Was I the victim of a cheater?

Quinliven

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So I'm kinda curious as to whether there's a good explanation for this. I was convinced it must have been some form of cheating because I'd never seen anything like this before.
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I was flying out of George Lucas, towards a RES in my new, but fairly well-equipped Python, when I was interdicted. I submitted and it was an elite wanted CMDR in a Fer-de-Lance. MY first reaction was "yes, let's take out this criminal," but I quickly decided that was probably a bad move, so made a run for it. Of course the FdL outpaced me, mass locked me and opened fire, so I chanced tune again and decided to have at them. I deployed my hardpoints and suddenly my heat levels jumped to 150% and my ship started to fry. I had no idea what was going on, so held off on doing anything to try and let the ship cool. But instead it just continued to heat up until it hit 198%. There was <nothing> all I could do.
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Then three other FdLs dropped in and seemed to just float around and watch the show. Being that I'd never had a situation like this happen before, I concluded that it must be some form of cheating, as I've heard people mention that there are ways to give yourself infinite shields or unlimited ammo. I don't know if its also possible to do something to cause a targeted ship to massively overheat, but I couldn't think of another explanation.
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Not wanting to die to a possible cheater, I quit the game as fast as I could. I don't like the idea of combat-logging, but I couldn't think of any way what I was experiencing was normal game mechanics and I was damned if I was losing my ship to a cheater.
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So does anyone know if what I experienced is actually a normal game mechanic? Is there a way to superheat an enemy target? Did I unfairly combat-log against a superior commander? Or was I the victim of something a bit more sinister?
 
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CMDR Holycow

CMDR Holycow
You accidentally turned on "silent running". you eventually hit max temp, and die, as your ship is no longer venting heat. I would love to see the look on the FDL pilots face as he watched you destroy yourself :D And yes... you're a cheater with the combat log.
 
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micky1984

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why oh why does every CMDR that dies or loses a fight have to call it cheating an dthen have to the gall to try and combat log which is cheating you could not make this up
 
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Distance

Distance
Sounds like normal heat to me. Charging the fsd whilst masslocked really ups your heat and then when you start shooting expect it to jump even higher. It's possible that when your shields when down you might have hit silent running by mistake and this compounded it.
 

GluttonyFang

GluttonyFang
Quinliven said:
So I'm kinda curious as to whether there's a good explanation for this. I was convinced it must have been some form of cheating because I'd never seen anything like this before.
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I was flying out of George Lucas, towards a RES in my new, but fairly well-equipped Python, when I was interdicted. I submitted and it was an elite wanted CMDR in a Fer-de-Lance. MY first reaction was "yes, let's take out this criminal," but I quickly decided that was probably a bad move, so made a run for it. Of course the FdL outpaced me, mass locked me and opened fire, so I chanced tune again and decided to have at them. I deployed my hardpoints and suddenly my heat levels jumped to 150% and my ship started to fry. I had no idea what was going on, so held off on doing anything to try and let the ship cool. But instead it just continued to heat up until it hit 198%. There was *** all I could do.
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Then three other FdLs dropped in and seemed to just float around and watch the show. Being that I'd never had a situation like this happen before, I concluded that it must be some form of cheating, as I've heard people mention that there are ways to give yourself infinite shields or unlimited ammo. I don't know if its also possible to do something to cause a targeted ship to massively overheat, but I couldn't think of another explanation.
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Not wanting to die to a possible cheater, I quit the game as fast as I could. I don't like the idea of combat-logging, but I couldn't think of any way what I was experiencing was normal game mechanics and I was damned if I was losing my ship to a cheater.
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So does anyone know if what I experienced is actually a normal game mechanic? Is there a way to superheat an enemy target? Did I unfairly combat-log against a superior commander? Or was I the victim of something a bit more sinister?
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A combat log is a combat log, there is no justification to combat logging. On the other hand, this is certainly intriguing. I cannot imagine that you did not notice your silent running so the only other possibility is cheating. It may be that it changes the ambient temperature somehow, though if there is indeed a variable that can be tempered with to achieve this effect and somehow localize it to you client only, you have my condolences.
 
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micky1984

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GluttonyFang said:
A combat log is a combat log, there is no justification to combat logging. On the other hand, this is certainly intriguing. I cannot imagine that you did not notice your silent running so the only other possibility is cheating. It may be that it changes the ambient temperature somehow, though if there is indeed a variable that can be tempered with to achieve this effect and somehow localize it to you client only, you have my condolences.
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only if you take the OP word as gospel which i dont human's over embellish every situation the fact he knew what combat logging is and tried to do it says everything about this CMDR
 
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Quinliven

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No, I'm not a total idiot! I have been playing the game long enough to know where I've bound the silent running key (note, its right at the top of the base of my throttle and not in easy reach), but I'm also well aware of the fact that the ship tells you that its gone in to silent running. You can't exactly miss the announcement.
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As for frame shift, I'd long abandoned that. Like I said, I attempted to run and realised I was mass-locked, so gave up. There was no problem at that point. It only occurred when I deployed my hardpoints. It was an immediate jump at that point.
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I'm flying a well-quipped (if not top of the range) Python. I've also got a fully-A-rated FdL, plus a bunch of smaller ships. I'm not a noob and whilst I don't do much PvP, I've done some and tons of PvE. I know how to play the game.
 

JeffBea

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Did all the Cmdr's have Hispanic names. I ran into 4 of the last night and I think there was something similar to that effect happening to me. I had to drop a couple heat sinks to cool things down in my Conda.
 

tanman

tanman
Quinliven said:
So I'm kinda curious as to whether there's a good explanation for this. I was convinced it must have been some form of cheating because I'd never seen anything like this before.
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I was flying out of George Lucas, towards a RES in my new, but fairly well-equipped Python, when I was interdicted. I submitted and it was an elite wanted CMDR in a Fer-de-Lance. MY first reaction was "yes, let's take out this criminal," but I quickly decided that was probably a bad move, so made a run for it. Of course the FdL outpaced me, mass locked me and opened fire, so I chanced tune again and decided to have at them. I deployed my hardpoints and suddenly my heat levels jumped to 150% and my ship started to fry. I had no idea what was going on, so held off on doing anything to try and let the ship cool. But instead it just continued to heat up until it hit 198%. There was *** all I could do.
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Then three other FdLs dropped in and seemed to just float around and watch the show. Being that I'd never had a situation like this happen before, I concluded that it must be some form of cheating, as I've heard people mention that there are ways to give yourself infinite shields or unlimited ammo. I don't know if its also possible to do something to cause a targeted ship to massively overheat, but I couldn't think of another explanation.
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Not wanting to die to a possible cheater, I quit the game as fast as I could. I don't like the idea of combat-logging, but I couldn't think of any way what I was experiencing was normal game mechanics and I was damned if I was losing my ship to a cheater.
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So does anyone know if what I experienced is actually a normal game mechanic? Is there a way to superheat an enemy target? Did I unfairly combat-log against a superior commander? Or was I the victim of something a bit more sinister?
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Did you hear "Silent Mode running" or "silent mode activated" by any chance? how quick was the heat up? usually silent running takes awhile for it to heat up to critical. could be cheating, I would report it. if you have any video or screenshot proof I would send that in with the report.
 

49rTbird

49rTbird
Congrats on admitting the Combat log even if it was the wrong thing to do. I would recommend that you open a dialog next time you submit.
 

Quinliven

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JeffBea said:
Did all the Cmdr's have Hispanic names. I ran into 4 of the last night and I think there was something similar to that effect happening to me. I had to drop a couple heat sinks to cool things down in my Conda.
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Unfortunately can't remember the names. I got a bit distracted.

49rTbird said:
Congrats on admitting the Combat log even if it was the wrong thing to do. I would recommend that you open a dialog next time you submit.
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Not going to lie about what I did. I would have been happy to die in a fair fight. Like I said, I had other good ships to fall back on and more than enough cash for the insurance. However, I couldn't see another explanation for what was going on than the game being screwed with. I've overheated on plenty of occasions, but not like that. If the player was cheating then I've absolutely no issue with cheating back in order to survive. If you want to fight dirty and all that...
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But the reason I posted this was because after the adrenalin had worn off, I wondered if I might have missed something and this was really legitimate. eg. is it possible to overheat someone by hitting them with high-powered beam lasers, even if their shields are up? I've not encountered that before, but then I'd never faced a player-controlled FdL before. So perhaps that could happen. Perhaps I'd made a mistake in what my opponent could do.
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But I certainly hadn't made a mistake in what I was doing. I know the game well enough to know it wasn't because I'd accidently hit silent running, for instance!
 

Morbad

Morbad
You cheat to avoid defeat because you suspect your opponent may be cheating?

How familiar were you with your Python's loadout? You said it was new. If you were boosting and charging FSD, your ship could have been quite warm when you started shooting, and there are plenty of weapon/module combinations you can put on a Python that will fry the hell out of the ship.
 

Quinliven

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Morbad said:
You cheat to avoid defeat because you suspect your opponent may be cheating?

How familiar were you with your Python's loadout? You said it was new. If you were boosting and charging FSD, your ship could have been quite warm when you started shooting, and there are plenty of weapon/module combinations you can put on a Python that will fry the hell out of the ship.
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Familiar enough. I run three gimballed large beams, so I know well about overheating. ;) The important point is that I NEVER fired. All I did was deploy hardpoints. At no point did I ever get the chance to actually fire.
 

Kongou

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Let's focus on the issue at hand, which is the query of whether or not if it's possible for cheaters to overheat the target basically by just looking at them? Going by what OP has said:

- Weapons deployed, not fired
- Mass-locked, didn't initiate jump sequence
- Didn't engage silent-running


I do believe this is something worth investigating and submitting a report in towards Frontier. If you don't mind me asking, how quick was the heat build-up?
 

Sysmon

Sysmon
Quinliven said:
Familiar enough. I run three gimballed large beams, so I know well about overheating. ;) The important point is that I NEVER fired. All I did was deploy hardpoints. At no point did I ever get the chance to actually fire.
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As was mentioned above, did you spin up the FS drive? Did you turn it off again when mass-locked or did you continue to run it? Running the FS drive also heat up the ship fast, so if it cycles up slowly due to mass locking, you may cook before you get away...

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Quinliven

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Kongou said:
Let's focus on the issue at hand, which is the query of whether or not if it's possible for cheaters to overheat the target basically by just looking at them? Going by what OP has said:

- Weapons deployed, not fired
- Mass-locked, didn't initiate jump sequence
- Didn't engage silent-running


I do believe this is something worth investigating and submitting a report in towards Frontier. If you don't mind me asking, how quick was the heat build-up?
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It jumped from no issue to 150% the moment I deployed my hardpoints. That's what got me suspicious - it was too big of a jump in too short a time, compared to anything I'd encountered previously.
 
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