Aaaaand this is why I don't play Open Play - and possibly ED
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The only place I've been 'griefed' is Altair. I spend most of my time in and around the Lave, Zaonce and Arexe area and only last night did I get interdicted. Now, I've been wanting this to happen for ages for a bit of RP. As it happens I was in a Hauler with no Cargo. All stop, and the CMDR "Yaaargh"'s me. I state that I'm running empty holds and he scans and lets me go. Don't know whether he was CODE but that's what they're supposed to do.
Good pirate and a good bit of fun. Danger is really hard to find, even if you're looking for it (without necessarily provoking it).
Apart from the idiot in Altair anyway.
Or stop crying if we die.
This thread is seriously awesome. Entertaining combat stories, rousing debate on PvP versus PvE, thought provoking discussion of morality and justice, and flame wars, all in one place. Reading this was almost more fun than playing the game!
Never read teh Open vs. thread then...
It boggles my mind every time I read stuff like this. It really does.
You would think there are no other systems to play in, that in all +10,000 of civilized system you will inevitably find a CMDR that would kill you, that OPEN is a haven for griefers and that you will never be safe -as if you had to, in the first place.
Look, I agree with the bounty system screwed up big time. Got it. The whole bounty hunting is flawed. Got it. But from that to conclude that Open, or ED altogether is flawed, indicates a deep ignorance on the many alternatives you could add to your gameplay to avoid these circumstances.
Am I the only one who escaped the hell of the starting systems as soon as I could to never be back again? I went to a backwater system, where traffic was low and my chances were good. Occasionally would see a CMDR and got griefed only twice when I went to LAVE myself to check what all this griefing was about. I HAD TO LOOK FOR DANGER not the way around.
So please, stop it already with the "THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO". Suck it up buttercup, get back to Solo, if inclined search and hunt the Orca and get a revenge, and man up and own your mistakes in the play. Move away from that area, and you will be fine.
HINT: I suspect that If your system is engulfed by one of the powers in powerplay, chances are your system has enough traffic of human cmdrs as to consider moving farther out.
You would think there are no other systems to play in, that in all +10,000 of civilized system you will inevitably find a CMDR that would kill you, that OPEN is a haven for griefers and that you will never be safe -as if you had to, in the first place.
Look, I agree with the bounty system screwed up big time. Got it. The whole bounty hunting is flawed. Got it. But from that to conclude that Open, or ED altogether is flawed, indicates a deep ignorance on the many alternatives you could add to your gameplay to avoid these circumstances.
Am I the only one who escaped the hell of the starting systems as soon as I could to never be back again? I went to a backwater system, where traffic was low and my chances were good. Occasionally would see a CMDR and got griefed only twice when I went to LAVE myself to check what all this griefing was about. I HAD TO LOOK FOR DANGER not the way around.
So please, stop it already with the "THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO". Suck it up buttercup, get back to Solo, if inclined search and hunt the Orca and get a revenge, and man up and own your mistakes in the play. Move away from that area, and you will be fine.
HINT: I suspect that If your system is engulfed by one of the powers in powerplay, chances are your system has enough traffic of human cmdrs as to consider moving farther out.
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Well, the lack of proper punishment for crimes is just one symptom of ED's most fundamental flaw: It is not balanced.
Elite never was balanced, if you think about it. In FE2 you can merrily waltz around in a completely indestructible Panther Clipper that one-shots everything the game throws at you.
But of course in the games of old this simply was not a problem. In a single player game no one cares if you drive the death star and laugh at puny police vipers exploding in the station entrance.
In ED the situation is slightly different. A non-neglectable percentage of players still abuses and exploits the sh*t out of unbalanced/broken game mechanics (of which ED has plenty). This is not new, in the 1980s they did just the same.
But in 2015 this negatively affects other players experience through multiplayer technology. Either directly (by being harassed or ganked) or indirectly (by feeling like a moron for not taking the easy route oneself).
So far I have seen just one reasonable response to people complaining about ED being that way: "Deal with it".
But then again the people spearheading the "Deal with it" paradigma forget that there is a reasonable response to that as well.
It's called "whatever, I'll just do something else - watch TV, read a book, knit a sweater".
And I would wager that the "whatever" group of people does not post massive forum rants while leaving. They just leave.
Elite never was balanced, if you think about it. In FE2 you can merrily waltz around in a completely indestructible Panther Clipper that one-shots everything the game throws at you.
But of course in the games of old this simply was not a problem. In a single player game no one cares if you drive the death star and laugh at puny police vipers exploding in the station entrance.
In ED the situation is slightly different. A non-neglectable percentage of players still abuses and exploits the sh*t out of unbalanced/broken game mechanics (of which ED has plenty). This is not new, in the 1980s they did just the same.
But in 2015 this negatively affects other players experience through multiplayer technology. Either directly (by being harassed or ganked) or indirectly (by feeling like a moron for not taking the easy route oneself).
So far I have seen just one reasonable response to people complaining about ED being that way: "Deal with it".
But then again the people spearheading the "Deal with it" paradigma forget that there is a reasonable response to that as well.
It's called "whatever, I'll just do something else - watch TV, read a book, knit a sweater".
And I would wager that the "whatever" group of people does not post massive forum rants while leaving. They just leave.
He's not the only one. Flying a Harmless Anaconda gets some comments. Generally I use the Anaconda only for community goals (usually I fly an Asp). Last time (Persephone meds) I was interdicted by a Eagle CMDR, and later by a Hauler! I think it attracts them.
And Majinvash in his pirate Anaconda, but that's no problem
I'm certainly clueless about combat, but I've had lots of practice at getting away!
I complain about yobs who just shoot and won't communicate. It's bad manners.
BTW If Curly the Eagle, who interdicted me 3 times at Lave on Saturday is reading, I owe you an apology. I kept nagging you about not communicating, but later I discovered that I had the "Local Incoming Text" option disabled. I think my Docking Request macro must have malfunctioned and turned it off.
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Good lunch time thread this one.
I only have one observation to add or back up.
Given the Cmdr in the Orca is going out, looking for a challenge, hence picking on Anacondas - with a rebuy value of 5.5Mcr, exactly what level of Bounty is needed to convince the gentleman more civilised behavior is needed? I am pretty sure the answer is somewhere way above the point that makes piracy a practical vocation. It would be nice to see the whole Trader + Escort v Pirate v Bounty Hunter work better, but all FD can do is tweak things, we suck and see, rinse-repeat to get us there.
On another note I got attacked once...........
Simon
I only have one observation to add or back up.
Given the Cmdr in the Orca is going out, looking for a challenge, hence picking on Anacondas - with a rebuy value of 5.5Mcr, exactly what level of Bounty is needed to convince the gentleman more civilised behavior is needed? I am pretty sure the answer is somewhere way above the point that makes piracy a practical vocation. It would be nice to see the whole Trader + Escort v Pirate v Bounty Hunter work better, but all FD can do is tweak things, we suck and see, rinse-repeat to get us there.
On another note I got attacked once...........
Simon
Hello Dr Nick!
This. Have some rep. It's nice to hear of the Orca killing something other than its passengers!
You were griefing him, let's be fair, but the OP -- in a honking great anaconda -- had numerous chances to escape. His wing could have high-tailed it too. He actually only died when he turned to fight and crashed! He really doesn't have a leg to stand on when he comes in crying about it afterwards.
Obviously, Aleksej - you are a moderator
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Seriously now, this guy is right,
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I always play in open and rarely get attacked. If I do I accept it as part of the game and can play solo if I don’t like it. I always fly with insurance anyway.
Also PvP is the most fun you can have in this game and I don’t mind people who play the game for this.
Another issue this thread has raised however is the consequences for crimes in ‘high security systems’. There should be a much more focused effort from the system security vessels to attack and destroy someone who has just committed a murder but the way it is now its virtually lawless. It is also too easy to just pay off your bounty. Once wanted you should stay that way until someone claims your bounty by killing you.
High security systems should be relatively safe and well policed, and on the flip side of this, anarchy systems should be much more dangerous with a good risk/reward system (better trade pricess or missions for anarchy systems). Right now there feels like no difference in security levels.
Also PvP is the most fun you can have in this game and I don’t mind people who play the game for this.
Another issue this thread has raised however is the consequences for crimes in ‘high security systems’. There should be a much more focused effort from the system security vessels to attack and destroy someone who has just committed a murder but the way it is now its virtually lawless. It is also too easy to just pay off your bounty. Once wanted you should stay that way until someone claims your bounty by killing you.
High security systems should be relatively safe and well policed, and on the flip side of this, anarchy systems should be much more dangerous with a good risk/reward system (better trade pricess or missions for anarchy systems). Right now there feels like no difference in security levels.
How is it griefing? It's perfectly within how ED plays. If he rammed him in a station, then that would be a different matter. PvP != griefing.
I wouldn't mind trying my Python against his Orca, though.
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Curious as to how much the OP's rebuy was.
In a 'conda typically kitted out for PvE or trading, it couldn't have been much more than 8m cr, which is 2hrs tops in a reasonable trading route.
When I want to do RES or Nav Beacons with my son, we always go into Mobius. He's 11 and I'm trying to not get him attached to his ship.
Which obviously the OP was...
In a 'conda typically kitted out for PvE or trading, it couldn't have been much more than 8m cr, which is 2hrs tops in a reasonable trading route.
When I want to do RES or Nav Beacons with my son, we always go into Mobius. He's 11 and I'm trying to not get him attached to his ship.
Which obviously the OP was...
What was buggy about it? The Orca weighs in at a Hefty 1022.7 tons. The Anaconda was around 800 something. I have about 1k Armor on it about, plus military composite. She is built to smack into something, and smack into it hard. That Anaconda was very much not built for that and was not on par with the weight class. 1020t moving at 400m/s is going to do a metric f-ton of damage.
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let me see if I got this right, OP... A shieldless Orca killed you in your Anaconda, and you're here complaining about it? I AM AT A LOSS FOR WORDS!
Because he wasn't attempting to gain anything from him. He wasn't pirating. He wasn't bounty hunting. He wasn't score settling. He wasn't blockading or self-defending. He was actively seeking out and killing somebody for the lulz. That is the very definition of griefing.
So is me following a n00b around Eravate all week blasting him. It'd still be griefing, though.
It may not be illegal or an exploit or even particular egregious (it isn't, it's actually really funny as he's deliberately going up against stronger opponents). But it is destroying someone for no valid in-game reason who isn't looking for a fight because it amuses you. That's griefing.
Of course it isn't. But griefing is necessarily a subset of PvP.