring in enforced speed limits inside stations or around their no-fire zones.

Your speed will be used to determine if you are deliberately ramming other ships - that's it.

So, you'll still be able to zoom around the no-fire zone or even inside the station at speeds greater than 100m/s.

It's just that if you do this, and either have an accidental ramming, or deliberately ram, or be deliberately rammed by another player, then you will get fined.

This means that you can still be a sociopathic player and ram other ships, if you want - it's just that come 1.3, your sociopathic behaviour will - FINALLY! - have some real consequences to it.

Players who are not sociopathic, will be encouraged to fly at or just below 100m/s, if they do not want to risk being caught up in this new ramming rule.

Also bear in mind that this 100m/s speed may be altered upwards. FDEV will examine this figure during the 1.3 beta testing stage, and if necessary, will revise it upwards.

You're right, I was mistaken, from what I read I assumed it was just a speed limit that you would get shot at if you exceeded. They shoot you for loitering so that assumption wasn't completely out of the realms of possibility.
Anyway, if it's the system you describe, I can speed but if I hit something it's a crime, that seems fair to me. Thanks for clarifying for me.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

There are a couple of guys in a Clipper and a Cobra at GL this morning having some fun. They're using Shield Cells immediately prior to ramming I think, because I saw the blue glitter just as they hit a couple of people. Get yo Pips to SYS and fly carefully. They're not being very merciful, let's say...

Is this reportable? It strikes me they're not doing anything outside of the current rules, but it's hardly nice to be LOLing about "another player down"? I won't say the "g" word.

Of course it is reportable. But I seriously doubt that FD will do anything significant. One of them has been guilty of every griefing tactic in the book, and has just got a couple of minor banlets.

 

[Whiterose]

Why would anyone want to fly at more than 100m/s INSIDE a station???

Because its fun, especially in an Asp as you dont get fined for the noise pollution you cause.

 

[Fenster]

The only place I ever hear about this is at George Lucas... Why don't we just avoid this station?

I have never been there myself, and been playing since Nov.
I always play in open and have never been purposefully rammed.

My suggestion to help this, is a simple message when you come in to dock... If there has been a lot of collisions by cmdrs in the last 20ish minutes, it sends a warning message to proceed with caution. Then you can decide if it is worth it to dock.

 

[Kezzer]

I know it's a pain, but as long as you are not above the speed restriction then you will have nothing to worry about, the idiots will soon choose another way to cause disruption once they see no once is speeding, I don't particulary like the speed restriction coming into play, but until these clowns move on to another station, then just proceed with caution.

One other suggestion would be to get a group of CMDR's to barricade around them and wait it out each time these idiots come on line and perform these tactics, not the best way to use ones time, maybe someone with lots of money can buy a ship sidewinder and speed ram them.

 

[Philip Foster]

Same guys do this almost every other morning around this time. It's all they log into the game to do. One of them in a Cobra has been doing it for at least two months and he's often with a buddy in a Clipper.

Be very careful around this station.



It's vastly better solution than banishing people who are disruptive without actually cheating.

AI behavior needs to change to make these sort of practices impractical. Arbitrarily removing people because they don't happen to be playing the way you or I would like them to is far too heavy handed and does nothing to solve the problem of ridiculous AI behavior.

Over time I have learnt to safely post my Asp through the slot a lot faster than 100m/s, the whole community being nerfed for the sake of one kid who doesn't play well with others is what seems drastic to me. It'll nerf the smuggling mechanic too don't forget.

 

[hjd_uk]

So you can nudge another ship through the floor of the station and destroy it without it triggering a Wanted status?

This is not PvP, its Exploitation and griefing.

Video evidence and get the sod banned.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

So you can nudge another ship through the floor of the station and destroy it without it triggering a Wanted status?



Video evidence and get the sod banned.

IF this worked then I would agree... getting players kicked from open would for me be a way preferable idea than hobbling everybody. I have tapped a few CMDRs when docking/leaving, no harm done, and a quick "sorry" from both parties and on we go. (sod AI I do not worry for them ) but a number of players have had multiple complaints made and FD, for what ever reason, have decided not to kick them.

so we have what we have. You know, I am pretty much close to giving up. So long as we have Mobius group, and so long as I can freely go into open, or my mates who play in open go into private, when I choose to play with them, then I may just give up on open and make do with what we have. I have not been in open much this last few months anyway. At 1st this saddened me, but the longer it goes on the less i miss it to be honest.

A "forgive" option would be nice however for minor collisions.... a quick message you have been involved in a collision, do you want to press charges y/n would do me.
Hopefully the devs know what they are doing and this is not going to make things worse rather than better.

 

[Iskariot]

How can someone do this in side an station
he crush any ship that get inside the station
i thouth that was an accident the fist time. but now is the second time that he destoy my cobra just ccrushing it.
THIS IS UNFAIR

The mere fact that FD has not already banned this guy for life must mean this is the kind of gameplay they want in open.
They must know who he is and on his youtube channel you will find mostly videos of him griefing others.
This person should have been thrown out of open a long time ago. He represents the worst of multi player gaming.

 

[Iori]

The best solution is not a speed limit, is a 1 strike warning, so you can only grief once per day/week whatever. That separates griefers from accidents.

First hit warning, second hit, bounty and hostile station.

You should be able to hit one player, one time in 24h or 48h. Then the warning disappears. Yes it doesnt eliminate the problem 100%, but it eliminates it 99% and doesn't harm honest players.

 

[Von Shadow]

Glad this debate is happening .... its made me realise how appalling and open to abuse the 100m/s limit is.
Smuggling with illicit cargo past the station patrol you make it through the letter box and someone is just taking off and doesn't see me ..... we hit ... who hit who?

Assuming this is only Cmdr vs Cmdr .... is this another reason to head into Solo on approach to a highly popular station ...

I was at Eravate last night in open just hanging out and trying to give out some freebies and the number of ships whizzing around was high .... can imagine newbies falling foul of this new rule ... plus we did see 2 ships inadvertently collide in the letterbox ... one large, one small ... obv small came off worst but it was kinda his fault but does the AI police / station know who to apportion blame to ....

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

The mere fact that FD has not already banned this guy for life must mean this is the kind of gameplay they want in open.

2 + 2 <> 17

I very much doubt that FD want this 'gameplay'. It is far more likely that their lawyers do not want them to permanently ban people, or have warned them to be very, very careful about who they ban, and what evidence they need. EULAs, it appears, are not worth the paper they are not written on.

 

[kingchub]

It'll be less an issue inside than out. The rule will apply in the no fire zone. I always use landing gear just as I enter the letter box so I'm usually close to 100ms. But outside I'm always travelling at the fastest speed to close the 7-10k distance.

The only issue I take with the rule that is to be tested in 1.3 beta is ramming players could still ram you, but under 100ms, just outside the station and you'll get blown up by the station instead.

That and this sort of rule needing to be introduced at all. It's idiots like this that mean we can't have nice things.

That said, it's the most sensible solution and I can't think of any better. So it'll be important it gets fully tested in beta (and that means players actively trying to break it).

i heard somewhere that idiots from eve came to this game to grief people into quitting. If thats true and it is the same guys ramming i guess thier doing a good job.

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also i dont think the griefers will be able to cause u to collide with them at over 100m/s without some difficulty. i mean they have to be going faster than u to catch u right?

 

[Ancipital]

This griefer...while we cannot name and shame... Is it fair to say that the pointy parts of his pectorals are, shall we say, in need of a good scratch?

He enjoys Witchy Tipples, and has been griefing people and publishing videos of it on youtube for months. FD know about him, yet somehow nothing ever happens. It has been the subject of much forum drama in the past, so it'd be hard to claim that they're unaware.

 

[CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE]

A "forgive" option would be nice however for minor collisions.... a quick message you have been involved in a collision, do you want to press charges y/n would do me.

Excellent idea. Has this suggestion been put forward in the dev update thread, I'm only up to page 48?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

no idea but i can make it so.

 

[Iskariot]

2 + 2 <> 17

I very much doubt that FD want this 'gameplay'. It is far more likely that their lawyers do not want them to permanently ban people, or have warned them to be very, very careful about who they ban, and what evidence they need. EULAs, it appears, are not worth the paper they are not written on.

Yes, you are right!

What I said was said in anger. FD representatives have said on several occasions they do not want this type of game play. I am aware of that.
But then they should do something about this. If there is any person who deserves to be thrown out of open play it is this person. He is the worst of the worst and has been on my list ever since the game got released in december.
If FD even let this guy go on and on without taking steps against him, then their words mean nothing.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

It would make sense for me, that someone like Sandro could log in incognito, grab the "alleged nusiance player's" instance number and force themselves into it. Then go try and dock and see what the score is, whilst recording on shadowplay or whatever.

Seems it would take an hour at most to gather necessary evidence and swing the hammer of banz0rfication?