Did i upgrade to the Python too soon?

redeviledna

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Hello fellow CMDRs.

Let me start off with a disclaimer that this isn't a whine thread, just looking for honest advice and/or opinions.

I have recently upgraded from a vulture (which i loved) to a Python. Now, from what i read, i realized it would be less maneuverable etc, so i quickly came to grips with that, no biggie. My question is though, is, should i just use it for trade to earn the credits to get the high end kit?

Reason i ask, done a few sorties into RES, and , while it seemed to do well enough, the shields are just melting like butter in front of a open fire. I know the Vulture is a fighter and the Python seems to be a jack of all trades and master of none, but i really seem to struggle keeping the shields up :(

Is it just a case of saving for the A grade stuff before i actually shoot in anger and start to feel "relatively" secure? Or should i just drop back to a vulture? Im not much of a trading fan, but its all a means to an end. I would like to naturally progress though the more attacking ships as i enjoy BH a helluva lot and wanted to graduate from the Vulture.

Any thoughts and input will be taken on board and much appreciated.

Fly safe,

Red
 

peter101cycle

peter101cycle
redeviledna said:
Hello fellow CMDRs.

Let me start off with a disclaimer that this isn't a whine thread, just looking for honest advice and/or opinions.

I have recently upgraded from a vulture (which i loved) to a Python. Now, from what i read, i realized it would be less maneuverable etc, so i quickly came to grips with that, no biggie. My question is though, is, should i just use it for trade to earn the credits to get the high end kit?

Reason i ask, done a few sorties into RES, and , while it seemed to do well enough, the shields are just melting like butter in front of a open fire. I know the Vulture is a fighter and the Python seems to be a jack of all trades and master of none, but i really seem to struggle keeping the shields up :(

Is it just a case of saving for the A grade stuff before i actually shoot in anger and start to feel "relatively" secure? Or should i just drop back to a vulture? Im not much of a trading fan, but its all a means to an end. I would like to naturally progress though the more attacking ships as i enjoy BH a helluva lot and wanted to graduate from the Vulture.

Any thoughts and input will be taken on board and much appreciated.

Fly safe,

Red
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No, you've not ungraded too soon, as I've just done the same and I'm enjoying the new big ship - the downside is that all the "accessories" are much more expensive and essentially, you've got to trade / safe fight to get more money to upgrade it.

Just don't take too many risks and I won't be running Open Play CG's in it for the foreseeable future or run to risky Open systems - if I want to do that, I'll trade enough to buy a Vulture again. Really, the Python is multi-role and does that [probably] better than the majority of the rest of the available ships. BUT, get caught in the wrong situation and it can be a costly mistake.

Have fun, fly safe Commander!
 

INSTG8R

INSTG8R
Well I am currently going down the route to get myself a Python. So I can at least share my upcoming plans. I plan to trade in it to pay for it's upgrades before I take it into a fight.

I hope you kept your Vulture so you do have something that can still fight while you upgrade your Python to "fighting strength"
 

redeviledna

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the feedback, the fitting isnt too much above stock atm. But i do have my vulture, so, i think ill go into the RES with the vulture, use the Python sparingly and do a few trade runs with it so it doesn't rust on me :)

Im sure it will be worth the wait.
 

Cmdr. Numa

Cmdr. Numa
I've always moved to the next ship as soon as I could afford A frameshift, full cargo and 1x insurance. I'm still in the process of upgrading my Conda.

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arniingi said:
I waited until I had over 100 million in assets to buy python, and its barely enough to buy decent loadout..
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100 million was when I left the Python for the T9.
 

Thalios Abraxas

Thalios Abraxas
I have both ships, and i prefer the Python overall, even with the lack of speed and maneuverability. But it cost me around-to-ish 160m to upgrade it to be something I feel superior to a Vulture...

Current Python build

I wouldn't use the Python for combat until you've decently upgraded it and have a comfy credit margin to allow for at least a couple of re buys....

In the meantime the Vulture is a great combat ship, loads of fun whirling around npc ships :D

Well, that's my two cents worth of opinion anyway, I hope you'll have a lots of fun with yours!
 

xDreadnoughtx

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Thalios Abraxas said:
I have both ships, and i prefer the Python overall, even with the lack of speed and maneuverability. But it cost me around-to-ish 160m to upgrade it to be something I feel superior to a Vulture...

Current Python build

I wouldn't use the Python for combat until you've decently upgraded it and have a comfy credit margin to allow for at least a couple of re buys....

In the meantime the Vulture is a great combat ship, loads of fun whirling around npc ships :D

Well, that's my two cents worth of opinion anyway, I hope you'll have a lots of fun with yours!
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I use a similar build but run 2 pairs of 6a and 5a shield cells. Just pop them off simultaneously and its shiny. Also still use a chaff launcher but like the idea of 3 shield boosters.
 

DidierDrbois

DidierDrbois
Congratz to your new Python commander. You've done the right thing, it's an amazing ship! I bought mine at about 90 mil, maxed out the cargo with 3A shield and done some open-ended trade tours. Some opportunistic missions came in handy too.
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I took the lady into battle at about 110 mil and she's an absolute animal. Use gimballed guns, she's a handful enough with a quintet of Master Vipers on your bum. Not to mention if they bring a Clipper along. I used the Python and a Viper to outrage the local mafia to start sending wings of Anacondas after me. Parked the Viper as it's just not possible to survive when things get boiling, but the Python. Oh. My. Lord. The Python. It's not a battle, it's a rock gig.
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Do keep dosh to cover rebuy at least two times over. Losing a combat-tuned Python hurts. A lot. Good luck!
 

Nereus

Nereus
I would avoid using a python in combat before spending about 100 million credits on it (upgrades, base price not considered).

It will do just fine as a trade ship with mostly D stuff and plenty of shield boosters, but I think it is underwhelming in combat (and pretty expensive to lose) without some upgrades, like at least a C power plant and A thrusters, not to mention decent shields.

Until them, you will fare better with the Vulture - with the added advantage of a reduced chance of a heart attack should you (God forbid) be blown to pieces or something like that. :)
 

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DirtGambit

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I bought a python the second I could afford it, then spent the next 3 months fighting to upgrade it, welcome to the best part of the game. I then bought a conda, then went back to a python and a rated everything, my shields don't melt like butter when against 3 condas in a strong signal source, I doubt the fully upgraded vulture would fair much against that, your better off in a python, learn FA off to get better turn rates, I also like to boost, fa off and turn, alas your travelling backwards but facing your target before your vulture target has even turned to face you. one day youll spend that 51 mill on a power plant, because youll need it to have all those boosters and cell banks :) then you'll see the vulture for what it is, a viper with a bit more, nothing special, you'll eat them for breakfast.
 

SilverbladeTE

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Posted about my low end Python set up on the retrofitting area :)
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142404
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no you do NOT need A class items!
but, you will want to get several Shield Cell Banks (just run 1 at a time, and switch them as need, or 2 at time if must just watch power/heat) and at least 2 Shield Boosters (those make a bog standard shield into a damn good one)
and soon as you can, upgrade the power distributor, thrusters shield and powerplant in that order
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3 medium gimballed cannons and two large gimballed pulse lasers if you want to spare some money will rock most large targets, when you can
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add the large cannon in under chin mount when you have cash, then it's toasty! ;)
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
As you've only got a stock python, you're right to not use it yet. The stock python is more of liability than a benefit, when you have a vulture to fight with.

But you do have that luxury, so keep saving in community goals, get the basics as mentioned above, along with ample insurance, and you'll be fine.
 
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Zplintz

Zplintz
I think the rule of thumb (for any ship purchase/upgrade) should be that if you can do it better (whatever it is you want to do) in your current ship then don't upgrade (or do downgrade if you are finding out the hard way).

For example if you want to make money doing combat in res zones and you do it better in a Vulture then do that until you can equip your next ship better (or not at all). I know players making far more in a Vulture than I did in my Python.

Same goes for trading, although providing you can carry more cargo and you aren't making less cr/hour then it probably matters less.

I appreciated the Python more once I had a decent psu, fsd and shields in combat but it made far more cr/hour trading than my Clipper - Which then allowed me to upgrade it for combat more quickly.
 
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Faybs

Faybs
A trading python is a money printing press. Just do some trading a couple of weekends and you'll have her upgraded to a decent combat ship very soon. Large pulse lasers are cheap and do a ton of damage (as you know from being a vulture driver) and you can fit three of them on a python with no power issues. You can also get cheap but decent shields by using shield boosters, and you don't have to fit a size 7 power plant or distributor so you can save some cash early on there as well. It *will* take forever to A-grade her though - upgrading a python from trader wagon to battle wagon is a game all in itself :)
 
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