Well its looking like the Python then.
Gonna have a couple of days off first though.
Gonna have a couple of days off first though.
Python or FDL?
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My combat FDL, which is built under no budgetary constraints, only costs ~72 mil, without any discounts.
I don't feel the FDL is especially power constrained, and I power all my weapons, a solid suite of counter measures, tandem SCBs, all simultaneously, without issues.
I disagree with pretty much all of this, and I have about 250 hours and 200 CMDR kills in the FDL at this point. I'm also 21k Ly from Sol, in an FDL, right now.
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This! I cant agree with the first point since its possible with hard power management, but all others are true.
I have to admit, I have a FDL only since 2 days, but it just doesnt feel like an upgrade from the Vulture, the fire power is nearly the same (currently 4 pulse + 1 canon (very hard to hit with) ) und the shields... well, they are stronger, but also easier to hit. Im going straight for the python now.
I've got both, the FDL is much better for fighting in IMO as it's a lot more agile. There are power issues but I have managed to get a decent load out and use module priority. The Python is better at everything else.
If your main aim is to get a straight upgrade to your Vulture then go with the FDL, if the aim is to get a ship to complement your Vulture so you have the option for other roles then get the Python.
If your main aim is to get a straight upgrade to your Vulture then go with the FDL, if the aim is to get a ship to complement your Vulture so you have the option for other roles then get the Python.
Haven't flown the FDL yet, but fitting a Python for PVE isn't nearly as expensive as some people claim here.
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=605,5...,2-BQ9s7_6uB69Y8I,16y0AA7Uc7iM7iM07205U05U03w
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=605,5...,2-BQ9s7_6uB69Y8I,16y0AA7Uc7iM7iM07205U05U03w
Personally I much prefer the python.
Python hits harder and can carry many more SCBs, and is still maneuverable enough to maintain a firing solution on most any ship. However, it's low speed cripples any pursuit action and is a serious hindrance to fighting on the move (and most fights move).
When in my FDL I certainly have a healthy fear of a sufficiently skilled CMDR in a combat Python and probably would not attempt to take him or her on alone, but I know that I dictate the terms of the engagement. In wing combat, I don't target Python, I avoid them while attempting to destroy or drive off their more fragile wingmen...who are often more of a threat because they can follow me more easily.
even less that http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=705,5...,2-Ba9s7_6uBQ9s8I,16y0AA7Uc50o7iW07205U05U03w
less than 75 millions
Thats a nice build. Ill give it a try, thanks
I forgot to put in a class 4 fuel scoop, although the jump range is still pretty decent without one. Also, you could easily swap out the hull reinforcement package for any other purpose (you're not really supposed to let shields drop anyway).
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I made similar topic back when i was in similar position: python or fdl. After sugestions i bought a python and... Hated it, after vulture it felt like a flying brick, sold it and bought an fdl, that was it! I love my fdl, even with his shortcomings (which you can work around btw) ill never sell it, also thanks to the lower price i was able to buy t7 for trading, which has slightly lower cargo load than python, but still capable enough. My python wasnt full A graded, but thrusters were A, and still didnt like the way it flew.
just my two cents
just my two cents
Well I didnt have my couple of days off.
I sold the vulture and with my 81 million I bought and fitted a Python out and had 5 million left.
I've spent a couple of hours running stuff around near Sol and managed to get another 2 million in the bank.
I didnt fly without insurance, I came close by about 175k to not having it at one point as I bought cargo.
Not taken her into combat yet but shes outfitted for it.
I am greatly impressed with it, its agile enough and faster than I thought. Would love to have seen what it was like before the nerf though.
Thanks for the advice guys.
I sold the vulture and with my 81 million I bought and fitted a Python out and had 5 million left.
I've spent a couple of hours running stuff around near Sol and managed to get another 2 million in the bank.
I didnt fly without insurance, I came close by about 175k to not having it at one point as I bought cargo.
Not taken her into combat yet but shes outfitted for it.
I am greatly impressed with it, its agile enough and faster than I thought. Would love to have seen what it was like before the nerf though.
Thanks for the advice guys.
You dont actually need to have enough power, a trick ive found is that if you offline the Cargo Scoop in your modules section that usually allows you a bit extra to play with. Found it very helpful when i was fitting my Vulture.
I really tried to like the FdL. I really did. When they first released it I sold my Clipper and Vulture in order to try it out. Hated it almost immediately. The only thing worth putting on that huge hardpoint is a cannon and I found I could only get a hit on target at point blank range due to the slow projectiles. By the time the shell had ambled over to the target it wasn't there any more. And the 4 medium points didn't seem to add up to as much firepower as the two large on the Clipper and Vulture.
I kept it for 24 hours and swallowed the 5 million loss and sold it.
Then when the Facece goal came around and there was a discount I tried it again. By that time I had a Python, and again the FdL fell short. I upgraded it and ran it alongside my Python but after a week or so I found that it was just gathering dust in the hangar as I always took the Python out in preference.
Then last week I decided to give it another chance. I bought one, tooled it up and took it to Persephone. I've got used to using the cannons now, I have a large one on the underside of my Python, so out we went to the RES and started farming the bounties. I used it for almost the whole CG but somehow it just felt more fragile than the Python. In that I feel invincible. I brush off the stings of a large ship's wingmen while I take him out then watch them running away. With the FdL I had to take them out first because those two sidewinders would do enough damage to my FdL shields to put me at risk from the big ship's weapons.
In almost every way the Python is better. Longer jump range, much larger fuel tank, very much more powerful shields. NPC wings that the Python can handle with ease have the FdL running away with collapsed shields. And I can still carry cargo if I want to. I can power everything with ease.
1 huge hardpoint and 4 mediums do not trump three large and two medium. The large cannon on my Python isn't much less powerful than the huge one on the FdL and two large and two medium pulse lasers are way better than four medium.
Yes, the Python is more expensive than the FdL, almost twice as much when you've got it kitted out but it's twice as good.
(I've sold the FdL again. I don't think I'll be buying another)
I kept it for 24 hours and swallowed the 5 million loss and sold it.
Then when the Facece goal came around and there was a discount I tried it again. By that time I had a Python, and again the FdL fell short. I upgraded it and ran it alongside my Python but after a week or so I found that it was just gathering dust in the hangar as I always took the Python out in preference.
Then last week I decided to give it another chance. I bought one, tooled it up and took it to Persephone. I've got used to using the cannons now, I have a large one on the underside of my Python, so out we went to the RES and started farming the bounties. I used it for almost the whole CG but somehow it just felt more fragile than the Python. In that I feel invincible. I brush off the stings of a large ship's wingmen while I take him out then watch them running away. With the FdL I had to take them out first because those two sidewinders would do enough damage to my FdL shields to put me at risk from the big ship's weapons.
In almost every way the Python is better. Longer jump range, much larger fuel tank, very much more powerful shields. NPC wings that the Python can handle with ease have the FdL running away with collapsed shields. And I can still carry cargo if I want to. I can power everything with ease.
1 huge hardpoint and 4 mediums do not trump three large and two medium. The large cannon on my Python isn't much less powerful than the huge one on the FdL and two large and two medium pulse lasers are way better than four medium.
Yes, the Python is more expensive than the FdL, almost twice as much when you've got it kitted out but it's twice as good.
(I've sold the FdL again. I don't think I'll be buying another)
I don't think you understand how to spec your FDL. FDL has better shields than python (just less cells). FDL has lots of things to put on the underside hardpoint.
FDL is a much smaller target, turns better, and generally takes less damage than the python. Taking damage is not its weakness.
FDL is a much smaller target, turns better, and generally takes less damage than the python. Taking damage is not its weakness.
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As the title suggests, Im unsure what ship to get.
I've returned from my 5 weeks exploring and after rationalising all my assests, thats selling the date and the Asplol, I find my self with 69 Million and a fully specced up Vulture.
So I can afford both the FDL and the Python.
Always fancied the FDL, but Im completely unsure now that Im at that point wether to stick with it or get a Python.
Obviously I want to get a few upgrades for whichever ship I get but also I need to make sure I have insurance.
Im not prepared to having spent all that money be a massive eejit and lose it by rushing out totally spending all my cash.
I dont want to be "that guy"
So with lets call it 80 million if I strip and sell the Vulture which ship do I go for?
Highly recomend forget python - Too expensive for your budget
Forget FDL -Power problems
Buy Imperial Clipper-No power issue Good trader Very good at combat
I bought the Python Lol.
Decided on it last night.
Outiffted it nicely too.
Had a Clipper a few months ago, disliked it immensely.
Tried python, tried fdl... python at least is great multipurpose ship. It can do almost anything, is good for missions, can do nice trade runs with outposts, can complete assasination missions, and you do not even need to change equipment. It is a bit slow and sluggish compared to vulture, but still maneuverable enough. Nice ship to have when you want to do a little bit of everything in single ship.
But fdl... did not find why will i use it instead of vulture. It is still pure fighter incapable of completing other tasks, has awfull jump range and fuel tank and huge price, and for PVE purposes it is only marginally better then vulture, while being less agile. It is not bad, but i just cannot justify its price compared to vulture.
But fdl... did not find why will i use it instead of vulture. It is still pure fighter incapable of completing other tasks, has awfull jump range and fuel tank and huge price, and for PVE purposes it is only marginally better then vulture, while being less agile. It is not bad, but i just cannot justify its price compared to vulture.