Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[Mercy Killing]

Mercy, I seem to be missing the option to PM you.
Would you drop me a PM I can reply to please?

I have PM's disabled, because any conversation I have on any forum is public. I won't talk behind anyone's back about anything. If it needs to be said, it can be said where everyone can "hear" or see it.

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i would counter that with the elder scrolls online. an MMO.

i would also suggest that the reason you arent deconstructing the term 'massive'
is because in the context of an MMO, the word 'massively' renders your post pointless.

...you had to go there. Okay.

I play ESO fairly regularly. I have never during my entire time there(played since early access, mind you) been required to team with anyone to complete content that I cared to do. Matter of fact, the main story line is ENFORCED SOLO. Fighter's guild quests? Yup. SOLO. Mage's guild quest? SOLO AGAIN. There are several quest lines that split parties up due to enforced solo content, and phasing(basically, if one of the party clicks the objective, he "phases" out from the rest of the party until the rest of them click the objective.) also splits parties up.

That whole game is an MMO. Persistent world. Hundreds of players online in that world simultaneously, therefore massive. Online by default. Yet, playing together with other people is totally optional at all times.

 

[DarkWalker]

I also missed the part about guild support being promised, maybe I need new glasses (or more sleep) .

To be fair, the devs did talk about some kind of guild support in the DDR docs. But, if memory serves me, the devs also stated that the kind of territory control possible in EVE wouldn't happen in ED; as far as I can tell, the devs wanted to allow players to play together and coordinate if they so desire, but at the same time didn't want any player to feel like they had to join a guild or else.

 

[Fire70]

WOW the merry go round is still well going around....

In other words, who has more solo players willing to put in more hours grinding, wins. No strategy. No tactics. No skill.

That's also known as "what-the-hell-were-they-thinking" school of terrible game design.

Now PP has arrived it doesn't matter what mode you are in it seems flawed.

Frontier have already done something different - they pitched, had funded, developed and released a game that allows all players to share the same galactic background simulation and a choice of three game modes - we can play alone; in a private group with friends or in open play with others. This has not changed since the beginning.

Yep merry go round still going strong. Though Mods were suppose to close those types of threads?


Anyway thought My friends here would like to know that I was killed in open by a CMDR. He didn't say anything and shot at me. I managed to get away the first time but he got me again and I ran out of shield cells..

He even abused me telling me I was crap for a Dangerous player (I though you could upgrade against NPC but I must be wrong)...
Cost me 5 mill credits for the re-buy + another 2 mill in bounties. I was pretty off after it but am ok now.

 

[Roybe]

He even abused me telling me I was crap for a Dangerous player (I though you could upgrade against NPC but I must be wrong)...
Cost me 5 mill credits for the re-buy + another 2 mill in bounties. I was pretty off after it but am ok now.

Well he was quite naughty. At least you continued to play the way you want to! I'll give you a little heads up, carrying a KWS on you now is awesome..so many more bounties. Oh, and if you hadn't realized it yet..anyone pledged to a Power..now has their choice listed for all to see when you scan them. Just one line, 'You're playing for the wrong Power!', and everyone is now free to kill! The game has gotten so much more dangerous...I can't wonder how many have already fled to the safety of Private! It's almost as if Fdev planned...nah, couldn't be.

 

[Faded Glory]

Anyway thought My friends here would like to know that I was killed in open by a CMDR. He didn't say anything and shot at me. I managed to get away the first time but he got me again and I ran out of shield cells..

He even abused me telling me I was crap for a Dangerous player (I though you could upgrade against NPC but I must be wrong)...
Cost me 5 mill credits for the re-buy + another 2 mill in bounties. I was pretty off after it but am ok now.

CMDR Fire70 Officially on the KOS list of the Mobius PVE group.


Do you think they were from the Mobius group, out on day release or something?

Just kidding, and good for you for entering into the spirit of it all, seriously. But perhaps your assailant is one of the reasons that people don't really want to spend all their time in Open. Or indeed any of it. I personally think the abuse (anonymous, so not what I'd call particularly brave) is the worst of it. Can't really imagine wanting to spend my time in that way.

And welcome back to the merry - go - round.



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Well he was quite naughty. At least you continued to play the way you want to! I'll give you a little heads up, carrying a KWS on you now is awesome..so many more bounties. Oh, and if you hadn't realized it yet..anyone pledged to a Power..now has their choice listed for all to see when you scan them. Just one line, 'You're playing for the wrong Power!', and everyone is now free to kill! The game has gotten so much more dangerous...I can't wonder how many have already fled to the safety of Private! It's almost as if Fdev planned...nah, couldn't be.

So, you're saying a locked in dangerous Open mode would be crowded or empty?

 

[Fire70]

Well he was quite naughty. At least you continued to play the way you want to! I'll give you a little heads up, carrying a KWS on you now is awesome..so many more bounties. Oh, and if you hadn't realized it yet..anyone pledged to a Power..now has their choice listed for all to see when you scan them. Just one line, 'You're playing for the wrong Power!', and everyone is now free to kill! The game has gotten so much more dangerous...I can't wonder how many have already fled to the safety of Private! It's almost as if Fdev planned...nah, couldn't be.

Oh well, I should really have got away to another system but silly me didn't.. I haven't joined yet not sure if/when I will..

CMDR Fire70 Officially on the KOS list of the Mobius PVE group.


Do you think they were from the Mobius group, out on day release or something?

Just kidding, and good for you for entering into the spirit of it all, seriously. But perhaps your assailant is one of the reasons that people don't really want to spend all their time in Open. Or indeed any of it. I personally think the abuse (anonymous, so not what I'd call particularly brave) is the worst of it. Can't really imagine wanting to spend my time in that way.

And welcome back to the merry - go - round.


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So, you're saying a locked in dangerous Open mode would be crowded or empty?

I didn't think of that, maybe it was Jockey, I could see him doing that to me.. Maybe he will drop some cargo off as compensation??

I was pretty jacked off after it, not so much at the credits but for the fact he chased me and abused me for not being good at PVP even though he would have know I had no interest in fighting him (I got away once)..

But the next day I was ok again, haven't had any trouble since \o/..

I have always been happy for players to play where they wanted but wasn't so sure if I was happy to compete with other modes. Still not sure as I haven't gotten into PP as yet.. Watch this space..

P.S. Open can be dangerous (I was in Lave or Leesie) but there are plenty of good places too..

P.P.S Really FD your bad word filter is pretty crap...

 

[Robert Maynard]

Though Mods were suppose to close those types of threads?

Not when this thread, and its immediate ancestor, have been designated as the merge target for all new threads relating to Solo vs Open vs Groups. You might be surprised how many new threads pop up on the topic....

 

[fademist]

I have always been happy for players to play where they wanted but wasn't so sure if I was happy to compete with other modes. Still not sure as I haven't gotten into PP as yet.. Watch this space..

And u dont need to compete with anyone if u dont want to ..u just do what u like without looking the "scores"

 

[Meritz]

Not when this thread, and its immediate ancestor, have been designated as the merge target for all new threads relating to Solo vs Open vs Groups. You might be surprised how many new threads pop up on the topic....

I hope that number is turning some heads over at FD. Though judging by the "let's just chuck it all over there on the pile" philosophy, I don't think it would have any effect.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I hope that number is turning some heads over at FD. Though judging by the "let's just chuck it all over there on the pile" philosophy, I don't think it would have any effect.

We don't know - Frontier have not passed comment relating to the three modes or mode switching recently.

We do know that future platforms will share the same GBS though - that was confirmed with the Xbox One announcement.

.... and with players, that we will probably not be able to crossplay with, on other platforms all affecting the same GBS shared by all platforms, it makes requests to separate the modes seem rather futile.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I hope that number is turning some heads over at FD. Though judging by the "let's just chuck it all over there on the pile" philosophy, I don't think it would have any effect.

imo if you think the complains are loud now, it would be a complete muck storm if FD did an about face and screwed over the mode switchers and solo players.

 

[Jockey79]

I didn't think of that, maybe it was Jockey, I could see him doing that to me.. Maybe he will drop some cargo off as compensation??

I have not been in Open since my test, where I kept posting what I was up to on here.
And when I was in Open, I didn't go looking for a fight (or any person), I just played as I normally play.
I've started to play more exclusively in the Mobius Group now as my real life friends group has become sparse - they all went back into World of Warcraft with a side of Hearthstone :S
And to be quite blunt if I ever do try Open again, most of the Open advocates on here I would just simple ignore if I seen them. I think there is like, maybe 2 or 3 at a push I'd give my game time up to be sociable with.

Also, to point out the obvious (as this has been said on here before). It's not the destruction of a ship that prevents some of us playing in Open. It's the attitude of entitlement and arrogance shown by some* players that put people off from playing in Open mode. I paid for my game, no one else - so I'll play what mode I like, when I like. Having people throwing tantrums and squealing for me to be there target dummy just annoys me and makes me despise them and the mode they want me in.

If you go back through the old mega and this one, there are quite a few who were going to play Open mode or did play Open mode, but Open mode advocates that behave like spoilt brats put people off. That is in part why Mobius has grown the way it has. There is very little of that there. I've read 1 account in 6 months of someone being an arrogant [insert swear word here] over the chat and only 6 people have been kicked since the group started.

[* I clearly typed "some" as not all Open advocates have behaved in the way mentioned. This is not an accusation aimed at anyone.]
[@Mercy Just wanted to drop you some info that is not for open discussion (not actually relevant to the topic of the thread either), it's not important so no worries]

 

[Jockey79]

I hope that number is turning some heads over at FD. Though judging by the "let's just chuck it all over there on the pile" philosophy, I don't think it would have any effect.

Well, as Robert has pointed out - this topic has been going for over two (2) years. Nothing has been changed from the original plan (as shown in my wall of information).
There were jokes in the last mega that the mega is where the topic comes to die - the Mods neither confirmed this, or denied it. But the lack of either kind of infers it is right.

FD do pop in from time to time, to see the same old tired arguments, countered with the same old tired counters - so, nothing for them to fuss over and they happily carry on about their work.

I've noticed though, at the rate things are going - the lack of Anaconda paints may need its own mega soon

 

[fademist]

prepare ur selfs ...we have new candidate for our hells pit thread

 

[WlLL0W]

I play ESO fairly regularly. I have never during my entire time there(played since early access, mind you) been required to team with anyone to complete content that I cared to do. Matter of fact, the main story line is ENFORCED SOLO. Fighter's guild quests? Yup. SOLO. Mage's guild quest? SOLO AGAIN. There are several quest lines that split parties up due to enforced solo content, and phasing(basically, if one of the party clicks the objective, he "phases" out from the rest of the party until the rest of them click the objective.) also splits parties up.

That whole game is an MMO. Persistent world. Hundreds of players online in that world simultaneously, therefore massive. Online by default. Yet, playing together with other people is totally optional at all times.

i'm not for one moment suggesting that people should be forced to play with others.
i know plenty of people that play ED on the same terms as the previous games.

i spose the difference is that all players in ESO are there if you 'desire' to play with them.

with ED players are either solo, in private groups, or in open where they have no choice whether or not to interact.

so if one compares ED with ESO in the strict MMO respect,
its fairly easy to see that ED can only claim MMO status on a technical basis, but not really in a 'practical reality' sense.

at this point i would be content if those who play solo in in private groups,
could acknowledge that there are flaws in the open mode MMO aspact of the game
which is a genuine issue requiring a solution, and not just something raised by
whining pew pew merchants who want to ruin the experience for others by forcing
unwilling players to become content for those who get their jollies by blowing up easy targets for lulz.

cause from a selfish point of view, i'm not like that, though i do see how open mode is structrally flawed in one or two respects.

cheers

 

[DarkWalker]

imo if you think the complains are loud now, it would be a complete muck storm if FD did an about face and screwed over the mode switchers and solo players.

I quite believe so.

First Open vs Solo Threadnought took from January 11 until May 15 to generate 10K posts.

First Offline Mode Threadnought took from November 14 until November 20 to generate 10K posts.

I get the impression that removing or restricting solo mode would generate even more noise than the offline issue, which was already way more than the solo vs open issue generates.

 

[DarkWalker]

at this point i would be content if those who play solo in in private groups,
could acknowledge that there are flaws in the open mode MMO aspact of the game
which is a genuine issue requiring a solution, and not just something raised by
whining pew pew merchants who want to ruin the experience for others by forcing
unwilling players to become content for those who get their jollies by blowing up easy targets for lulz.

cause from a selfish point of view, i'm not like that, though i do see how open mode is structrally flawed in one or two respects.

Not quite flaws. When a company promises from the start that players would be able to choose who they play with, block anyone they don't want to see, and actually advertises their game as supporting single player on Steam, I would say that allowing players to never be bothered by others — including the ability to do whatever they damn please in the game, influence the background simulation in any way, without others being able to do anything about it — is an intentional feature.

Besides, PvP versus PvE. I'm never going to accept forced PvP. Tried that, absolutely hated it, and vowed to never again engage in such a folly for as long as I live. And while I'm a bit extreme in that, there are nevertheless many other players that won't accept anything that could force them into engaging in PvP.

So, while Open might have issues, I don't see the fact it can be simply bypassed by those choosing Solo or Group as an issue. Rather, it's an intentional feature, whose existence was essential in getting many players to purchase ED in the first place.

 

[PeachingTony]

which would be fine if it was a balanced feature, but it isn't

 

[VigilVindex]

All this debating aside it should be self evident to anyone with a brain that when you create a competitive game activity and leave it open to exploitation to players gaining unfair advantage that the whole competition is then left defunct. Imagine in football if the guy with the ball could drop into solo mode and just skip all the tackles and defence. That would never be a fair competition. And rightly so. The problem with ED is that it wants to be a fair competition, but is ham-stringed by catering to people who want their advantage in the competition and for it be considered fair, which it isn't. I don't see anyway to escape this while the solo/open system remains as is.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Where does it state that Elite is a competitive game? I play purely for my own entertainment, not anyone else's, and I certainly am not in competition with anyone. Are you going to be the first person to win Elite?