Why do you call Destruction of Property Murder?

Pendra

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I've been thinking about this lately. In ED, there is no way to kill anyone. When you pop a ship, the pilot ejects and gets teleported to the last station he docked. You can't pop the ejection capsule. You can't wait around until the pilot suffocates.
There is no Murder involved at all. Just some destruction of property. Yet the game gives me a bounty for Murder. Something impossible to do in ED.

Unless you are not the pilot, but the ship :D. The ship gets murdered for good.

The only murder kind of activity would be to pop Slave canisters. But I suppose the slaves inside are not considered living beings because that results no fine or bounty.
 
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Commander Starcloak

Commander Starcloak
Teleporting to the nearest station IRL is impossible too. I prefer to think of it as the pilot ejecting and being picked up by a friendly craft. You could say NPCs get murdered - apart from the re-use of NPC names which means sometimes seeing the same people over and over. :p Maybe they ejected too?
 
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Arry

Arry
Murder?

This is down to 'motive'. Without motive, there can't be murder, therefore your intention is taken into account. It has nothing to do with your motives or actions, that the crew survives.

Therefore, the crime, until proved otherwise, is murder.

Arry.
 

Poseidal

Poseidal
There are no pilots, we are merely the ship AI in a world where humans are long dead. When you destroy the ship, you 'murder' another AI, but most of us have backups that are activated on a new ship on destruction of the original.
 

Dommarraa

Dommarraa
Pendra said:
I've been thinking about this lately. In ED, there is no way to kill anyone. When you pop a ship, the pilot ejects and gets teleported to the last station he docked. You can't pop the ejection capsule. You can't wait around until the pilot suffocates.
There is no Murder involved at all. Just some destruction of property. Yet the game gives me a bounty for Murder. Something impossible to do in ED.

Unless you are not the pilot, but the ship :D. The ship gets murdered for good.

The only murder kind of activity would be to pop Slave canisters. But I suppose the slaves inside are not considered living beings because that results no fine or bounty.
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Space Lawyers, thats all we need
 

Kiblams

Kiblams
Arry said:
Murder?

This is down to 'motive'. Without motive, there can't be murder, therefore your intention is taken into account. It has nothing to do with your motives or actions, that the crew survives.

Therefore, the crime, until proved otherwise, is murder.

Arry.
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When I read the OP I was like:
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But then I red yours and I was like:
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Pendra

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If we think about the motive, it is more like Attempted murder. But it fails by default. If I shoot you with blanks from a gun that is certificated as a stage gun, and w are both totally aware of this, would that be considered attempted murder?

AI ejects for sure. There is no other explanation for the same guy flying around 30 mins after I popped him.

The friendly pilot pickup doesn't work because it happens instantly. Plus what if you pop 20k LY from the habited bubble? You may wait hundreds of years for someone to find you and bring you home. It very gamey.
 

ianw

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I have to say it can't legally be murder unless someone dies - and as we know we have magic escape pods that somehow warp us back to our last station.

It could be attempted murder if you could prove the intent of the attacker was to kill - the fact that they were unsuccessful in killing is irrelevant if you can prove their intent.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury - I rest my case!
 

p.opus

p.opus
Poseidal said:
There are no pilots, we are merely the ship AI in a world where humans are long dead. When you destroy the ship, you 'murder' another AI, but most of us have backups that are activated on a new ship on destruction of the original.
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You are almost right. What really happens is we wake up in a station, to the calm soothing voice of GERTY and told we were ALMOST killed in an accident that we have no memory of and that we are recovering fine. And as long as we don't look in the basement, we'll be ok.

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Han Brannigan said:
Nice another one who hates it if you confront him with his behaviour.
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What appeared to be an interesting intellectual thought experiment really only turns out to be a PVP kill junkie trying to rationalize his behavior......I had such high hopes for this thread.....
 
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Razor Romero

Razor Romero
Poseidal said:
There are no pilots, we are merely the ship AI in a world where humans are long dead. When you destroy the ship, you 'murder' another AI, but most of us have backups that are activated on a new ship on destruction of the original.
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Like it. There's a sci-fi story in there somewhere.
 

Loskene

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Pendra said:
If we think about the motive, it is more like Attempted murder. But it fails by default. If I shoot you with blanks from a gun that is certificated as a stage gun, and w are both totally aware of this, would that be considered attempted murder?

AI ejects for sure. There is no other explanation for the same guy flying around 30 mins after I popped him.

The friendly pilot pickup doesn't work because it happens instantly. Plus what if you pop 20k LY from the habited bubble? You may wait hundreds of years for someone to find you and bring you home. It very gamey.
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Cylon resurrection. When your ship explodes your body is killed (hence the lack of an ejection animation despite the computer's helpful suggestion), but your consciousness is transmitted back to a waiting clone body in the last starport you checked in at, using the same faster-than-light information transfer system that makes sure Galnet updates on time. I've searched far and wide and this is the only explanation that covers all the bases, and at least makes some measure of sense.

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Arry

Arry
Pendra said:
If we think about the motive, it is more like Attempted murder. But it fails by default. If I shoot you with blanks from a gun that is certificated as a stage gun, and w are both totally aware of this, would that be considered attempted murder?

AI ejects for sure. There is no other explanation for the same guy flying around 30 mins after I popped him.

The friendly pilot pickup doesn't work because it happens instantly. Plus what if you pop 20k LY from the habited bubble? You may wait hundreds of years for someone to find you and bring you home. It very gamey.
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You want to play with two sets of rules. Game rules; or game play and the rules of law.

You prove this by stating that after all, it is just a game, (stage gun and 'the same guy flying around after I popped him'.) So as a game, is 'can be', murder, or whatever the game creators wish to call this action.

Yet you wish to bring into the question, the basic rules of Roman based law. By stating it is technically, attempted murder? Attempted anything, in law, is as good as achieving that you wish to attempt. Again, it is not by any actions of your own, that death was not the result. So in a way, you are agreeing, that, the motive, is in fact, murder. Again, without motive, there is no act of murder, only death by other means.

What ever the weapon and in this game, even the smaller ones, are massive, you are using it to attack another player. Your intentions are to, 'destroy', 'cripple', 'kill'! Not too scratch the nice paintwork, on his or her ship. Such actions are permitted under the right circumstances and condemned under others, as in the basic rules of the game.

So, choose? It is a game and therefore, destroying another Commander's craft, without good reason, set down in the rules of the game, 'is' murder.

Or, use the technicalities of Roman based laws? With a 'well me lord, I didn't really want to kill him, when I emptied multiple magazines, from my auto-cannons, into his ship!' You can't have it both ways, or maybe you can, after all. it's just a game and the game says you are a murder, live with it.

Arry.
 
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Elpapo

Elpapo
Loskene said:
Cylon resurrection. When your ship explodes your body is killed (hence the lack of an ejection animation despite the computer's helpful suggestion), but your consciousness is transmitted back to a waiting clone body in the last starport you checked in at, using the same faster-than-light information transfer system that makes sure Galnet updates on time. I've searched far and wide and this is the only explanation that covers all the bases, and at least makes some measure of sense.

http://geekroniques.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/cuve.jpg
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Because there is no humans in ED... They all are Cylons.
 

matemaster

matemaster
@OP
Its game mechanics its like that in any other MMO game and yes it is technically murder
If you cant comprehend this current mechanics wait for ironman mode and play it
 

Arry

Arry
ianw said:
I have to say it can't legally be murder unless someone dies - and as we know we have magic escape pods that somehow warp us back to our last station.

It could be attempted murder if you could prove the intent of the attacker was to kill - the fact that they were unsuccessful in killing is irrelevant if you can prove their intent.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury - I rest my case!
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See my later post, it took a while to type, as paws and keyboard don't work well together.

Arry.
 
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