Immersion Immersion Immersion...
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Because having no cockpits is more immersive.
Flossy
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This is exactly how I would describe immersion and I have experienced it many times in other games. One very memorable occasion was during a historical scenario in a World War II flight sim, Air Warrior. I was a gunner in a B17 and we had been under heavy attack on our sortie to and from a target in Germany. We were on our way back to Britain, with the pilot carefully nursing the badly damaged B17, almost willing it to stay airborne long enough to land. As we crossed the North Sea, some Spitfires approached us and circled around as they escorted us back to Britain. As I looked out at the Spitfires, I had a lump in my throat and my eyes welled with tears as I had a tremendous feeling of 'being there' and feeling the same emotions that must have been felt in the past. As we finally landed on British soil I felt a great sense of relief that we were finally 'home'. That, for me, was total immersion!
I think any game that is capable of enabling such feelings can be described as immersive and if Elite Dangerous does that I for one will be overjoyed!
It's not necessarily about graphics - Air Warrior had extremely crude graphics by today's standards - but how you can get a feeling of 'being there' while playing.
I think the easiest way to sort this is simply replace the word with " Food Blender "
This game is totally Food Blender...
Cant come out tonight im totally food blendered into this game
If you want a food blender experience then buy Elite Dangerous
The Cockpits make this game much more food blenderish
Im going to load up Elite Dangerous and get totally food blendered ....................................And do myself a milk shake with my Immersion.......
Ok it works fine up to that bit :S
This game is totally Food Blender...
Cant come out tonight im totally food blendered into this game
If you want a food blender experience then buy Elite Dangerous
The Cockpits make this game much more food blenderish
Im going to load up Elite Dangerous and get totally food blendered ....................................And do myself a milk shake with my Immersion.......
Ok it works fine up to that bit :S
Immersion is in the eyes of the imm....errr.....ummm...the immersee ??
For me, immersiveness is defined as anything that helps a player to ignore/forget that they are playing a game, and feel as though they are a part of the universe. It's a form of escapism.
Anything that jars that experience, reminds me that the universe is not perfect such that you are reminded you are playing a game that has limitations (especially when those limits become obvious enough to disrupt your gameplay and perception of the game universe), that breaks immersion.
It's similar to a movie where the story is so jarring, the visual effects are poorly-constructed, and/or the acting is so wooden, that suspension of disbelief is killed stone-cold dead.
I had reservations about the flight model, but after seeing the Alpha videos, I'm willing to give it a shot come beta 1. If the rest of the game can be as polished as the Alpha combat scenarios, I imagine I'll be pretty happy with my experience (although I'll be expecting a lot - Frontier feels very limiting to me these days in terms of variety of missions, storyline arcs, variety of environments, and interactivity).
Anything that jars that experience, reminds me that the universe is not perfect such that you are reminded you are playing a game that has limitations (especially when those limits become obvious enough to disrupt your gameplay and perception of the game universe), that breaks immersion.
It's similar to a movie where the story is so jarring, the visual effects are poorly-constructed, and/or the acting is so wooden, that suspension of disbelief is killed stone-cold dead.
I had reservations about the flight model, but after seeing the Alpha videos, I'm willing to give it a shot come beta 1. If the rest of the game can be as polished as the Alpha combat scenarios, I imagine I'll be pretty happy with my experience (although I'll be expecting a lot - Frontier feels very limiting to me these days in terms of variety of missions, storyline arcs, variety of environments, and interactivity).
Anything that yanks you out of the game is non-immersive. And what exactly this is will depend on the person and their knowledge, experiences etc.
For example, a certified (medical) doctor watching an episode of Dr House will not be as immersed in it as the regular TV watcher. And that's because the real doctor will begin wondering at some point why the TV doctor seems to be missing something obvious.
In the same way, if you _know_ how physics work and why "World War II planes in space" is very, very wrong, you cannot help not being immersed.
HOWEVER, it has to be pointed out that the alternative for a realism lover would be not to have space combat in the conventional sense at all, but replace it with long distance missile combat between ships travelling at relativistic speeds and hardly seeing each other anywhere else than on a scanner screen... It would not be combat as it was in FFE (which was also unrealistic, although the flight model was more realistic), but more about strategy/tactics.
It would be a very different game.
For example, a certified (medical) doctor watching an episode of Dr House will not be as immersed in it as the regular TV watcher. And that's because the real doctor will begin wondering at some point why the TV doctor seems to be missing something obvious.
In the same way, if you _know_ how physics work and why "World War II planes in space" is very, very wrong, you cannot help not being immersed.
HOWEVER, it has to be pointed out that the alternative for a realism lover would be not to have space combat in the conventional sense at all, but replace it with long distance missile combat between ships travelling at relativistic speeds and hardly seeing each other anywhere else than on a scanner screen... It would not be combat as it was in FFE (which was also unrealistic, although the flight model was more realistic), but more about strategy/tactics.
It would be a very different game.
I think there's something to clear out of the way.
Immersion or suspension of disbelief?
The first brings the second.
I want suspension of disbelief, and for that there’s many things that helps.
Cockpits are one.
No Hello Space Kitty is another...
But I can ride a bike and I have no dashboard and one moron has a Hello kitty lambo (I kid you not).
That doesn't make my day less real...
Aaaaand Pipin Christmas... ( I'm fed up with Merry)
Immersion or suspension of disbelief?
The first brings the second.
I want suspension of disbelief, and for that there’s many things that helps.
Cockpits are one.
No Hello Space Kitty is another...
But I can ride a bike and I have no dashboard and one moron has a Hello kitty lambo (I kid you not).
That doesn't make my day less real...
Aaaaand Pipin Christmas... ( I'm fed up with Merry)
Is this immersion?
For my total immersion, I finally managed to win the wings of Elite status
For my total immersion, I finally managed to win the wings of Elite status
Just having a christmas rant.
I go out too much, my hangover tells me this is so.
i was thinking more of a bracing walk in the country or perhaps a swim in the sea, now that would be immersive.
suspension of disbelief is something you have to do....that then allows immersion. the quality of the story being told to you helps of course.
People seem to have roughly the same understanding of what is meant by immersion, so I find the term very useful in general. But sometimes immersion comes with trade-offs and that's where I typically see people disagreeing on what's acceptable.
No, I think that is Gold Farmer right there!Is this immersion?
This is exactly how I would describe immersion and I have experienced it many times in other games. One very memorable occasion was during a historical scenario in a World War II flight sim, Air Warrior. I was a gunner in a B17 and we had been under heavy attack on our sortie to and from a target in Germany. We were on our way back to Britain, with the pilot carefully nursing the badly damaged B17, almost willing it to stay airborne long enough to land. As we crossed the North Sea, some Spitfires approached us and circled around as they escorted us back to Britain. As I looked out at the Spitfires, I had a lump in my throat and my eyes welled with tears as I had a tremendous feeling of 'being there' and feeling the same emotions that must have been felt in the past. As we finally landed on British soil I felt a great sense of relief that we were finally 'home'. That, for me, was total immersion!
I think you are my new favourite person in the whole of the gaming world. I liked your story. Me and my brother have plenty of those stories when it comes to gaming. I hope we have more with Elite.
You're welcome to join our Alliance.
CLASSIC. Lol.
Shows age with getting that joke. And being in the same hot water with my dad (bad pun).