Python or FDL?

[Bacon Sarnie]

As the title suggests, Im unsure what ship to get.
I've returned from my 5 weeks exploring and after rationalising all my assests, thats selling the date and the Asp lol, I find my self with 69 Million and a fully specced up Vulture.
So I can afford both the FDL and the Python.
Always fancied the FDL, but Im completely unsure now that Im at that point wether to stick with it or get a Python.
Obviously I want to get a few upgrades for whichever ship I get but also I need to make sure I have insurance.
Im not prepared to having spent all that money be a massive eejit and lose it by rushing out totally spending all my cash.
I dont want to be "that guy"
So with lets call it 80 million if I strip and sell the Vulture which ship do I go for?

 

[Morbad]

So with lets call it 80 million if I strip and sell the Vulture which ship do I go for?

80 million is enough for a nice combat FDL.

80 million is enough for a trade Python.

 

[Alexander the Grape]

I say python. The FDL has nice stats but it's only really good for killing. The Python can do anything, and what's more it doesn't have a damn piece of metal right in the middle of your field of view!

 

[Bazorlag]

As the title suggests, Im unsure what ship to get.
I've returned from my 5 weeks exploring and after rationalising all my assests, thats selling the date and the Asp lol, I find my self with 69 Million and a fully specced up Vulture.
So I can afford both the FDL and the Python.
Always fancied the FDL, but Im completely unsure now that Im at that point wether to stick with it or get a Python.
Obviously I want to get a few upgrades for whichever ship I get but also I need to make sure I have insurance.
Im not prepared to having spent all that money be a massive eejit and lose it by rushing out totally spending all my cash.
I dont want to be "that guy"
So with lets call it 80 million if I strip and sell the Vulture which ship do I go for?

Since you already have a Vulture, logical choice is to go with Python outfitted for trading first. Keep on using Vulture for RES and trade with Python when you are not in the mood to kill NPCs. After a while you will have enough to fully combat fit the python and you can choose to go with FDL + trade Python combo or Python + (insert hauling ship) combo.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

D rated Python with empty internals. I'd advise you get the A grade shield at 15% discount and RES hunt to get the A grade distributor.

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=605,5TP5TP5TP5Rr5Rr01Q01Q0Wg3wA,2-BaA07_6uBaA08I,7Um

Fight in RES for some cell banks and hull packages on and your set to combat your way to A grade (200mil total cost).


Otherwise you can take that 65mil build and take away the weapons for trade racks. Python is quite versatile as it goes...

 

[Djinn144]

this decision depends largely on what mode of play you prefer, FDL for Open and for combat, but if your PvE the Python is still king, even a trade Python with small shields and its weapons you can kill anything that jumps you.

 

[hoppryngil]

I've no experience with the FDL but I'm loving my recently purchased Python. Very adaptable and as mentioned above, exceptional in PvE. The outfitting costs are another matter...

 

[Shaamaan]

The Python is a multi-purpose ship, so there's that. It's more powerful than the FDL and probably a lot easier to fly (I didn't like the FDL and had trouble, compared to the Vulture - but this is a personal preference).

On the other hand, it is a LOT more expensive. You need ~150M for a combat specced Python (without it being maxed out), and ~100M for a decked out FDL.

 

[CMDR Holycow]

You don't really have enough money to fight in either one. When 1.3 comes out, you won't easily/cheaply be able to respec your ships, so you will likely need to decide if you want your python to be a combat or a trade ship. If combat, that is fine.. you just need a LLOOTT more money. If I could just "pick one"? It would have to be the python.

 

[Shocken-Orr]

80 million is enough for a nice combat FDL.

80 million is enough for a trade Python.

Thats about right! However, there is one big problem with the FDL and that is power.

With the release of 1.3 Beta, I jumped in and bought me a very cheap FDL. I then kitted it out the way I would want it and very similar to my real life Python. Even with an A grade power plant I am some 4 MW short of breaking even. 1 huge and 4 med weapon mounts with not enough power to make them all work at once. Yes, a good Python is 100+m but it is a tank, with plenty of power and a huge punch.

Downside is that the Python has wood interior where as the FDL has lovely leather, but then you can't have everything.

 

[Dr Roly]

I would not get either until you have a few more mil to cover insurance. Assuming you are going to use the ships for combat, do you play PvE or PvP. The jury is out for PvP (I prefer the Python) but I think the FdL is a more efficient PvE ship (if you like to bounty hunt, do missions etc).

 

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[PavelKCZ]

As the title suggests, Im unsure what ship to get.
I've returned from my 5 weeks exploring and after rationalising all my assests, thats selling the date and the Asp lol, I find my self with 69 Million and a fully specced up Vulture.
So I can afford both the FDL and the Python.
Always fancied the FDL, but Im completely unsure now that Im at that point wether to stick with it or get a Python.
Obviously I want to get a few upgrades for whichever ship I get but also I need to make sure I have insurance.
Im not prepared to having spent all that money be a massive eejit and lose it by rushing out totally spending all my cash.
I dont want to be "that guy"
So with lets call it 80 million if I strip and sell the Vulture which ship do I go for?

If you are playing mostly in Solo, I would recommend the following:

Buy back your Asp, retool it for trading (124t of cargo without shield), put a docking computer in it, find a nice trade loop and grind trade for couple of days. After that, you will have enough for combat fitted Python plus you will have trading Asp and full power Vulture. Plus you can buy an A-rated Howler as a taxi for transport between your ships

No joke, I just did the same couple of days ago. I bought my first Asp last Friday, when I got couple of milions from the 78 Ursa Major CG. I tooled the Asp for the exploration and make a short trip to California Nebula. I returned Tuesday and when I read about the 10% penalty for module exchange in Beta 1.3, I decided that I need more ships (I only had a Cobra, besides the Asp). So I retooled the Asp for trading and since Tuesday, I made 23 MCr from trading. And I only played two or max. three hours per day.
With those 23 milions, I today bought a fully kitted Vulture (approx. 21 MCr) and I have enough in bank for 2x insurance for Vulture plus 1.5 MCr for buying cargo if I want to trade again.

The Vulture is an ultimate combat ship for PvE, the Asp is almost ultimate exploring ship and Cobra is a swiss army knife. Now, I can switch between Vulture and trading Asp and make money in CGs, RESs and trading and hoarding money for Python which will be trading ship. When I will have trading Python, I retool Asp to explorer and I will have combat ship, exploring ship and trading ship.

Remember, that if there will be the 10% penalty on module exchange in 1.3, it will be really expensive to retool Python from combat to trade or something else. So, it is better to have several ships.

 

[rightsideupsidedown]

Honestly in that situation I would just get the Clipper, keep the Vulture and maybe pick up a puddle hopper Cobra. Then you can see what the Diamondback is like too. I'm beginning to wonder if it would be better to have a large amount of medium grade ships outfitted and spanned out among a particular set of systems than it would be to throw everything in a top tier ship and maybe 1 or 2 mediums.

 

[PavelKCZ]

Honestly in that situation I would just get the Clipper, keep the Vulture and maybe pick up a puddle hopper Cobra. Then you can see what the Diamondback is like too. I'm beginning to wonder if it would be better to have a large amount of medium grade ships outfitted and spanned out among a particular set of systems than it would be to throw everything in a top tier ship and maybe 1 or 2 mediums.

Problem with Clipper is that you cannot simply buy it, you need a Baron rank in Empire.

 

[Comrade Napoleon]

As many other respected Commanders put it : go Python
But bear in mind that a trade Python is like 90 Mill. and a pure combat Python is easily 170 mill.
Be safe- get 2

The Python is the most versatile ship in game, competing with Asp and 'Conda.
I swapped my wife for a Python, and never looked back.
(you can insert husband, if that's your choice, no hard feelings )
Cheers Cmdr's

 

[squeaky McPiggle]

I love my Fdl and wouldn't sell it, it's A grade in all the right places. I agree with people it is power starved.
I run mine fully kinetic, with a lovely class 4 cannon strapped underneath.
If you like battling, it's a good ship.
In a Res site, once a master anacondas shield is dropped, 3 subsystem hits to the power plant with my cannon, makes it pop like a stamped on bag of crisps!
It sounds awesome and it favours fast strikes, or as I use it, as strike support (team up) - my team mates strip Shields then I bring the big boy to bear on the target.. Boom!
End of day, the Fdl is cheaper, so if you do not like it, you can always sell it for a python.
Best wishes.

 

[Starender]

The FdL is cheaper, but it has so many issues, the only thing it has more than the Python is the speed, but for me it's not worth all the trouble, if i wanted a fast ship i would take a Clipper instead, because passed a certain amount of time/credit, you want a ship that is balanced, and certainly not think all day about what you have to sacrifice to make it better

as a conclusion, i'd say that the FdL is good if you don't care about anything else than fighting, or if you're not rich enough to buy a Python/Anac, i'm talking about stats of course, if you want to talk feelings and stuff about ships, i'm not the right guy for that

 

[Conda Pilot]

I love my Fdl and wouldn't sell it, it's A grade in all the right places. I agree with people it is power starved.
I run mine fully kinetic, with a lovely class 4 cannon strapped underneath.
If you like battling, it's a good ship.
In a Res site, once a master anacondas shield is dropped, 3 subsystem hits to the power plant with my cannon, makes it pop like a stamped on bag of crisps!
It sounds awesome and it favours fast strikes, or as I use it, as strike support (team up) - my team mates strip Shields then I bring the big boy to bear on the target.. Boom!
End of day, the Fdl is cheaper, so if you do not like it, you can always sell it for a python.
Best wishes.

I like this. It's not often that you see players using a ship's unique traits as part of a team solution.

 

[imashination]

Ive bounced back and forth between the python, fdl and anaconda endlessly, wasting close to 100M cr in 10% sales losses because I couldnt decide which to keep. Personally, I would say go for the python. 80M *will* get you one fully capable of trading or combat:
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=705,5TP5TP5TP5Rr5Rr0_g0_g0_g3gs,2-BQ9s7_6uB6A08I,0AA0AA7Um50o
Just drop the power distributor down for now if you need to recover some credits for other items.

FDL:
+ Very fast and manoeuvrable, fun to fly, can mass lock almost everything and escape any fight it chooses
+ Huge hardpoint, take down 40% of a condas power plant with a lucky shot from a cannon
- Infuriating range!, short jump range, thimble fuel tank, combat spec only leaves a class 2 fuel scoop which takes forever
- Power starved like the vulture, you will have to make some tough choices
- Horrible cockpit, that damn horizontal bar right in your face

Python:
+ Infinite power, you can pretty much fully A class everything in the ship
+ Great trader, combat ship, miner
+ Nice cockpit
+ Nice weapon placement