Alpha package: no perks

If you're missing out on Alpha I wouldn't worry too much, you'll get your chance in the Beta before too long (I very nearly typed soon... it's that catching!).....

Besides life in Alpha isn't all that it's cracked up to be... it's hell in here with all the issues etc... Like which mission should I practice in now.. be glad you don't have THAT choice! ;)

My biggest issue with the alpha is that I don't know how justify upgrading my PC like I was planning to since the game runs perfectly smooth as it is. :eek:

Hmmm...
On the other hand I do want an Oculus Rift when the commercial version goes live and then I'll need much higher framerates for a good experience...Ok, then. Scratch that...I don't really have any issues other than the fact that I want MORE. Next alpha phase please! :D
 
I have to say that Frontier is probably missing out on a large chunk of cash.

I myself and a few friends of mine, all Elite fans back from the ZX Spectrum days, would each gladly fork over 200 pounds if it gave us at least some perks. Any perk, for that matter. It's purely a psychological thing: we need a justification for spending that much money on something that just went into the alpha testing stage.

The way it looks now, people have a possibility to participate in an alpha-test that would only last a month, and for that they have to lay out almost 250 euros. Basically these people pay developers to be able to help those very same developers. I have to say I find the concept slightly appalling. E.g., Star Citizen, even though it's already funded to the brim, still hands out perks.

I bought premium beta purely out of respect for the old Elite days, but I have to say I'm slightly put off by the current donation policy.

Frontier have said that they have enough funding and are not touting for new backers. The alpha package was a whole lot more attractive with all the extra perks, and when the funding was in question. Now, I wouldn't recommend getting it unless you really want to support FD, or are so excited that you can't wait (and can justify it to yourself).
 
I think the pricing and timing of the alpha signup programme was carefully designed to attract hardcore Elite players who would be ideal participants in that testing (which is what the programme is about).

Cashing in now by selling it, in effect, as a game for playing rather than for testing would be just that ... a cash grab.
 
I think the pricing and timing of the alpha signup programme was carefully designed to attract hardcore Elite players who would be ideal participants in that testing (which is what the programme is about).

Cashing in now by selling it, in effect, as a game for playing rather than for testing would be just that ... a cash grab.

I agree, i had to walk to work for three weeks because i put in £85, I did consider going all in for Alpha access (along with all the other perks) but a full month of walking plus no warm lunches kept me away, i'm a fan, just not hard core. ;)
 

nats

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The developers will take the feedback from the alphatesters not just to test it, but also shape it to some extent because of the very issues we discover or the features we feel is needed.

The fact is that, unlike the Kickstarter pledges which were very clear in their scope and provision, all you officially get from joining the Alpha now is the ability to play all the early incarnations of the game and 'give feedback' (the whereby of giving the feedback isnt specified though), plus you get the game at the end, plus free expansions. So in real terms for new buyers compared to the Kickstarter you get 'sod all', for £200. They badly need to address this whilst there is increased interest from the alpha videos doing the rounds if they want more money and buyers, which you would have thought they would.

There is no reason why buyers now spending £200 shouldnt get a copy of the book and music etc as well as some other things like various starting options and credits.The Kickstarter set got access to the Founders World and other things that later buyers wont and thats fair enough.

It appears they are not very well organised in all this and are completely missing the boat, yet again. Not that it really matters because the game is getting made and people will buy it eventually, but still, its a shame the impact of the alpha isnt being capitalised on. Maybe they mistakenly thought it wouldnt be very impressive! Or maybe they are still, unbelievably, of the opinion that this game just doesnt have the potential following of a game like Star Citizen, and they are dead wrong there. Or maybe they are completely focused on the next alpha stages.

Who knows.
 
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There is no reason why buyers now spending £200 shouldnt get a copy of the book and music etc as well as some other things like various starting options and credits.The Kickstarter set got access to the Founders World and other things that later buyers wont and thats fair enough.

Hi Nats

I don't agree with you on this part specifically, but on the whole I think the way it's been handled by FD isn't that great either. The specifics you mentioned - music CD, book, backer decal, different starting positions, etc - were specific Kickstart backer rewards used to entice us to pledge money. Post shop change these shouldn't be offered anymore.

If you are a new player I agree that Alpha for £200 (plus you get Beta Premium I assume ?) is pricy and you have to WANT to play ED to pay out that much, but it has to be at that amount so that you don't devalue the Kickstart backers - They paid £200 but they also received perks for taking a leap of faith months in advance.

I just feel sorry for the existing backers who helped ED become funded who can't upgrade.
 
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The fact is that, unlike the Kickstarter pledges which were very clear in their scope and provision, all you officially get from joining the Alpha now is the ability to play all the early incarnations of the game and 'give feedback' (the whereby of giving the feedback isnt specified though), plus you get the game at the end, plus free expansions. So in real terms for new buyers compared to the Kickstarter you get 'sod all', for £200. They badly need to address this whilst there is increased interest from the alpha videos doing the rounds if they want more money and buyers, which you would have thought they would.

There is no reason why buyers now spending £200 shouldnt get a copy of the book and music etc as well as some other things like various starting options and credits.The Kickstarter set got access to the Founders World and other things that later buyers wont and thats fair enough.

It appears they are not very well organised in all this and are completely missing the boat, yet again. Not that it really matters because the game is getting made and people will buy it eventually, but still, its a shame the impact of the alpha isnt being capitalised on. Maybe they mistakenly thought it wouldnt be very impressive! Or maybe they are still, unbelievably, of the opinion that this game just doesnt have the potential following of a game like Star Citizen, and they are dead wrong there. Or maybe they are completely focused on the next alpha stages.

Who knows.


I think they are perfectly well organised, they gave extra stuff to the guys who pledged early on pure faith in the company not to screw up.

They don't NEED any more money to continue development and contrary to your opinion are obviously supremely confident the game will sell itself.

In the backers app i can see that there were 41000 backers, that's probably a fairly insignificant amount compared to the amount they will sell at retail and the few extra they will get who want to play alpha wont make much difference.

I think there are some sour grapes from people who missed getting in early, if you want to play now, then pay, if not wait for release..
 
Some of us spent quite large sums of money on faith that Frontier would make a great product and the reward for that faith was the perks, and lets be honest many of us would have put money in WITHOUT the perks just to see the game get made.

Exactly! I remember during the kickstarter when some people used to slag of the very early footage saying it looked rubbish and they were not going to back it. Well, things have changed haven't they? Those people have now seen the alpha footage and want a piece of the action because it looks amazing.

However, all is not lost. You can always buy the game when it goes retail.

Meanwhile, the rest of us who backed the game during the kickstarter can enjoy the early game play opportunities and marvel at the wonderful graphics because we deserve it.
 
Taking part in the Alpha is not all it's cracked up to be. I've played all the missions and reported all my thoughts and now I am bored and waiting for the next bit. From an enjoyment perspective it's actually quite annoying. Because once you've done that missions ... that's it. It take a few hours. And you're back to square one ... drumming your fingers and waiting for the next bit. I hate patience ... it's one long waste of time. The beta is when it's going to be fun. Believe you me.
 
I have to say that Frontier is probably missing out on a large chunk of cash.

I myself and a few friends of mine, all Elite fans back from the ZX Spectrum days, would each gladly fork over 200 pounds if it gave us at least some perks. Any perk, for that matter. It's purely a psychological thing: we need a justification for spending that much money on something that just went into the alpha testing stage.

The way it looks now, people have a possibility to participate in an alpha-test that would only last a month, and for that they have to lay out almost 250 euros. Basically these people pay developers to be able to help those very same developers. I have to say I find the concept slightly appalling. E.g., Star Citizen, even though it's already funded to the brim, still hands out perks.

I bought premium beta purely out of respect for the old Elite days, but I have to say I'm slightly put off by the current donation policy.


You pose an interesting question. It's true that Star Citizen has adopted a truly revolutionary approach to game funding and their marketing team is elite and dangerous.

They are funding the game by selling more than 250,000 Alpha slots with the cheapest one about $40, but do not be fooled, at that price the perks only amount to a free starter ship and an Alpha to release spot.

SC has opted for a very long and very large Alpha to retail model that is revolutionary and unique. Aside from the perk of getting your hands on development stage modular builds of the game, their are two types of perks in SC.

One is "free" and credits your account with small gifts for each month that you have been a backer until the pledge closes. Examples are one month you get a side arm for your avatar, next month a free engine upgrade etc.

The other perk, and the one that is bringing in millions and millions of $ in funding is the selling of all the ships in the game before you have even started to play. This is a very interesting perk. It is very tempting to be able to jump to end game content by simply buying up all the "Epic" gear in the game before it is even released with real world money rather than playing the game to earn in game money to buy the same.

Think of WOW offering nearly all end game epic dungeon gear to be bought before the game launches. This is a very interesting decision by the SC devs and should have a big impact on reducing RMT gold sellers in SC. RMT is a huge business in most MMOs and drains a lot of cash away fro the game producer's wallet. The SC approach should see a lot of that RMT cash go to them rather than the gold sellers.

One part of me would love to play with end game ships before I even start the game, in SC, such end game ships are offered for sale to Alpha members as "perks" at prices of $275 to $15,000 (currently the $15,000 ship packs have all sold out, but the next highest tear, the $10,000 packages are still available).

I have elected to resist the temptation to buy an end game ship for now. I am not sure if the ability to buy an end game ship pre retail for cash will give too much of a PVP advantage to those who buy them as part of SC's funding mechanism, it's way too early to tell. On the one hand SC has a single person game so my $45 spent so far will cover that part. If I do not pre purchase an end game ship pre retail and I find that my $45 "budget" Aurora keeps on getting one shot'ed by goons camping the game with fleets of corvettes and elite fighters then I will be disappoint and the goons will happily lap up my tears.

ED has adopted a totally different funding and development path, and while I do not doubt that ED could also sell end game ED ships for a lot of money, I am not sure if this would be a good thing or a bad thing for the game.
 
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I paid £100 when they opened kick starter campaign again through respect from earlier version of Elite. I will not be offering any more fund as I feel that's enough to support a game like this at three times what I would normally pay to play any game.

I certainly never going to pay £200 just to play/test alpha and I doubt I'll even bother playing in Beta or not until the end as I cannot be bothered wasting my time testing someone else's work and object to this new form of making customers paying for a game in advance of it going live, however I have done so like I said through respect of the game I owned in the past.

I do understand that it's up to individuals to decide if they wish or how they wish to spend the money they earn without me telling them what to do! I'm sure this will turn out to be an epic game but fear for the future of gaming as there is bound to be many games which disappoint us gamers in the future for sure.

I'm not convinced that crowd funding is the way to bring better games to us the customer and feel when people get burnt they will never support this type of funding in the future or though I hope I'm wrong.

SC seems to of u turned on what they originally wanted to do and have moved the goal post once they seen many would through funds at them for buy ships with LTI hence why they now over 34mill. I do hope that both games turn out to be successful otherwise there will be many ed off people for sure.
 
I'm not convinced that crowd funding is the way to bring better games to us the customer and feel when people get burnt they will never support this type of funding in the future or though I hope I'm wrong.
Remains to be seen, I agree. All methods of producing a game have pro's and con's and it's definitely a case of buyer-beware (or in this case backer-beware) as there are no guarantees for crowd funded games. Unlike regular game releases where you can judge it from reviews and demos, crowdfunding is are done on faith :)

I trust in FD to do the right thing, and so far they have been true to their word. Sure, they have made some questionable judgements (imo) but that's fine - FDs word is law and thats also KO - and so far the backers of ED should feel somewhat relieved by the mighty fine steps taken. (DDF works; Alpha Stage 1 works; rest to follow !)
 
I paid £100 when they opened kick starter campaign again through respect from earlier version of Elite. I will not be offering any more fund as I feel that's enough to support a game like this at three times what I would normally pay to play any game.

£100 is extremely good value for money because you are entitled to free expansions which would otherwise cost you much more in the long run.

This was a very generous offer by FD in return for our backing.
 
I bought premium beta purely out of respect for the old Elite days, but I have to say I'm slightly put off by the current donation policy.

well it is not a "donation policy" it is rather a "sales policy"

but then you have already understood that point ;)
 
Taking part in the Alpha is not all it's cracked up to be. I've played all the missions and reported all my thoughts and now I am bored and waiting for the next bit. From an enjoyment perspective it's actually quite annoying.

Although I'm not in the Alpha (first round Beta for me), I feel the same way about watching the gameplay footage. It was great, but nearly enough...

...more or less like this!:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfmBSfeXDsc
 
I have to say that Frontier is probably missing out on a large chunk of cash.

I myself and a few friends of mine, all Elite fans back from the ZX Spectrum days, would each gladly fork over 200 pounds if it gave us at least some perks. Any perk, for that matter. It's purely a psychological thing: we need a justification for spending that much money on something that just went into the alpha testing stage.

The way it looks now, people have a possibility to participate in an alpha-test that would only last a month, and for that they have to lay out almost 250 euros. Basically these people pay developers to be able to help those very same developers. I have to say I find the concept slightly appalling. E.g., Star Citizen, even though it's already funded to the brim, still hands out perks.

I bought premium beta purely out of respect for the old Elite days, but I have to say I'm slightly put off by the current donation policy.

You find the funding model here appalling and bring up Star Citizen as a better example of proper behaviour ? :D Really ?

Hey look, there is another super limited edition ship ....only available this week as well ! ....or until next week when they feel like putting it up again!
Models not available, concept art not even available, but this is a perk you can't do without !
 
2humbleton
Thank you for an honest report!

2DeGriz
Thank you for the calm and in-depth analysis!
The problem is, I don't need monthly presents or endgame content... I would've settled for a simple pair of fuel scoops :)

well it is not a "donation policy" it is rather a "sales policy"
I beg to disagree, you do not normally sell participation in an alpha-test for ~120 euros (that's what's left after subtracting the cost of the premium beta). Also, you can only get to "buying" the alpha after clicking on the "Help support Elite" sign.

They don't NEED any more money to continue development and contrary to your opinion are obviously supremely confident the game will sell itself.
Really? Why is there then a "Help support Elite" signboard on the main page? Are you implying that at this point they are collecting money out of pure greed? ;)

£100 is extremely good value for money because you are entitled to free expansions which would otherwise cost you much more in the long run
Why would you say that? At this point we do not know:

- if there will be any expansions at all (I dearly hope there will be, but maybe the game fails and development is closed, who knows?);
- how many expansions there will be;
- any details on the pricing policy (maybe they'll sell expansions for 2 euros each to draw in new players, I have no idea).

The point is, right now it's impossible to say how good a deal the premium beta is. Like Asbo, I paid for it purely out of respect for the old ZX Spectrum days and based on the fact that 200 pounds seemed a tad too much.

I'm sure your wife deserves it.
How do you know that? Maybe we hate each other's guts and I only brought up the matter as an example?
 
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