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Great so we will have another mode to affect the galaxy out of our control... Play your way*

*It is irrelevant who you way is as you will affect nothing...

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So it would seem, ps ask the Lugh people or the CODE if their actions change anything (there are many more but those 2 spring to mind).


Isn't hey just talking about the disadvantage the XBOX player would have by using a game controller in a FPS?? I'n not sure this is a FPS per see and the controller would do a pretty good job maybe.

Well if he was he is talking even more tosh, people are already playing with controllers, KB/M, KB only etc.

Maybe ED should auto detect the device you are using (oh yeah it already does) and only match you people using the same device if he is so worried about other peoples disadvantage, OFC this would split open & groups even more.

Ps the auto detect & match was a joke, not as funny as your one, that really made me laugh, I mean really a *PVP guy who wants to change the game to give himself more sheep, giving a rats behind about fighting someone at a disadvantage, that is funny, I really LOL'd at that.

*yes I do realise some "real" PVP people do enjoy fair fights, but I don't recall any asking for more type 6's to fight against.

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Well, it's my birthday tomorrow (36 OMG !!!)

Happy birthday for tomorrow.

So we could save a few posts for tomorrow night - finish the thread with booze and silly talk ;)

You call that a birthday? I call that a weekend :D
 
This is my understanding as well. FD are sticking to 1 background sim for everyone - so XB users will share and influence our data.
So people who moan about modes now, hold on tight, they are about to double up with XB solo, XB private and XB open all on one sim (If they follow the same as PC/Mac grouping layouts of course)


Is it time to start speculating about what Sony might do if FD make a PS version yet? (OK its been discussed already but don't tell anyone lol)

Would it be rude to bring it up so soon after the xbox secret? ..... I think the general opinion was they would probably be allowed to mix with the PC / Mac players, keep it a secret though please.

So the possibility of more players in open on PS (at some point) will be complained about as they will be at a disadvantage, what a crazy world we live in.
 
Impressions after first 100 hours of play. Praises, Concerns, Suggestions to not have the game die out in a few months. Impressions after first 100 hours of play. Praises, Concerns, Suggestions to not have the game die out in a few months.

After my first 100 hours I've realized game is pretty much what many of us who love space sims have been waiting for for literally decades. A giant open world where you can interact with other people and trade / pirate / bounty hunt / etc etc...

The potential is so mind blowingly awesome and big it makes it so much more painful the way several things currently are...

I know there are many threads on here about many of these things, and some of these issues are hopefully going to be addressed in the upcoming patch so I'll only touch on them, but based on my experience, and on all the forum / youtube / reddit chatter, I seriously worry about the future of this super amazing / rad world that has been created.

I've discovered a lot of sentiment on the internet along the following 2 lines of thought:

A - "I would never take my trader into the open world, I only kit up a gunship when going into open"

B - "What is the point of the game then - there is no meaningful pvp, careers other than trading make no money, everyone just rakes in cash solo space trucking for hours on end? Screw it I'll stick to eve'


Combine solo with the fact that you can't make any money doing anything but trading, and there is no meaningful pvp mechanic to the game - and everyone ends up doing brain-dead space trucking runs over and over with no consequence, only visiting open to harass other players in gunboats. (Not everyone I exaggerate but wow does open space seem sparse even around rares systems.)

People who don't want player interaction go solo, get bored of repetitive space trucking, leave the game. People who want player interaction find little meaningful way for it to happen because A - the career mechanics are unbalanced and B - so many players just go solo. So they get bored, leave the game.


*****How to fix this and stop people from leaving the game******:

#1 - rebalance careers - hopefully 1.3 covers this
#2 - introduce more meaningful player interaction - I know faction wars are going to be a thing but there are some other parts that need help here.

For example - that guy wanting to escort traders in his vulture. Give the people with vultures a way to interact with the world other than griefing people. Let traders hire an armed guard. For credits or a much higher percentage cut that can be agreed on / vary depending on job. I would love to fly escort for traders and fend off pirates - that sounds amazing.

Let traders hire npc mercs to protect them when players don't want to or aren't available. Sending a lone slow big trading vessel out into space is surely SUPPOSED to be dangerous. Give people an option to help protect themselves against pirates / jerks who just want to kill them. Stop them from wanting to go solo / trade solo. Let them make the call - risk it for more profit or be safe(r) and hire an armed guard. And create a whole new player interaction mechanic at the same time.

#3 - a safe zone for new players so people who get blown away like me in their sidewinders don't run off to solo immediately. A group of a dozen or so core systems. Work it into the story. A ceasefire / peacekeeping / cooperative zone between the 3 major factions. Heavy on security - hell it even has security drones that jump in any time an attack happens in those systems immediately. Make trade gains marginal but steady. Limit ships you can buy and parts. Training wheels area where people can still interact and not be scared off - but forced to venture out to make more money / get better parts / ships. Come up with a way to make it so players can't abuse it (jumping here to avoid bounty hunters in pursuit etc), like if you are wanted the drones find you right away etc.

#4 - Separate or severely restrict solo to open world assets transfers. If people want to affect community goals / interact with the universe at large that everyone else is playing in - they should need to have to play in THAT universe. Some dude watching a GoT marathon while high as crap and jumping back and forth to diso with no focus on the game shouldn't be able to make millions... and then come back into open world with a huge ship. With armed trade escorts and a beginner safe zone open should hopefully be a lot more appealing to people who are afraid of it. If they only want to solo - fine, but don't let their actions affect the open world. Totally absurd. You can limit asset transfer to solo to private groups.


*****Seriously though, safe zones that don't allow for too much progression ship / money-wise - and trader escorts (both player and npc). These 2 things could help this game so much as long as 1.3 adds enough player interaction with faction wars, and rebalances the careers.******

I don't want to see this amazing galaxy of 400 billion stars turn into a ghost town. Zombie space-trucking solo isn't for me and even in open trading is a pretty lonely affair as is (add better profit-sharing / escorts / npc escorts...). I dream of blockades (and punching through them), giant space battles, making a living with my wing running escorts and fending off pirates / rival factions, etc., flying a transport loaded with cargo through a dicey area and being able to pay my wing to cover me properly..., bounty hunting players being a reasonable career... etc.
 
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Is it time to start speculating about what Sony might do if FD make a PS version yet? (OK its been discussed already but don't tell anyone lol)

Would it be rude to bring it up so soon after the xbox secret? ..... I think the general opinion was they would probably be allowed to mix with the PC / Mac players, keep it a secret though please.

So the possibility of more players in open on PS (at some point) will be complained about as they will be at a disadvantage, what a crazy world we live in.

While I think all consoles that support ED should play alongside us properly (I really don't get why more games don't mix everyone up), as XB will have it's own Solo/Group/Open ( <- speculation), then PS should follow the same suit.
Just imagine, Solo PC/ Solo XB/ Solo PS, Group PC/ Group XB/ Group PS, Open PC/ Open XB/ Open PS - all using the same back ground sim.

I think the forums would melt :p
 
While I think all consoles that support ED should play alongside us properly (I really don't get why more games don't mix everyone up), as XB will have it's own Solo/Group/Open ( <- speculation), then PS should follow the same suit.
Just imagine, Solo PC/ Solo XB/ Solo PS, Group PC/ Group XB/ Group PS, Open PC/ Open XB/ Open PS - all using the same back ground sim.

I think the forums would melt :p

I get why they do it with shooters as kb/m generally destroys controllers. No such big advantage in Ed and with Microsoft introducing Win 10 with crossplay in mind I think they'd be silly not to allow it.
 
The biggest problem with the trade ships in this game is that the all rounders are better at trade than them. Asp is better than a T6, Python better than a T7 and a Conda better than a T9.

Traders would probably fit a ton of defensive measures such as shield boosters, cells turrets etc is it didn't cripple their jump range.

^^^^^ Exactly! That and I'm of the opinion that as you go up in module class rating, F ---> A that you should see a benefit in jump range, not the opposite, considering the cost.
 
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I'm going to play half-drunk in a minute. That's risky.

I demand my 10%! I pay my taxes, why can't I have my 10%?!

Then I demand at least 20% sir as I know (rightly or wrongly, just my opinion BTW, expressed as a fact with no evidence to support it) that I have drunk more than you, I play in full on, hardcore, drunk mode!, not your petty half measures (pun intended) easy mode.

I also pay my taxes (now we are both entitled lol), I have even sent video's with my bug reports to FD, clearly showing that in my hardcore proper drunk mode both stations & asteroids boost into me, I even supplied detailed statistics (with videos to support them), Sober mode rarely happens once I think in 6 months, half drunk it happened a few times, in proper drunk mode it happens every time, I think its related to my PC's temperature or my graphics card as it always seems to happen later in the evening, FD need to fix this its a real problem!.
 
It's greedy and selfish and if you got it you'd just ask for more because it won't change anything the way you think it will. That's the problem with the suggestion.

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Read back a few pages where the real motivation started to slip out. They are worried they are going to run out of sheep to feed on.

lol yes I'm sure some players would worry about that but the reality this isn't the case. Those Steamplayers keep coming every day and they provide plenty of meat.



Nor can you control how others play the game or in which mode. It's good that you are starting to realise that.

Well thats half the problem. Is it fair to "potentially" avoid something you can change modes..

Personally I have no problem with people playing what mode they like but I do have a problem with them gaining an unfair advantage because of it... This is why I feel the different modes should not be competing for the same prizes. i.e. CG's

No point in arguing with most of what you said, since it's opinion masquerading as facts.

I'll address this since it's an argument not an opinion. "we can play open anyway, without seeing anyone" You seem to be ignoring my argument of some risk is better than no risk at all. Being alone in solo isn't the same as being alone in open, in open that can change at any time, not so in solo. You are correct that if players arent meeting up with others when they are both in the same system, It's a problem in FDs hands. Perhaps the p2p matchmaking could use another look at.

LOL

FACT= My opinion put forward pompously... I though he was 16 not 36 but I suppose it is hard to tell with some keyboard warriors..

You need to remember that in order to promote their PVE group they need to spread as much rumor and innuendo as possible to the atrocities which happen every minute in open. Then they can brag about how many players are there which make you feel vilified in some way...

It all get backs to "how much have you seen your self?" to which you may get "well I have never seen anything personally" or "a bad thing happened to me on the first day, I'm never going back.."

See 90% of the "anti Open crowd" here have no idea what it is like, nor do they care because it doesn't suit their purposes.. It is not about trying to force anybody to play open but to refute the bull and hysteria that get spewed out here..
 
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Some games / simulators offer "color blind" mode. So, one could conceivably hypothesize that "drunk mode" should be considered as a standard game "feature".

Then I demand at least 20% sir as I know (rightly or wrongly, just my opinion BTW, expressed as a fact with no evidence to support it) that I have drunk more than you, I play in full on, hardcore, drunk mode!, not your petty half measures (pun intended) easy mode.

I also pay my taxes (now we are both entitled lol), I have even sent video's with my bug reports to FD, clearly showing that in my hardcore proper drunk mode both stations & asteroids boost into me, I even supplied detailed statistics (with videos to support them), Sober mode rarely happens once I think in 6 months, half drunk it happened a few times, in proper drunk mode it happens every time, I think its related to my PC's temperature or my graphics card as it always seems to happen later in the evening, FD need to fix this its a real problem!.
 
I spend more time bounty hunting than I do trading these days. Though at the moment, I'm making a small fortune on corn futures. :D

I can easily make money with BH in any mode, be it Open, Group or Solo. The assertion that Solo is for traders, and that trading is the only way to make money in Solo is patently false.

#4 will never happen. They've repeated numerous times, to the point of nausea no doubt, that they have no interest in punishing or otherwise penalizing players in Solo or Group, or giving benefits/rewards to those who play in Open instead of the other modes.

The thread seems to be yet another variation on the 'Open vs Solo' debate. It will be interesting to see if it ends up merged with the megathread.
 
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lol yes I'm sure some players would worry about that but the reality this isn't the case. Those Steam fools keep coming every day and they provide plenty of meat.





Well thats half the problem. Is it fair to "potentially" avoid something you can change modes..

Personally I have no problem with people playing what mode they like but I do have a problem with them gaining an unfair advantage because of it... This is why I feel the different modes should not be competing for the same prizes. i.e. CG's



LOL

FACT= My opinion put forward pompously... I though he was 16 not 36 but I suppose it is hard to tell with some keyboard warriors..

You need to remember that in order to promote their PVE group they need to spread as much rumor and innuendo as possible to the atrocities which happen every minute in open. Then they can brag about how many players are there which make you feel vilified in some way...

It all get backs to "how much have you seen your self?" to which you may get "well I have never seen anything personally" or "a bad thing happened to me on the first day, I'm never going back.."

See 90% of the "anti Open crowd" here have no idea what it is like, nor do they care because it doesn't suit their purposes.. It is not about trying to force anybody to play open but to refute the bull and hysteria that get spewed out here..

To bad for you that with this line:"Those Steam fools keep coming every day and they provide plenty of meat" u prove him right ;)
 
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Personally I have no problem with people playing what mode they like but I do have a problem with them gaining an unfair advantage because of it... This is why I feel the different modes should not be competing for the same prizes. i.e. CG's

It's only an "unfair advantage" when it is limited to a few - when EVERYONE can do it - there is no advantage for anyone.

FACT= My opinion put forward pompously... I though he was 16 not 36 but I suppose it is hard to tell with some keyboard warriors..

I've posted and reposted Dev blogs, Dev opinions, Dev videos, design discussions and promises - at no point are they my opinion, they are simple facts when the people in charge say them.
And still with the personal attacks, sore loser springs to mind - but you really didn't have a chance of winning did you - as you didn't read up on ED before hand, or, even after I provided it for you multiple times.

Oh and by the way, if I had hidden all the information from FD and used it to disprove you without letting you know where it was from or have the chance to read it yourself - that WOULD BE an unfair advantage ;)

You need to remember that in order to promote their PVE group they need to spread as much rumor and innuendo as possible to the atrocities which happen every minute in open. Then they can brag about how many players are there which make you feel vilified in some way...

No private group needs to try and put people off Open Mode, attitudes of Open Mode players does that.
I've lost count of how many times in this very thread folks have said no more Open for them due to comments posted by Open advocates - information is right here in the thread.... but I don't expect you to read it, you don't like proof that counters you.
 
To bad for you that with this line:"Those Steam fools keep coming every day and they provide plenty of meat" u prove him right ;)

Well I wouldn't want any of these precious fellows getting all uppity because they may be made to play open against their will... Least they know us commoners from Steam are providing plenty of meat for the hoards of PVP monsters who dominate the open world...
 
I didn't read what you said, I stopped bothering. We will never agree so it seems pointless.

I suggest you so the same..

So not only do you want to dictate how people play the game, you want to dictate how they use the forum as well.

(Hint: the forums have an "ignore" feature)
 
Some very good points there but you will the "hysteria" club will drown any pro open discussion out because open is evil...
 
I get why they do it with shooters as kb/m generally destroys controllers. No such big advantage in Ed and with Microsoft introducing Win 10 with crossplay in mind I think they'd be silly not to allow it.

I hope you are right, Win 10 was mentioned although I cant remember the context. IIRC it was more politics than technology barring the xbox players joining the PC players, I hope they can resolve it as it will will make both open and groups busier, and ensure FD have plenty more cash to keep adding to the future development of great this game. Win win.
 
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