ASP vs Diamondback Explorer

[puca]

LOL you wanted a ship that can jump to the galactic rim in one hop. To bad, it's an excellent ship. Go throw your money away and buy an annie. An annie conda a girls ship, ya know the biggest and tuffest cuz gurlz don't know how to fly. No offense to women, my wife is a great combat pilot.

You didn't even bother to understand why some explorers are hating on the DBE. Hint: it's not the jump range. But I am not sure why I am bothering to reply, reading is obviously not one of your strong suits.

Also, way to keep it classy with that casual misogyny.

 

[jabberwalkie]

I love how a few days after the shiny new cockpit smell of the DBE wore off, everyone is coming to the same conclusion I did on day one. Except I got yelled at it then, because NEW COCKPIT SMELL.

Enjoy your crap ship!

You are truly insufferable sometimes. This is one of those times.

 

[Captain Willard]

You didn't even bother to understand why some explorers are hating on the DBE. Hint: it's not the jump range. But I am not sure why I am bothering to reply, reading is obviously not one of your strong suits.

Also, way to keep it classy with that casual misogyny.

Why bother to understand small thinking eh? their minds are made up, don't bother confusing them with facts. Misogyny? LOL

 

[jabberwalkie]

You didn't even bother to understand why some explorers are hating on the DBE. Hint: it's not the jump range. But I am not sure why I am bothering to reply, reading is obviously not one of your strong suits.

Oh come off it, you are one of the min/max explorers obviously and more power to you in investing in that type of game play. But as usual you fail to remember, or perhaps it is selectively failing to do so, that other players are not as concerned with credits/hour over all when exploring. Trying to make it out that all explorers are as concerned with this aspect as you are would be incorrect to do so.

 

[CMDR Ashylnn D'Elyse]

so far from the 2 hours ive been using it in a high intensity RES near founders. compared to the viper which ive been using since day 2, this thing flies like a dream. its alittle slower but nothing dealbreaking that i cant handle and that 30 ly jump range and still have room for some rare goods is just cake. as i see it, the diamondback explorer is perfect for community goal hunting, just strolling from one side of the galaxy to the other and raking up all those creds plus making some nice cash honking at the systems in between while not having to worry about fuel is just... nice.

kinda wish it had slightly better maneuverability but again nothing i cant handle.

 

[lefty1117]

Who wins in a fight, combat Cobra or combat DB Explorer?

 

[Captain Willard]

Who wins in a fight, combat Cobra or combat DB Explorer?

Combat DB explorer? try that against a combat DB scout. Both designs are wonderful.

 

[CMDR Ashylnn D'Elyse]

probably the DBE because the large hardpoint makes a large difference...

pun not intended.

though in all seriousness DBE has the potential to outgun and out tank a cobra though i could be wrong, dont have the numbers in front of me, i only have about 2 hours under my belt so take what i say with a grain of salt.

 

[AsukaZ]

I've been using a Diamondback-E for a few days scanning nearby systems.

It strikes me as a poor persons explorer, Adequate but I prefer the Asp for long range stuff at the moment.

The D-E cockpit does seem to jiggle around a lot more in some situations, but it runs a bit cooler.
I think it's faster than the Asp as far as repetitive scoop-scan-jump goes, seems to cool down quicker and so shaves a few seconds off the Asp for the temperature to come down to where the next jump can be triggered. I'm hoping repair costs will be lower as well.

Internally it seems a bit 'cheap', exposed wiring and so-on. Built to a budget I guess, no luxuries here. I don't mind that so much.

It looks like a helicopter or an grasshopper. I think I'll call this one 'SS Katydid'.

For exploration. right now I'd give the Diamondback-E a 7/10 maybe, .. I rate the Asp higher at the moment, 8/10 maybe.
They'd get another point if they had 2 class one module slots.

 

[Senex VII]

The DBX seems a worthy addition to the ships available, but I doubt it will be in my hangar. Why not?

I use Asps for two things - exploring and rares trading - with two separate loadouts.

Exploring: I can get half-a-light-year further out of the Asp than a DBX (around 33 lightyears). That's a marginal difference. However, I can fit a bigger and still affordable scoop in the Asp, so scoop time is much faster - useful for CGs.

Rares trading: Much more cargo space (120 tons) in the Asp, faster boost and better armor. But no large hardpoint - which doesn't matter to me as when trading I'm interested in getting quickly from A to B.

Price difference between comparable loadouts tends to be Asp = DBX+20%. The difference is an evening's trading.

Sound: I love the Asp's characteristic growl!

So for me it's a easy choice. The Callipygian wins every time!

 

[CMDR Ashylnn D'Elyse]

i just hope the tactical or mercenary paintjobs come to the DBE and the DBS soon. my gilded viper the galleon has retired to founders to hunt pirate scum on off days. though i need to come up with a name for my DBE that is warjack related... maybe the duelist or the vigilant (even though thats technically a menoth jack...)

 

[n13L5]

I don't think any of the new ships touch the Hauler as a cheap taxi to reach your spare ships.

Making it slower than the Python really defeated the purpose of having a COMBAT explorer.

Probably the best thing about the Diamondback is that it has the same 32t fuel tank as the Asp but gets hugely more endurance out of it... and even more with the addition of extra fuel tanks. Yes, you can do the same thing to the Asp... but because the Asp starts out heavier, you'll drop its range with full tanks faster; it gets less range per weight... and you'll need more and more expensive scoops to fill it up, whereas the biggest fuel load you can put on a DBK still fills up fast enough with an A4. So when I buy a Diamondback E, it'll be my exploration ship.

- I do use the hauler for a lot more than just as a taxi, and some of the things it could definitely be a lil better at, hence I was checking out the new wares ;-)

- I think FD doesn't really want a combat explorer. Why else would they give a crummy FSD range to every single combat ship...? I can't understand why combat ships have to already have crappy range BEFORE any installation of heavy armaments.

- The strange thing is, that the ASP is lighter than the Diamondback with my exploration fittings: 337 for ASP vs 345 for DB-X.


As for exploration, I'll probably - and illogically - do my next exploration trip in a Clipper for the nice view.



But I do see exactly ONE possible use for me for the DB-X - as transport to- and flying parts repository for my Vulture. The only thing I don't love about the Vulture is that I can't manage to fit A rated sensors to it...

 

[B33 ENN]

Well, I got the DB-Scout and hve been loving it over the last couple of nights turning over the local RES. However, I've been in two minds about forking out the 2 mil for the DB-Explorer version.

Since I mothballed my Viper and Cobra for a while, I had intended to get the Explorer as well. But, I decided to re-buy myself an Asp, since I sold my previous one in haste a few weeks ago.

I used my old Asp for trading mostly, although I did some exploring in it, and also tried it as a combat gunship for a while. It's only being without one I realised just what a good versatile ship it really is, so I'm glad I got one again.

As for the DB-Explorer... I just don't know. I thought it might work for me when I go scavenging and salvaging for a change of pace, since it has good firepower and can hold a bit of cargo space.

I'll hold off buying one for a bit longer though until I'm sure.

I really hate how the D-Back-E is 18 tons heavier than the Asp, but almost all of its modules are smaller, and it has less than half the internal space.

Oh my God, seriously? I hadn't realised that! It's no where near as big, so how does it manage that?

...I went around in an ASP for a while and found it to be clumsy and lumbering, and felt such relief switching it for a DBE...

Each to his or her own, but I always was impressed by the maneouverability of the Asp for it's size. The only thing about it that bugged me was the noise it makes!

 

[n13L5]

Well, I got the DB-Scout and hve been loving it over the last couple of nights turning over the local RES. However, I've been in two minds about forking out the 2 mil for the DB-Explorer version.

Since I mothballed my Viper and Cobra for a while, I had intended to get the Explorer as well. But, I decided to re-buy myself an Asp, since I sold my previous one in haste a few weeks ago.

I used my old Asp for trading mostly, although I did some exploring in it, and also tried it as a combat gunship for a while. It's only being without one I realised just what a good versatile ship it really is, so I'm glad I got one again.

As for the DB-Explorer... I just don't know. I thought it might work for me when I go scavenging and salvaging for a change of pace, since it has good firepower and can hold a bit of cargo space.

I'll hold off buying one for a bit longer though until I'm sure.



Oh my God, seriously? I hadn't realised that! It's no where near as big, so how does it manage that?



Each to his or her own, but I always was impressed by the maneouverability of the Asp for it's size. The only thing about it that bugged me was the noise it makes!

I can't say that the Vulture sounds any better... like a cross between a tug boat diesel and a fish cutter that's ready to sink any moment, while the ASP was given the WWII bomber sound.

Makes you wonder about all the people that keep talking about realism, and how things should be 'realistic', with all the obvious sounds of poorly maintained combustion engines garnished with atmospheric prop sounds of old airplanes.


Either way, I'm going to stick to using Cobras when the Zorgon hauler isn't quite enough but an ASP would be too much. At 2 million, you can have a few sitting in various places. Cobra is better set up for my purposes than the DB scout, while the DB explorer is too close to the ASP in price once fitted. I bought a DB scout just to see if I like the cockpit, but no way!

Its Lakon's typical 'roughly does it' with window struts that look like they couldn't possible hold glass. More like you're sitting out in the vacuum in a weird wrought iron cage.

A lot of FD's stuff is well modeled but the window frames are mostly fail...

So I paid 50k just to see that

 

[Rubbernuke]

The Asp sounds more like the hoverships from the Matrix.

 

[n13L5]

The DBX seems a worthy addition to the ships available, but I doubt it will be in my hangar. Why not?

I use Asps for two things - exploring and rares trading - with two separate loadouts.

Exploring: I can get half-a-light-year further out of the Asp than a DBX (around 33 lightyears). That's a marginal difference. However, I can fit a bigger and still affordable scoop in the Asp, so scoop time is much faster - useful for CGs.

Rares trading: Much more cargo space (120 tons) in the Asp, faster boost and better armor. But no large hardpoint - which doesn't matter to me as when trading I'm interested in getting quickly from A to B.

Price difference between comparable loadouts tends to be Asp = DBX+20%. The difference is an evening's trading.

Sound: I love the Asp's characteristic growl!

So for me it's a easy choice. The Callipygian wins every time!

http://i.imgur.com/fVdzxZq.jpg

Good red! is that from the new Tactical paint jobs?

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The Asp sounds more like the hoverships from the Matrix.

Maybe they used the same bomber sound for the Matrix, cause Braben specifically said what bomber the ASP sound was taken from. I forget the model / name, but it was one of those nasty WWII things that leveled mostly civilian areas in cities, rather than military targets.

 

[Suicune]

Some thoughts;

A perfect combat fit for the DBExplorer runs you around 27 million. Which is crazy- That's the same price as a full combat fitting for the Vulture, a ship that costs more than double the DBExplorer.

Even with a 4A power plant, the DBExplorer handles power management like a champ. It's still got 27.65LY jump range even after a complete combat fit too.

 

[CMDR DoubleSkulls]

When it comes to exploration, the ASP has a minimal larger jump range, but the major argument is, that it has a much larger fuel scoop compared to the FSD class - thus it actually goes way faster. However, that comes with a roughly 30 Million premium compared to the DBE.

Sure with an Asp you can go up to 6A, but a 6C is 627 kg/s and just under 1.8m, a 4A is 342 kg/s and just over 2.8m. So the Asps size 6 internal compartment means it can be a quicker and cheaper scooper. If money isn't a problem being able to put the 6A in (878 kg/s, 28.7m) means its scooping fast enough you should never need to slow down to scoop. I haven't tried the DB-E, but I can see that being an issue for some types of travellers.

 

[drhay53]

I always thought the asp sounded like a crappy old Honda Civic.

 

[puca]

For this reason, I'd like to have a scanner modules that combines both ADS and DSS into one module to fully utilize the class 2 slot.

Oh come off it, you are one of the min/max explorers obviously and more power to you in investing in that type of game play. But as usual you fail to remember, or perhaps it is selectively failing to do so, that other players are not as concerned with credits/hour over all when exploring. Trying to make it out that all explorers are as concerned with this aspect as you are would be incorrect to do so.

He's suggesting ship improvements in a way slightly different from mine! GET HIM, HE'S A MIN-MAXING WITCH!