Buff the Traders

[Han Brannigan]

I am myself not very interested in pure trading vessels but I feel that the fact that the T7 can transport about as much as a Python and the T9 about as much as a Conda is non-sense.
I'd like the T9 to carry 700 tonnes and the T7 350 - 400 tonnes ( with adequate shielding ).
This is both to make them viable long term for traders ( instead of a vehicle to make enough dole to buy the multirole equivalent ) and because they just look like they should have a bigger Cargo Space then Pythons/Condas.

 

[Magic Man]

They're fine as they are. The devs have no doubt spent many more hours considering and comparing the various strengths/weaknesses of each ship compared to the next than you, no disrespect.

 

[Aleksej]

It is all about internal compartments and ship sizes. T7 is a relatively small box, and looks smaller than a Python, so how on earth it can should be able to carry 350-400t or cargo? That's impossible.
Anaconda can carry that much cargo as it has so many internal compartments. T9 is about 25% unbalanced here but it is again all about internal compartments.

 

[Minoo Minou]

"I am myself"
"non-sense"
"I'd like"
"they just look like they should have"
Reason: Masked swearing is not tolerated, please avoid.

That's not a good start for a thread.

 

[Reprobator]

i think it's pretty nice the way it is, take in consideration the price of those ships too...
My only concern would be about the t9, he doesn't need more cargo but a higher class fsd in my opinion.
A trading ship should be better at it than it's multiclass counterpart methink, and actually you earn more with a conda than a t9 because the t9 has a viper jump range.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

As Trader who has made his way up to a T9 all I can say is that I never felt like any of the tradingships does not carry enough.

Which counts even more for the T9. Its insany how much money you make in a T9, more Cargo Space is really not needed if you ask me. I don't want the T9 to carry more Cargo, I want the Panther Clipper to be introduced

 

[Psycho Romeo]

Can we also consider the price in this picture?

As I understand both trading vessels are about half the cost of their comparisons in the OP.

 

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[Rowander]

You can think of the Anaconda as an armed trader. That's its main role, and I'm fairly sure most of the owners reach that conclusion in the end. There are better ships for other pourposes.

So, you're asking for a ship half the price of the Anaconda, to carry almost double the goods... good luck with that

 

[Spam]

I dunno about more cargo size but I am starting to need bigger pockets in my flight suit to stuff all this cash in.

If you wanna buff my T9's cargo hold then please go ahead.

 

[Han Brannigan]

T7 is a relatively small box, and looks smaller than a Python

No it does not. Its clearly got a larger volume. Also I would like to know where I tried to mask swearing?

 

[Poseidal]

Python is a Tardis still. Looking at the sizes, it is an Asp that protrudes a bit forward but has 2.5 times the capacity, along with the space used up for large hardpoints (you can see how physically large they are).

 

[Han Brannigan]

So, you're asking for a ship half the price of the Anaconda, to carry almost double the goods... good luck with that

I am not asking for it ( as I have no intention to fly one of these any time soon - if at all ). I just feel that the pure traders are a bit poor compared to the multi roles. It used to be a bit different as the upkeep on the multi roles made the pure traders more cost effecient.
Nowadays however upkeep is almost a non factor so...

I also do not get the hostility around here every time you dare mention that you'd like certain things to be different.
I like the Game as it is - it could be even better though.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

It is all about internal compartments and ship sizes. T7 is a relatively small box, and looks smaller than a Python, so how on earth it can should be able to carry 350-400t or cargo? That's impossible.
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In game it's relatively hard to judge the size of ships. I always thought the T-7 would be bigger, but looking at the images in that thread about ship sizes the T-7 is indeed relatively small. But it is a box compared to the flat shape of the Python, it's much higher. The T-7 should be able to carry more cargo, much more. Same with the Clipper, it shouldn't be able to carry as much as it can. Simply based on the size and volume of the ships.

In the end it's not about ship size or volume, it's simply a game balance decision.

 

[MarktJones]

Such a bad idea, Joss Whedon needs to take a break.

 

[Surround]

I find it stupid that how much clipper can have that cargo. Especially with that speed. I would understand it better if if it had the same amount of cargo as dropship

 

[Han Brannigan]

In the end it's not about ship size or volume, it's simply a game balance decision.

True - but in this case (imo) we have a scenario where both realism and game balance could profit from giving the Traders a bigger cargo hold.

 

[SirAdelaide]

Also I would like to know where I tried to mask swearing?

Probably when you asked for a trade buff. That's just obscene.

 

[hiasakite]

Python is a Tardis still. Looking at the sizes, it is an Asp that protrudes a bit forward but has 2.5 times the capacity, along with the space used up for large hardpoints (you can see how physically large they are).

True - but the Python is 10x the price - so it could argued that it makes use of the space far more effectively and efficiently (similar argument with Python vs T7- except it is only 2.5x the price)

 

[Han Brannigan]

I find it stupid that how much clipper can have that cargo. Especially with that speed. I would understand it better if if it had the same amount of cargo as dropship

Its ( imo ) the Dropship which has a laughably small cargo capacity. This might be due to the fact that it is a troop transport - yet as there are ( and in the foreseeable future will not be ) any troops to transport it could do with some more interior space.

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True - but the Python is 10x the price - so it could argued that it makes use of the space far more effectively and efficiently (similar argument with Python vs T7- except it is only 2.5x the price)

This is true - but there is only so much extra space you can squeeze out of a certain shape - especially if all the loading containers are standardized.
A better explanation might be that the limiting fact is weight ( and therefore thrust ) and not volume( or a combination of both ) where the larger engines of the multi roles would enable them to carry lots of cargo.
If that's the case we should see an impact once ( if that is even planned ) a ton of tea will take up considerably more space then a ton of gold ( meaning a roomier ship could transport more tea while a more powerful could transport more gold ).

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Probably when you asked for a trade buff. That's just obscene.

How so - English not being my first language I'd like to avoid misunderstandings.