Ship Shop - Real Money

[Asphine Nytrix]

Ok, thanks for all the response.

Anyway if they would add ships like cobra/viper into cash shop, then it wouldnt really affect game much. Just time save and be little stronger from start. Also from my experience i could blew up even stronger ships in sidewinder.

PayToWin is getting something others normally cant or stronger than anything obtainable on certain level, if you are just saving time (few days like someone mentioned) with buying a ship for real money it is not pay to win.

Im just scared that when i progress more into game and get something nice and expensive and then i die and wont be able to buy it for loan or something .. i will loose everything and have to start in that darn sidewinder..... It is nice to have certain leveled up start.

Also dont forget, it is for support devs to make more content, all of you should be glad to all paying players, especially to a people with kickstarters package.

Anyway something what happened to me....... i was trying to land on station.. nearly all done, but then friend wrote something on steam so i wanted to shift+TAB..... i had great crash into station xD... thats how i discovered BOOST ......

 

[Privata]

It would be pay 2 win... thats just evil

 

[Anthony Jones]

I'm an alpha backer and I have had my head start that I paid for. Although to me I used my explorer cobra to skip past the bit I had done in alpha and beta already several times.

I do do not have a problem with anything they put in the store as I find the game is about individual achievement.
Let someone buy a type 9 starter ship fill it full of gold and smash it into the docking port like I did when I got 1.5 mill given to me back in the day. I learned to make sure I had insurance after that 5 minutes.

My my game is my game and cannot be ruined by anyone else.

 

[Jaybong]

I'd love people to go pay some ridiculous price for Anacondas or Pythons on the web store to further the development of the game. I know a lot of people would have a serious problem with that... But I wouldn't mind a bit. you could consider it pay to win, but seeing as player Anacondas are killed all the time, you'd still need to earn millions just to upgrade it, I don't consider that p2w. I wouldn't buy it, but I would appreciate the coming updates that it could fund.

 

[Pendra]

It will not happen, but I would not be against this. As long as cash ship is accessible using sensible in-game methods, I'm cool with it.
(NO, winning one by random chance is NOT a sensible method. I'm looking at you STO...)

Imagine a new player purchases an Anaconda for say 5 Euros. He takes it out for a spin and crashes it during the first docking. He would be greeted by the insurance screen. Unfortunately, he is still a new player with 1000 credits, so the Anaconda is gone for good.
He would learn 3 things for life:
- Insure your property
- Have savings
- A Ferrari is not a good first car because it does not come with driving skill and experience.

Imagine the GRIEF on the forums afterward.

 

[Serpentstar]

Personally, I do not see any reason why FD couldn't sell the very same ships that I received as an Alpha Backer way back when. This would allow them to get a Cobra (or other similar ship) spec'ed out for the task at hand.

Sure they would get a jump start but so did we. They wouldn't get the premium insurance, they wouldn't get Founders World as a start, and they would have to get a new commander, losing any advancement they had made.

Can this be abused? Sure, and I have seen how bad that can actually be. But it wouldn't be any different than it is now until the shadowbans start occurring.

Providing FD with additional funding will help pave the way to a better game in the long run.

Not to mention... If they crash and don't have insurance to cover, they get to start all over. Again, and again, and again...

There is also the possibility they could purchase a ship and it just show up at their starting point, but I am at odds with myself on this one. Not sure I care much for it. I think I would rather see the restart than to purchase the ship for an existing commander.

 

[Rankaze]

I have the KS options, and they're nice, but no real advantage. New players can earn a Cobra of their own within a few days, so its not a huge head start.

The early ships are some of the most fun to play anyway. I loved the Eagle, and I'm still in my Cobra.

The Asp Explorer option was a pretty huge advantage.

 

[TartanDragon]

Im just scared that when i progress more into game and get something nice and expensive and then i die and wont be able to buy it for loan or something .. i will loose -everything and have to start in that darn sidewinder..... It is nice to have certain leveled up start.

This part is easy to avoid, do not fly without insurance cover. It is the rebuy cost show in the lower part of the right hand panel. Never take off with out that number as your minimum balance and you should be fine.

Oh and the Sidey is a great ship. I have a few as markers and love upgrading one just to blast round a system RES.


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The Asp Explorer option was a pretty huge advantage.

As far as I remember there was NO Asp Explorer reward. Cobra set up for exploration but no Asp.

 

[Dean Demon]

I'm a firm believer that if you back or pre order you are helping a developer to bring their dream (and yours) to life and they will reward you because you are helping them in a positive way, surely there has to be some benefit to the end user for doing this or there would just be no point in it at all. So not only would the game take longer to develope but would also make people rather annoyed or angry if those same benefits or rewards were later made available after release to everyone, all i could see is a negative impact and that would be defeating the object of what you are trying to achieve and that's creating an awesome product, just my take like it or not.

 

[kurush]

The screams of PAY TO WIN would drown out any sensible discussion.

In this game you can certainly pay for some things, including accounts with condas and billions, but you can't win because there is no winning. There is only a journey. Selling ships in shops sounds like not the best option though, there are more subtle ways of getting credits to the people willing to pay for it without making it look so "Pay to Win".
P.S. Also a backer, who feels already screwed by the game maker by failing to deliver on some promises. I won't feel worse even if they start selling "I baked ED" t-shirts in their store and certainly wouldn't care if they start selling ships or starter packages.

 

[Demiga]

Well, I wouldnt care if they sold ships up to like a cobra in the shop - It really doesnt matter. They would have to do something like include money or a "Token" of free insurance for 7 days for that ship or something. This way the player has a chance to make enough money for a rebuy.

I would be much more interested in buying Beta access. Beta access is not anything that could help/hurt a player in main game. And IMHO, the more beta testers the more bugs that get found.

 

[Rankaze]

Well, I wouldnt care if they sold ships up to like a cobra in the shop - It really doesnt matter. They would have to do something like include money or a "Token" of free insurance for 7 days for that ship or something. This way the player has a chance to make enough money for a rebuy.

I would be much more interested in buying Beta access. Beta access is not anything that could help/hurt a player in main game. And IMHO, the more beta testers the more bugs that get found.

I would have no objection if access to subsequent Betas was sold at the same premium Beta backers like myself paid for it.

I would also have no objection to the original Beta perks (Freagle, small insurance discount) being included.

Heck, i'd buy it myself for my second account.

 

[bossbrigand]

I'd pay for Beta access, even if it's on a per-beta basis.

But paying for ships? Maybe the Eagle or Hauler, but otherwise no. It's not even that it's a pay to win issue for me - I think it defeats the purpose of the gameplay.

 

[Rankaze]

As far as I remember there was NO Asp Explorer reward. Cobra set up for exploration but no Asp.

You may be right. I remember some discussion of the explorer start being a major monetary advantage, but it may have been a Cobra, and the advantage due to the discovery scanner (it came with an intermediate or advanced, i forget which).

 

[Midian27]

No no no no no. No pay 2 win. No non cosmetic cash shops.

 

[Zephyriel]

You said so yourself, you got to the next ship in only a day. Why would you pay real money to skip the starting ship? All you would do is pay to remove a few hours of gameplay.

 

[jmg]

I doubt it will happen, but there's nothing wrong with allowing players to buy ships for real $.
it will give the devs needed funds to further develop the game, and give people who don't have dozens of hours a week to play a chance to fly what they want.

people view this a a black/white issue -- allowing people to buy anything other than cosmetic items is an unfair advantage, but it's not that clear cut, and there are models that work. MWO is a good example -- you can buy anything in the store for earned in-game credits, or if you want, for real $. But buying a mech with real $ really gives you no advantage, as a stock mech is cannon fodder on the field -- it only becomes effective after you've played, increased pilot skills, and earned upgrades. I'd go take my elite medium mech any day against a stock heavy or assault mech.

Anyway, there's no reason ships can't be offered for $, and no reason offering ships for $ would in any way hurt game play.

 

[Canasta]

Id pay a reasonable amount to buy a Cobra Mark one. Even if it was outdated and worse in every way to the MK3.

Just for the experience

 

[Ancipital]

Id pay a reasonable amount to buy a Cobra Mark one. Even if it was outdated and worse in every way to the MK3.

Just for the experience

I know them feels, bro. I stuck with a bright red mark one for ages in Frontier, before cracking and picking up an Imperial Courier. Happy days.

Imagine a new player purchases an Anaconda for say 5 Euros. He takes it out for a spin and crashes it during the first docking. He would be greeted by the insurance screen. Unfortunately, he is still a new player with 1000 credits, so the Anaconda is gone for good.
He would learn 3 things for life:
- Insure your property
- Have savings
- A Ferrari is not a good first car because it does not come with driving skill and experience.

Imagine the GRIEF on the forums afterward.

Given that we've had a good few "I crashed my Anaconda and didn't have insurance and lost everything I hate you you're not even my real parents and now I'm going to go into the garden and eat worms and I hope I die and the police come and put you in prison WAAAAH" threads, we probably don't need to imagine anything.

(...and breathe!)

 

[Defector]

This ain't Star Citizen (thank God).