Fellow Empire players which power are you choosing?

[Poseidal]

Au contraire; I think it shows she is the one true heir!

Rather than a puppet to Blaine, I am now convinced she is the one pulling the strings.

Why? Without her, Blaine (if his disposition allowed it) could easily get behind any of the senators and they would accept his help willingly - and he would still run the show behind their curtains rather than Hengist's if it came to it. However, he has thrown his support behind Arissa, which if he were a puppet master after power, would not need to do. She either has some legitimacy or is the perfect manipulator and is much more intelligent than the other prospectives. And both work.

 

[Commander Starcloak]

Au contraire; I think it shows she is the one true heir!

Rather than a puppet to Blaine, I am now convinced she is the one pulling the strings.

Why? Without her, Blaine (if his disposition allowed it) could easily get behind any of the senators and they would accept his help willingly - and he would still run the show behind their curtains rather than Hengist's if it came to it. However, he has thrown his support behind Arissa, which if he were a puppet master after power, would not need to do. She either has some legitimacy or is the perfect manipulator and is much more intelligent than the other prospectives. And both work.

Oh I was never one of those who thought she was Blaine's puppet. In fact I found such an assertion extremely odd.

I considered her myself quite seriously at one point, as she has all the intelligence I would look for. But her use of humanitarian aid as a cover was simply despicable. That is deplored by humanitarian organisatiosn everywhere. And I cannot fight for her when she has been so closed-mouthed and told me nothing of her principles, her values, her ethics. From her actions her ethics are clear enough. Perhaps there is nothing she will not stoop to, in the grand tradition of Henson Duval indeed.

A pity that so many misguided citizens are confused about where their loyalties should lie. It is to the Empire's vision of Humanity's bright future - not to blood.

 

[Daeron]

There's been no indication that it was presented to the Senate. And certainly no response from the Senate. Obviously there is no evidence that can stand up.

On the contrary, a person of integrity and honour, knowing the truth, would not throw their innocent colleagues under the bus. Even to cut them loose would suggest that he himself had some part in it and was merely trying to save his own skin. What actually happened was nothing of the sort. He did not effectively say anything. There is no rebellion, no megalomania.

Patreus does not want to foment rebellion or secession. He wants to rule over a united Empire. He has never displayed any signs of sociopathy, irrationality, or hatred.

Quite the contrary, it is Arissa's total lack of scruples that spell utter disaster for the Empire.

It spells utter disaster for the Enemies of the empire. Very tiny and easily missed detail there. I can see why that would be worrying, indeed.

Patreus is a pretender, and a detractor, with dangerous ideas of abandoning the bloodline. Without tradition, we will end up as thugs and pirates before you can say Arrrchenar! He is very fond of all sorts of foreigners and assorted ruffians out there at any rate, seeing where his money comes from! We need an internal economy, we're not living on pure air here, even in 3301!

 

[Commander Starcloak]

It spells utter disaster for the Enemies of the empire. Very tiny and easily missed detail there. I can see why that would be worrying, indeed.

Patreus is a pretender, and a detractor, with dangerous ideas of abandoning the bloodline. Without tradition, we will end up as thugs and pirates before you can say Arrrchenar! He is very fond of all sorts of foreigners and assorted ruffians out there at any rate, seeing where his money comes from! We need an internal economy, we're not living on pure air here, even in 3301!

Ah, I see you are one of those misguided folks who believe in loyalty to the blood, not the greatness of the Empire. True belief in the ideals and principles is what should inspire you. The will to strive beyond Humanity's limits and become more than what we are, to drive ourselves always to excel, and grow in wisdom, to push the boundaries of Human experience. The citizens of the Empire should not tie themselves to someone merely by blood. Rather, we should gather wherever there is someone of insight and inspiration, who can motivate us to better Humanity, motivates us to each as individuals make our own reach to become more than what we are. The very best amongst us; the intelligent, the strategic, the wise. And, when the time comes, they should pass their power to whoever next has the most merit and excellence - not hold onto it for themselves or their bloodline, not let greed and selfishness warp their decision, and thus hand off the leadership to someone who does not deserve it but shares their blood. No man or woman is infallible. Likewise no loyalty to blood should ever be unquestioned. Loyalty to the grand vision of Humanity's future, and the struggle to better ourselves and grow in wisdom and humility, should be what truly earns your admiration and your dedication.

Tradition without reason is only for those who fear progress, and wish for stagnation. But if we stagnate, we cease to evolve. Stagnation is a dead end for Humanity. Tradition should not be blind and unquestioning.

All this talk of the Empire's enemies... you cannot see beyond the petty squabbles of a nanosecond. You must consider the eons to come of Humanity's future. Humanity must unify. That is our future. And the Empire has a chance to lead the way. I will welcome any and all who believe in the same principles as I do. Honour. Honesty. Integrity. Introspection. Compassion. Intelligence. Excellence. Wisdom. Strategy. Ambition. Inspiration. Admiration. It is foolish to reject or discriminate against outsiders who share in this knowledge and these ideals.

 

[Cosmos]

I personally am going with Zemina Torval due to all her benefits to trading, mining, and for her staunch stance against unemployment.

As an someone deeply concerned with economics i am all about stopping the, ahem unemployment.

What about everyone else any other Torval supporters here? If not which empire leader are you going for?

I lol'd at your unemployment comment. Shes one of my favourites too, but I like Patreaus and whilst I may hop initially to get some goodies, Mr villain has loads of combat orientated stuff. Not so much with Torval - I'm not a messenger

 

[Daeron]

Ah, I see you are one of those misguided folks who believe in loyalty to the blood, not the greatness of the Empire. True belief in the ideals and principles is what should inspire you. The will to strive beyond Humanity's limits and become more than what we are, to drive ourselves always to excel, and grow in wisdom, to push the boundaries of Human experience. The citizens of the Empire should not tie themselves to someone merely by blood. Rather, we should gather wherever there is someone of insight and inspiration, who can motivate us to better Humanity, motivates us to each as individuals make our own reach to become more than what we are. The very best amongst us; the intelligent, the strategic, the wise. And, when the time comes, they should pass their power to whoever next has the most merit and excellence - not hold onto it for themselves or their bloodline, not let greed and selfishness warp their decision, and thus hand off the leadership to someone who does not deserve it but shares their blood. No man or woman is infallible. Likewise no loyalty to blood should ever be unquestioned. Loyalty to the grand vision of Humanity's future, and the struggle to better ourselves and grow in wisdom and humility, should be what truly earns your admiration and your dedication.

Tradition without reason is only for those who fear progress, and wish for stagnation. But if we stagnate, we cease to evolve. Stagnation is a dead end for Humanity. Tradition should not be blind and unquestioning.

All this talk of the Empire's enemies... you cannot see beyond the petty squabbles of a nanosecond. You must consider the eons to come of Humanity's future. Humanity must unify. That is our future. And the Empire has a chance to lead the way. I will welcome any and all who believe in the same principles as I do. Honour. Honesty. Integrity. Introspection. Compassion. Intelligence. Excellence. Wisdom. Strategy. Ambition. Inspiration. Admiration. It is foolish to reject or discriminate against outsiders who share in this knowledge and these ideals.

Law, Order, Justice, and Loyalty ( Loyalty to tradition ).

 

[Commander Starcloak]

Law, Order, Justice, and Loyalty ( Loyalty to tradition ).

Sure, be content to live out your life in comfortable ignorance, maintaining the status quo, never trying to achieve anything or contribute to pushing the boundaries of Human experience. I for one believe in a fair and just society, based on meritocratic principles, and I intend to make a worthy mark on this galaxy, bettering the lives of others.

 

[Daeron]

Sure, be content to live out your life in comfortable ignorance, maintaining the status quo, never trying to achieve anything or contribute to pushing the boundaries of Human experience. I for one believe in a fair and just society, based on meritocratic principles, and I intend to make a worthy mark on this galaxy, bettering the lives of others.

To elaborate, the arrow that strikes true, will go to the heart. The one that fails will have to go through a lot of air. This is why the essence is so short and sweet, compared to all that surrounds it. A veritable symphony of distractions. You use so many words to explain something that should be simple. A society based on the foundations of its own history, where one generation follows the next, the past and the present, combined to enter the future.

When you create a new wheel for every generation, you also waste a lot of time and resources on the process building and running it. For it is a huge wheel! We already have the highest living standard in the Galaxy, there is nothing to improve, only to preserve! And as you say, a fair and just society. Allthough I doubt we put the same meaning to those words.

Preservation is not the same as stagnation. It is caretaking and maintenance of that which works. There will always be improvements in the way we do things, but no need to improve the things we know to work well. For under His Most Glorious Reign, we prospered! Why fix prosperity? There is only one way out of that question. And it is not a good one. It is not a hope for something better, it is at best a hope for change. And since it is a change not based on the past, it will not take us into the future! There will always be three components of time. Not two, and especially not one! Something so easily forgotten!

 

[Lazerus Artificial]

I will go for Zemina Torval, Mining and slaves ftw!

 

[Goorax]

Lady Kahina or sad panda.

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Hahaha, I opened this thread only to find sad panda. I'm totally behind the sad panda campaign

 

[Commander Starcloak]

To elaborate, the arrow that strikes true, will go to the heart. The one that fails will have to go through a lot of air. This is why the essence is so short and sweet, compared to all that surrounds it. A veritable symphony of distractions. You use so many words to explain something that should be simple. A society based on the foundations of its own history, where one generation follows the next, the past and the present, combined to enter the future.

When you create a new wheel for every generation, you also waste a lot of time and resources on the process building and running it. For it is a huge wheel! We already have the highest living standard in the Galaxy, there is nothing to improve, only to preserve! And as you say, a fair and just society. Allthough I doubt we put the same meaning to those words.

Preservation is not the same as stagnation. It is caretaking and maintenance of that which works. There will always be improvements in the way we do things, but no need to improve the things we know to work well. For under His Most Glorious Reign, we prospered! Why fix prosperity? There is only one way out of that question. And it is not a good one. It is not a hope for something better, it is at best a hope for change. And since it is a change not based on the past, it will not take us into the future! There will always be three components of time. Not two, and especially not one! Something so easily forgotten!

Strange that you should need to use so many words.

Well, good to know that all the past revolutions in Human history were a massive waste of time and resources. I'll drop you off on the nearest Earth-like with a hammerstone and a flint nodule. Good luck!

The Empire has not reached the pinnacle that it can achieve. And obviously it does not work under the current system, or we would not be having the political crisis we currently are having.

"Why fix prosperity" - a loaded question that is predetermined to make the answerer look bad by only offering them the chance to agree with or deny it. As such, a fallacy. In actuality, prosperity can be increased. I know, it's a revelatory concept.

Excellence. Integrity. Wisdom. Anyone who holds true in their heart the meaning of Humanity knows that these ideals speak for themselves.

 

[Comrade Napoleon]

I think this Zachary Hudson guy is such a nice man, such nice hair, perfect Imperial gentleman.
He is very pleasant.


Cheers Cmdr's

 

[Daeron]

Hahaha, I opened this thread only to find sad panda. I'm totally behind the sad panda campaign

You guys need a big picture of a sad Krogan for your campaign. It might be the most effective thing short of nukes. If it is actually possible to differentiate the moods that is. *hides*

 

[Daeron]

Strange that you should need to use so many words.

Well, good to know that all the past revolutions in Human history were a massive waste of time and resources. I'll drop you off on the nearest Earth-like with a hammerstone and a flint nodule. Good luck!

The Empire has not reached the pinnacle that it can achieve. And obviously it does not work under the current system, or we would not be having the political crisis we currently are having.

"Why fix prosperity" - a loaded question that is predetermined to make the answerer look bad by only offering them the chance to agree with or deny it. As such, a fallacy. In actuality, prosperity can be increased. I know, it's a revelatory concept.

Excellence. Integrity. Wisdom. Anyone who holds true in their heart the meaning of Humanity knows that these ideals speak for themselves.

It took the early humans a good while to get anywhere, now that we actually have, we also have some great awareness of what is going on around us. I see no new revolutionary game changers here, only a brief moment of opportunism based on the lust for power. Power not by right, but by taking advantage of our trust in the system. Our system!

The system is not working right now, because some detractors have managed not to be loyal to it. The problem lies thus not with the system, it lies in the failure to accept it. And the order is threatened, while injustice lurks at the door!

Prosperity can be increased, but not by tapping into foreign resources, for the purpose of bribery within. I mean "Tax relief" of course. Something that doesn't work so well for the local economy, if we employ those three elements of time.

 

[Poseidal]

Arissa was providing the refugees what they really needed. Give a man some food or clothes and he's fed and warm for a day. Give him the means to take them back and he can be fed for the rest of his life!

Also did I tell you the Reactive Armour look is IN this season?

 

[Kava]

I am having difficulty deciding. The faction Plasma Accelerator and Multi-shot Railgun could be fun, but the shield generator would always be useful. As for which character is best, I think that Aisling, Patreus, and Torval are all pretty funny/cool. Arissa seems much more standard. So, I guess that narrows it to between the guy who forecloses on planets with a super plasma accelerator, or the girl who gushes about doing the right thing and has the better shields.

I'm just wondering how the missions will be. Could be that Patreus' combat-oriented missions will be more fun to complete. Not sure.

 

[Commander Starcloak]

It took the early humans a good while to get anywhere, now that we actually have, we also have some great awareness of what is going on around us. I see no new revolutionary game changers here, only a brief moment of opportunism based on the lust for power. Power not by right, but by taking advantage of our trust in the system. Our system!

The system is not working right now, because some detractors have managed not to be loyal to it. The problem lies thus not with the system, it lies in the failure to accept it. And the order is threatened, while injustice lurks at the door!

Prosperity can be increased, but not by tapping into foreign resources, for the purpose of bribery within. I mean "Tax relief" of course. Something that doesn't work so well for the local economy, if we employ those three elements of time.

What right does blood have? Some random strands of DNA qualify a person? Guarantee that they are the best person to lead? The system is blind. The system is based on unquestioning obedience instead of encouraging people to think for themselves. The system perpetuates a lack of innovation. What kind of qualification is blood, to rule? None at all.

What truly has the right is having the qualities and merit to be the best for the task.

The system is not working now because a murderer killed his sister and indoctrinated the populace not to question his crimes and instead be loyal to blood instead of real skill and admirable traits. The system is not working now because blood has nothing to do with leadership or competence or intelligence. The system is not working now because Hengist is at best a millstone around the Empire's neck whose poor decisions led to his son running rampant and his last minute switch to his so-called daughter before he could get the job finished properly and secured. What care did he have for his people? TRILLIONS of beings relied on him to ensure their future security. He failed in his duty, he failed in his responsibilities, he failed his people - there is no greater shame for a ruler. Rule by blood and you end up with any number of ill-suited leaders - the incompetent, the ill-tempered, the unintelligent, the sociopathic. Select the ruler based on actual merit - it is both just, and ensures the best leader for the Empire.

The only system that need be afraid of people asking questions is the system that is fatally flawed.

 

[Daeron]

What right does blood have? Some random strands of DNA qualify a person? Guarantee that they are the best person to lead? The system is blind. The system is based on unquestioning obedience instead of encouraging people to think for themselves. The system perpetuates a lack of innovation. What kind of qualification is blood, to rule? None at all.

What truly has the right is having the qualities and merit to be the best for the task.

The system is not working now because a murderer killed his sister and indoctrinated the populace not to question his crimes and instead be loyal to blood instead of real skill and admirable traits. The system is not working now because blood has nothing to do with leadership or competence or intelligence. The system is not working now because Hengist is at best a millstone around the Empire's neck whose poor decisions led to his son running rampant and his last minute switch to his so-called daughter before he could get the job finished properly and secured. What care did he have for his people? TRILLIONS of beings relied on him to ensure their future security. He failed in his duty, he failed in his responsibilities, he failed his people - there is no greater shame for a ruler. Rule by blood and you end up with any number of ill-suited leaders - the incompetent, the ill-tempered, the unintelligent, the sociopathic. Select the ruler based on actual merit - it is both just, and ensures the best leader for the Empire.

The only system that need be afraid of people asking questions is the system that is fatally flawed.

That is a lot of confidence, in a non-recovery! if Imperial Law had been in effect now, you would be so busted, your memory would be locked behind bars as well! And with bars I mean the darkest place in the universe, by the sound of all this denial!

By His Will shall the nature of the lost be revealed, and in turn the nature of their masters! I'm thankful though. For to know your enemy, is half the battle! See you on the star fields of conquest! His Light shall burn away the darkness once more, and they shall fall before His Radiance in wonder and awe. For in their darkness, they had eyes, but could not see!

 

[Perseus]

Lots of talk about tradition but I feel it's nothing more than a catchword for the foppish and foolish Imperials. If an Imperial CMDR wishes to hold true to traditional loyalty, then s/he must back Harold as the heir, despite his father's bizarre disinheritance of his own line (am I the only one who finds this very suspicious? I don't even know if it's legal!). The Princesses are out of the picture, regardless of how picturesque they may be. The Empire has always been primogeniture in it's succession.
If tradition is to break, then CMDR Starcloak is right. Let us have the man who holds true to the ancestral Emperors who founded and flourished our culture. If the house of Duval has waned, let the house of Patreus ascend and bring about a renaissance of Imperial expansion. Let new blood bring new life and vigour to the Empire, if blood be necessary for your social fidelity.
What Emperor kills his own line, or allows it perish? What Emperor kills his own Empire? Such madness cannot be allowed to happen, and Patreus is here to prevent it. The Empire IS more than any individual - we are all part of the Imperial family, to greater or lesser extents. The ideal is in each and every one of us. Stop being obsequious to a bloody, limp tradition and brace yourself to your Imperial duty.
The Federal dove has been lost in hyperspace, CMDRs, and now a hawk is roosting on Mars. How long till it makes war? Not long at all if it sees us divided and fractured. It has not forgotten it's defeat at our hands and it has not stopped hating us.
Get real and stop fantasying about gentle persuasion and progressive social decay in the Princesses. It's time to prepare for war and expansion. Back the power who's forte war is, back Senator Patreus.

 

[Commander Starcloak]

That is a lot of confidence, in a non-recovery! if Imperial Law had been in effect now, you would be so busted, your memory would be locked behind bars as well! And with bars I mean the darkest place in the universe, by the sound of all this denial!

By His Will shall the nature of the lost be revealed, and in turn the nature of their masters! I'm thankful though. For to know your enemy, is half the battle! See you on the star fields of conquest! His Light shall burn away the darkness once more, and they shall fall before His Radiance in wonder and awe. For in their darkness, they had eyes, but could not see!

Good to know you can't actually refute any of my points, merely refer to the fact that the tyrannical current system would see a person locked up for suggesting that an Emperor or Empress' greatest care should be the welfare of their own people. You can't even admit that in principle merit is worthier than blood to rule.

To all reasonable beings of an insightful mind; we can bring our future into the present and build a society based on all that is best of the essence of Humanity, through intelligence and wisdom. The best among us should be our inspiration, and his or her greatest care should be to uplift the people to achieve their own excellence. Power should pass freely always to the most worthy, not be held on to or inherited by blood. Our future should be one of improving our Humanity, not debasing it. Enquiry, profundity, complexity, compassion, empathy, wisdom, strength, strategy. Let us pursue all that is best about us. Thought should never be punished, for it is by questioning that we improve ourselves and understand who we are, and who we may become.

Commanders - did you become Elite by blood... or by skill? I call on every commander who worked at their achievements, every commander who knows in their heart that they should not be worthy of it had it been handed to them.