Elite Dangerous..........

m3ntal

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I and I Redeye said:
This is an mmo or is marketed as one.
Since when has an mmo been about player isolation?
If, in open, you see alot of players then you think the game is alive and doing well.
When you don't, you think the game is not doing so well.

In habitited space there is plenty of npc's but no real players. So it's not meant to be a feeling of isolation, followed by novelty of stumbling across a player. That's for when you go out there.
If open had the same player base as solo or mobius or private group then it would be awesome galaxy and it wouldn't prevent anyone else from playing their way, alone or in group.
I fly past players all the time but they are not there, instancing, mobius, solo, all those reasons. That why I can't accept your reasoning.
Look at the confusion surrounding the background sim. PvE players are grinding their heart out to get influence but can't see the other players opposing them and can't understand why it's not going their way.
It's hurting your own PvE players, who are not here to play single player.
So Power play gives some clarity. Now it's hurting the open play in other ways.
Open is dead.
Hardcore open players will move on, maybe 6 mths to a year. That is the 'breath of fresh air' you guys talk about.

I now have to adjust. I have to approach this game as a single player and just understand it is not really an mmo but a retro game beefed up with modern computing power.
The mmo is a massive fail. Roleplay too. How long can I survive roleplay with npc's and fixed objects?

I'm an '84 but I'm no die hard fanboy and I don't think ED should stay in 84 either. It's had 30 years to evolve. When will it evolve?
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hello buddy, thank you for replying :)

im also a 84 guy, thank you for your feedback, I do think though it's evolved in some aspects though don't you ? Hopefully FD will impress us fans of the 84 version and the new peops to the game and continue to improve this game without the need to release another version a few years down the line, would be awesome if they do. This game isn't a disaster by any means, but it is simply a stepping stone, the only way to make itself yet another stepping stone is to constantly evole. Stay true to what David said when he asked us for our pennies, keep up with future genre developments so as to keep both its new players and those which are already deeply involved. Eve did this, despite a few hiccups here and there, people stayed true because firstly there isn't anything like it in its genre and secondly it constantly evolved and stayed true to its word. I wonder if this version of Elite will be a strong competitor or even have a player base at all 10+ years down the line.
 

Tarman

Tarman
m3ntal said:
hello :)

im so pleased your you too :)

its fantastic that you feel that way about the game, truly. I hope things get so much better for people who that kind of passion. I simply feel a little let down, but some games are like that aren't they, still believe that this game is a good stepping stone in the right direction for games to come.

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is there something you didn't understand in the thread buddy, too complicated to grasp, Im more than willing to explain things for you in a little more detail Padawan :)
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Padawan; is that supposed to be insulting? :D I watched Star Wars in the drive-in, little child. And I do understand your post. It's a cry for attention, seasoned with your opinion. Hence the vague comments about gaming and what Elite NEEDS, the coloured letters in a big font, the notes of "omg Solomode" just in case that doesn't have a five billion page thread devoted to it already. Lots of noise in your post but precious little signal.

A for Attention, but E for Effort, kiddo. And at least try to capitalize and punctuate your sentences properly when you're attempting to be rude; it makes you look unprofessional to have such texting-from-my-phone vibes around the work.
 

m3ntal

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I'm sorry if anyone gets annoyed even more so than most already have ;) love it really :) if I was to throw in a quick question ????

going to ask anyway, what are your views on Elite Dangerous being released on Mac ? Maybe even console versions ? Could mean you may see more people on your travels. However do you think it's right that they do this when they haven't actually got things right on the pc version. Do you think they could possibly work on all these other platforms whilst working on the PC version ? I think it could be a good thing if done correctly, would be amazing if pc, Mac and console players could all play on interconnected servers, that would be fantastic, similar to Postal 2 and Shadowrun did.
 

fademist

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m3ntal said:
Eve did this, despite a few hiccups here and there, people stayed true because firstly there isn't anything like it in its genre and secondly it constantly evolved and stayed true to its word. I wonder if this version of Elite will be a strong competitor or even have a player base at all 10+ years down the line.
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the only thing EVE done is to show how a dev team can be a null lords pets....
 
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fademist

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m3ntal said:
I'm sorry if anyone gets annoyed even more so than most already have ;) love it really :) if I was to throw in a quick question ????

going to ask anyway, what are your views on Elite Dangerous being released on Mac ? Maybe even console versions ? Could mean you may see more people on your travels. However do you think it's right that they do this when they haven't actually got things right on the pc version. Do you think they could possibly work on all these other platforms whilst working on the PC version ? I think it could be a good thing if done correctly, would be amazing if pc, Mac and console players could all play on interconnected servers, that would be fantastic, similar to Postal 2 and Shadowrun did.
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mac is already out...
us for consoles will be on same universe but in different instances...like solo/group/open modes is now ;)
 

Avago Earo

Banned
Avago Earo
Tarman said:
Padawan; is that supposed to be insulting? :D I watched Star Wars in the drive-in, little child. And I do understand your post. It's a cry for attention, seasoned with your opinion. Hence the vague comments about gaming and what Elite NEEDS, the coloured letters in a big font, the notes of "omg Solomode" just in case that doesn't have a five billion page thread devoted to it already. Lots of noise in your post but precious little signal.

A for Attention, but E for Effort, kiddo. And at least try to capitalize and punctuate your sentences properly when you're attempting to be rude; it makes you look unprofessional to have such texting-from-my-phone vibes around the work.
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Perhaps you should read through your own posts before criticising others' literary abilities.
 

m3ntal

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Tarman said:
Padawan; is that supposed to be insulting? :D I watched Star Wars in the drive-in, little child. And I do understand your post. It's a cry for attention, seasoned with your opinion. Hence the vague comments about gaming and what Elite NEEDS, the coloured letters in a big font, the notes of "omg Solomode" just in case that doesn't have a five billion page thread devoted to it already. Lots of noise in your post but precious little signal.

A for Attention, but E for Effort, kiddo. And at least try to capitalize and punctuate your sentences properly when you're attempting to be rude; it makes you look unprofessional to have such texting-from-my-phone vibes around the work.
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Thank you for replying buddy, no, not supposed to be insulting just funny. Do you really think my English is so bad, I was under the impression that I'm doing ok, English isn't my native language, I'm Russian. Only in England studying at university, my English is self taught which has progressed over the years, at school we were never taught English, unless of course you came from a wealthy family which could afford to do this.

I didnt mean mean the post to come over as a cry for attention, it's not what's intended, I don't think post people here would share your views, but we are allowed to think freely in the UK unlike back home in Russia.

You've upset me dearly now, I thought I was doing so well over here :( Now I feel illiterate.

haha just kidding, I don't feel illiterate or upset, my English is awesome for for a young guy who's native language is Russiannd self taught, bet you couldn't go to Russia or anywhere else for that matter and teach yourself a different language. I find people from the West very funny, some brilliant personalitie, your allowed freedom to say what you like, which is why I love to go on forums mixing things up so to speak and getting into some awesome debates.

Thank you you buddy for replying :)
 

CakeEngine

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first of all, sorry for hijacking your thread in the first place, m3ntal, but i couldn't resist due to obvious reasons.
Personally, i love it when the second fanfare kicks in right at "This isn’t the 1980s anymore folks. This is the age of the internet."
good times.
And a big "thank you" to all you guys for this insane amount of rep.

Now, in order to add atleast some words of value to my posts in this thread, you asked for some proper criticism.
While putting all the ranting and vilification of FD-Devs in your initial post aside, you may have two or three actual valid points in it worth for FD to throw their eyes on.
But you also seem to have quite some misconceptions of how this game is build and/or works.
for example:

Forcing everyone into open would be the best thing to happen to the game. It’d fill the galaxy with interesting people.
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It would not fill the galaxy with people, due to how this game is build. Regardless if they're interesting or not.
See, let's just assume FD would force everyone into open and that they will all be online at the same time.
Let us further assume that people will not simply quit this game for reasons already mentioned in this thread and that they will not spread in the galaxy.
In fact, they all will be within 100 LY around... let's say... LHS 3447.
Because of the peer-to-peer-nature of this game and thanks to instancing, you will never see thousands of CMDRs in one system. Not even one hundred.
And depending on where in the world you live and which provider you chose to handle your traffic, it could be likely for you to not even meet a dozen of other players.
(keyword: regional CIX-matching)
Now before you point your fingers at FD for depriving you of a potentially massive multiplayer experience, think of what you gain in PvP in terms of lesser lag and speed of, and culturally vested mind-share in communication.

This should also answer your question regarding your player-counter-idea.
m3ntal said:
Wouldnt it be nice if you actually knew how many real players are where you are at any given time, a counter wouldn't be too hard to implement.
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No matter at which "point of pick-off" you technically implement your counter, your perception will be unsatisfying.
Either it will state that there are hundreds of people near your very location, but you will actually see none, which will make you think the system lies to you, leading to various polite threads in this forums.
Or it will tell you that there are none to some people around you, which will make you think that open is dead and everyone is in solomode, leading to various polite threads of a kind we already enjoy in this forums every day.
;)
 

m3ntal

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m3ntal said:
Thank you for replying buddy, no, not supposed to be insulting just funny. Do you really think my English is so bad, I was under the impression that I'm doing ok, English isn't my native language, I'm Russian. Only in England studying at university, my English is self taught which has progressed over the years, at school we were never taught English, unless of course you came from a wealthy family which could afford to do this.

I didnt mean mean the post to come over as a cry for attention, it's not what's intended, I don't think post people here would share your views, but we are allowed to think freely in the UK unlike back home in Russia.

You've upset me dearly now, I thought I was doing so well over here :( Now I feel illiterate.

haha just kidding, I don't feel illiterate or upset, my English is awesome for for a young guy who's native language is Russiannd self taught, bet you couldn't go to Russia or anywhere else for that matter and teach yourself a different language. I find people from the West very funny, some brilliant personalitie, your allowed freedom to say what you like, which is why I love to go on forums mixing things up so to speak and getting into some awesome debates.

Thank you you buddy for replying :)
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anyway buddy, I'm sorry for upsetting you, forget all the rubbish the topic is Elite Dangerous as I titled it :)
 

Dbrn47

Dbrn47
Can't do it. Sorry. I started disagreeing with you pretty quickly and X:Rebirth is a good game now. So is this one, even if it does still need more content/depth, it's going in the right direction.

Plus I argued with a lot of people yesterday, I don't have the energy to counter all of your points today.
 
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Johnny Cyclops

Johnny Cyclops
The graphics are just ok,

Have you actually looked at how the background changes the further from a bright star you get? How the Milky Way emerges from the darkness? It's not just a static background. Have you flown towards something like the Coalsack and seen how it grows with each jump, a black pockmark on the ribbon of stars in such a way that if I wasn't living in the light polluted northern hemisphere I might be able to go outside, look up on a dark night and actually see that same feature, having been encouraged to do so my the mere graphics of a 'game'. Have you flown repeated trading missions back and forth and each time the HS target marker for the return system shifted over on your screen by another inch - that's real-time relative system planetary movement.

I don't think a person saying "the graphics are ok" has really looked at this game. I don't begin to comprehend even a quarter of what the people who've designed this galaxy have really pulled together. I still believe there's a deep educational value for schools and children in how this could be used to better understand the scale of the stellar and planetary bodies and how the galaxy is put together... and then realise how many tens of billions of galaxies are out there too. It's just staggering what FD have conceived and executed.

I don't play any other games. I haven't for many years. I never expected to be playing this one, but I do, out there in the open, enjoying every minute of trading, missions, combat and exploring.
 

Toumal

Toumal
Elite has many problems, but OP's hyperbole undermines any valid criticism he might have levied.

And CakeEngine's response is right on the money. Kudos for that.
 

Witzo

Witzo
m3ntal said:
ED is a good stepping stone of a genre.

I’ve pretty much given up

(see what I did there) compete with yes, Star Citizen.


Because humans are emergent gameplay. This isn’t the 1980s anymore folks. now we have humans

The worst was allow the game to have a solo mode. Forcing everyone into open It’d fill the galaxy with interesting people.


has no clue procedurally generated nothing.

disaster.

stepping stone game

need something close to aspects of EVE, the game is a wasteland of procedural generated
the game could easily be designed and made by any 1st or 2nd student finishing university

I'm sorry....but truly a bastion of innovation in game design.

'Remember Iron Man ?'.

disappointment for so many others, no idea what they are doing,
look at the situation realistically.
, Star Citizen is only a year or so away Star Citizen is far from complete,
enjoy for the time being, software graveyard.
I'm simply stating a fact that pc gamers want to have fun
I did on my student loan help Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous
(see what I did there) I say Star Citizen is going to be an amazing addition to this genre,
it's so immersive,
spherical objects with a texture , be realistic here guys.


more grinding , you are punished

BRAVO BRABEN!


The only good thing coming with this Powerplay patch (I refuse to call it expansion) is that even the most biased fans are realising that:
not near of what was promised.
features are forgotten.

fun seeing fanboys enraged, overpriced stepping stone

a fraud


pretty immersive, but merely a stepping stone
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Heh, he said immersive.
 

Tarman

Tarman
Avago Ero said:
Perhaps you should read through your own posts before criticising others' literary abilities.
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You can always do it for me; I'm a bit busy right now. Take careful notes. You don't want to miss anything. Remember, creative licence for effect doesn't count. Only actual errors in grammatical structure or unintentional spelling mistakes are going to count against me if you're here to confiscate my jackboots. There could even be a contest for it! I don't have a prize handy however, so the satisfaction of discovery will need to be its own reward.
 
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