The only time I'll want the game to be open only is if it uses a traditional client <-> server model. Not as it is with P2P now.
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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I must be in a time warp...You are the n'th person to come up with exactly the same justifications. I wish someone would come up with a new, and more importantly valid reason to try and force people to play with them.
I'm pretty sure your dream can come true in the game today. (Well, the bringing fuel will have to wait for 1.3 to go live.) The fact that it doesn't is not the fault of Solo or Group players...
And yet it is so much harder in Open, so unfair to get credits in Solo. I'm sure somebody said that somewhere.
I never said I want to see the solo mode removed tho, if you want to play solo, go ahead. I just think that as the multiplayer interactions and the impact of the players on the galaxy and economy will increase, The ability to switch at your leisure should be restrained, it is common sense for me.
Right now this is not valid, because due to the few amount of multiplayer content, solo mode does not differ a lot from open play but in the future where I think multiplayer features will be added (with powerplay I think we can assume that Fdev are taking that road) Solo mode and open play will be 2 differents experience, at this point how can you not seperate the modes?
So you agree with the fact, that play in open play is and will become more complexe and hard than play in solo mode?
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If all players have the choice of which mode to play in (we do) and if some players choose to play in Open play (because they like player interaction) and if Open play is harder (depends very much where you are in the galaxy and who else is there) and if players complain that Open play is harder (because players compete with other players [the same players that they want to play with because they like the interaction] for the same targets, etc.): why should Frontier change anything?
Because, in some cases, the benefits of Private modes can vastly outweigh the benefits in Open, and create a feeling in Open players that they are forced to play in Private to be competitive. This is not a very widespread issue and can be circumvented by better CG design or avoidance of some content.
A feeling of being forced isn't the same as being forced. (For example removing Solo/Group modes would actually force players to play Open - I'm not suggesting you suggested that but it's an example of the difference for those following along at home.) That feeling can be negated by not trying to compete with everyone, because even if you get rid of Solo that feeling will persist if you keep that attitude. There will always be those players who you can't compete with because of the matchmaking or because of the platform, the time zone, the system they are in, the ship they are flying...
The design of Community Goals is totally at fault, I agree, not the play modes. But this debate existed before CGs so even if you change them or ditch them, the "issues" will remain.
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and point us to that fact though....
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erm hes open advocate like u ;p
The different modes AND mode switching is part of the reason there is even a game to play in the first place.
Also, the Devs have stated the modes, mode switching and the current fair and balanced system is here to stay.
Don't believe me, take a look;
From the Kickstarter;
*And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours...*
*you will be able to control who else you might encounter in your game – perhaps limit it to just your friends? Cooperate on adventures or chase your friends down to get that booty. The game will work in a seamless, lobby-less way, with the ability to rendezvous with friends
*Play it your way*
Your reputation is affected by your personal choices. Play the game your way: dangerous pirate, famous explorer or notorious assassin - the choice is yours to make. Take on missions and affect the world around you, alone or with your friends.*
*You simply play the game, and depending on your configuration (your choice) *
*We have the concept of “groups”. They can be private groups just of your friends or open groups (that form part of the game) based on the play styles people prefer, and the rules in each can be different. Players will begin in the group “All” but can change groups at will,*
From the forum archives;
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6300
All Players Group– Players in this group will be matched with each other as much as possible to ensure as many human players can meet and play together
Private Group – Players in this group will only be matched with other players in the same private group
Solo Group – Players in this group won’t be matched with anyone else ever (effectively a private group with no one else invited)
(All by a Lead Designer)
Also DB on Multiplayer and Grouping and Single (01:00 - 02:01) Plus how the Galaxy will evolve over time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5JY...kuz6s&index=18
"DB explicitly said that solo players would be able to do community goals, though back then they weren't called that. Dev Diary Video #2, at the 4:10 mark."
DB on "Griefing" and "Griefers"
(Listen out for the part where FD can move them in to a private group of just each other)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5hqjxmf4M
Rededit Topic on "unusual event for players to come against players" (With Twitch Video)
http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangero...ayers_to_come/
Direct Twitch Link; (Note DB use "Occasonial" and "unusual" regarding players interacting)
http://www.twitch.tv/egx/b/571962295?t=69m00s
Also, MMO does not mean "social" (It means lots of people connected)
Wikipedia;
A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet. MMOs usually have at least one persistent world, however some games differ.
Oxford English Dictionary (Online);
An online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously .
More Recent Dev comments;
Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Originally Posted by Numi
Will at any time solo and private group play be separated into a different universe/database from open play? It's kind of cheap that you can be safe from many things in solo, like player blockades and so on, and still affect the same universe.
No.
Michael
Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Originally Posted by Robert Maynard
Thanks for that clarity Michael.
Are you in a position to confirm that group switching between the three game modes will remain as a feature of the game?
We're not planning on changing that.
Michael
Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Originally Posted by mosh_er
Hi Micheal
I know you said that solo/group and open will always use the same universe, can you also say that there will be no specific perks in playing in one mode over another? i.e bigger profit from trading in open or bigger bounties?
None are planned at the moment.
Michael
David Braben AMA Thread said:Originally Posted by Alexander the Grape
In the newsletter, it was mentioned that an intersection between a trading power and a military power will result in piracy missions.
Will this make NPC piracy more profitable or will we continue to need to focus on players?
It can be more profitable, and it will apply to both players and NPCs.
David Braben AMA Thread said:Originally Posted by Adept
For fun
That said, it could be worth thinking about reducing the impact that solo & group players have on the political simulation.
Unlike community goals, Powerplay is a swinging balance - ie solo players are also balancing solo players.
Well this is not a complain about the fact that this is harder and more complex tho ( fine, i like it this way), this is a complain about the fact that you can switch at your leisure and by doing this you are falsing the others players' experience who wont switch.
And this is not because I can ease my gameplay that I would, I (and a lot players imo) want an immersive experience not a game where the dice could be rigged.
It's like you are playing an FPS, you could download a cheat and add some Noclip Aimbot to your gameplay but it is not because you can that you would because you want a true experience, where the fun is. ( ok this is maybe a bit extreme as an example but I think its a good one)
Well, to be fair, come and have that discussion when the circumstances are as you think they might one day be. It's an assumption that FD will move the game towards multi-player and thus away from Solo or Group, but nothing more. FD have consistently maintained that Solo (and Group) will be valid gameplay choices, and as far as Powerplay goes, they are, according to yesterday's Q&A with David Braben trying to make it more collaborative than competitive.
I'd be interested to understand what MP features you think will be added that aren't already there. I genuinely have no idea, as I'm not that much of a gamer, but they already give you the opportunity to wing up and so on. If you are talking about multi-player in terms of competition, then you may be right, but at some point they will have to make a decision and tell people that that is the way the game will go, and since they could lose a portion of their player base if they do that, I'm not sure you should hold your breath on it.
Again, in my last post that responded to you, I point out that people who say Open is so different from Solo also invariably say that they hardly ever see anyone in Open anyway, so what's the difference. I still don't see what magic move FD might make would change that, I really don't, but segregating the modes or trying to force people into one mode or the other is very unlikely to result in a sudden surge of willing players in Open.
The word u miss all the time is CHOISE
Thanks for this great post very detailled.
But I don't think I am really off topic on this, as I said at the current state of the game I don't see the point of separating the modes, but as the multiplayer content will be add making the modes different in terms of experience, I don't see how the question of the separation will not be ask again.
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You mean choice? lol
I am sorry, english is not my mother language but I assume you guessed it already.
Robert Maynard
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Complaining about other players using their free choice of which mode to play in would seem to be attempting to tell other players how to play - or seeking to limit their choices in some way.
A more accurate analogy would be to consider an FPS which could be played alone against NPCs, in private groups with other selected players and NPCs or in open play with other players and NPCs - no cheats involved, just free choice.
Open play is no more a "true experience" than any other game mode - players gravitate to their preferred mode(s) as they see fit and have the choice to do so.
im getting confused always on that words grammar lol;p
There are plenty, crafting, selling your craft, buying services and goods from player, hire player for a refueling, repairing or escort you to a RES, and of course that is all just made up suppositions on what FD could or could not do in the futur, but if you take a close look at all my posts on this thread that's what I say from the beginning, If the modes go seperates, it need some changes, additions, and if there is multiplayer content added, the separation question need to be asked.
I never talk about the games in its current state.
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The direction frontier is currently taking seems to imply Solo/Group mode are no longer seen as legitimate game modes.
Look at the past updates which have all been PVP centric apart from very small PVE additions.
In my mind frontier have spoken and already declared their contempt for any mode but open or any play style that doesn't involve blowing each other up.
Look at the past updates which have all been PVP centric apart from very small PVE additions.
In my mind frontier have spoken and already declared their contempt for any mode but open or any play style that doesn't involve blowing each other up.
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Except that in the NPC mode you can gather money much more easily as the NPC are weaker than humans, and use that same money to buy better weapons to kill humans in open play. lol I just don't see it the same way that's all.
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Robert Maynard
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In the AMA yesterday, DBOBE himself said this which does not seem to support that opinion:
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