Sorry Pal but I think you need to get a life. ITS A GAME!"!
Piracy is Broken by 1.3
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You wouldn't say that if they basically removed whatever you were doing for fun
Its always the same, wheres the devs with a vendetta
I'm up for the pirate murder protest. I say we give FD until Thursday the 18th (dev update day).
After that, kill everyone you can find without a bounty, and before they die copy-paste
"You have been murdered in protest of the universal 20 cargo canister limit"
After that, kill everyone you can find without a bounty, and before they die copy-paste
"You have been murdered in protest of the universal 20 cargo canister limit"
The 20t limit though arbitrary and short sighted was put in place because of people who thought it funny to grief others by dumping 100's of tons of worthless cargo to mess with people participating in community goals. I admit I do not agree with it but you do realize that by doing what you propose you are becoming not part of the solution but in essence a part of the problem and no different than those that caused the knee-jerk reaction. It is unfair to take out your frustrations on those players that have nothing to do with any decision that was made by FD and the only thing you will accomplish is an attempt to kill the game by way of 1000 paper cuts, you should ask yourself is that what you really want?
Please don't. This is a very serious issue. The 20 ton cargo limit has killed my career along with many other legitimate pirates. We want FD to fix this to a more reasonable amount of around 100 - 200 tons at a minimum, or put something sensible in like... next to station... 20 ton limit. Anywhere else... anything goes.
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Also, add me to the list of pirates who pledge to kill everything in sight. We should all agree on a day and time to begin the slaughter. We won't stop until the 20 ton limit is fixed!
Agree with your first comment and find your pledge to kill everyone on sight very childish and self defeating. Comments like that make me question the motives of anyone who would participate in such an endeavor. Yeah, let's make others completely miserable because I can't get my way immediately.....so mature. Just grow up......seriously......if you want to act like a greaver than at least own up to it instead of becoming one for the sake of out of game reasons that most people won't even recognize......how childish can people actually be.
The 20 container limit should apply only around station.
I hope FD does sometime about that soon.
I hope FD does sometime about that soon.
Not really. The problem is is that until this is fixed piracy is pointless, our entire profession has been broken by one arbitrary, unreported change.
If there was a "fix" that broke trading or bounty hunting completely and traders and bounty hunters were fobbed off with :
The majority of the player base would be calling for Braben's head.
We've put in numerous bug reports and there's multiple threads on the subject, Piracy has been broken since 1.3 beta and it's been over a week since release.
We'll give FD until next Friday and if there's no word or fix by then "operation scorched earth" will proceed.
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Fine, my point is that there are better ways of going about showing your dissatisfaction than by doing what you propose. You are targeting people that have no control over what FD does, that is self defeating as they will either switch to open and spread the word that the game is full of jerks or stop playing entirely and not recommend the game to others. Either way you are not helping the situation unless your goal is to grief or kill the game. One does not convince anyone of anything by what amounts to throwing a temper tantrum.
Scudmungus
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Killin sistren and bredren 'as protest' to save piracy?
o_o Wait, wut?
Yuh want to gi more an incentive fah people to Solo/group/Mobius while simultaneously annoyin every playstyle other than dem choosin to exclusively pirate?
That yuh master plan for getting support for piracy/pirates?
Gud plan!
o_o Wait, wut?
Yuh want to gi more an incentive fah people to Solo/group/Mobius while simultaneously annoyin every playstyle other than dem choosin to exclusively pirate?
That yuh master plan for getting support for piracy/pirates?
Gud plan!
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How else do you get Fd's attention?
Beta bug reports, multiple threads, 1.3 bug reports have all met with the "it's by design" line.
Any other suggestions?
Right now there's a fine line between random pking and piracy and with this change all the people who would happily play and barely break even are being sidelined.
If fd want to keep the change then they will see the negative consequences of their change and that will be players turning away from piracy completely and going on a rampage.
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As childish as it is, I actually think it would work - FD have consistently shown that when the level of whine gets noisy enough, they take action almost immediately. i'm not going to take part in this personally as I don't kill traders who don't comply anyway, really not interested in destroying someones ship unless its the bounty hunters.
I mean
Kill Priority
Missiles
Godship 1
SCB's
Repair Cost
Fuel Cost
Cap Ship Farming (I even had a bet on this one with someone at the start of that thread, told you they'd nerf it from the whine!)
Friendly Fire
Combat Ship Cost
BH Earnings
I'm sure theres quite a few more, but all of those have one thing in common - they had immense forum whine, and i'm not entirely convinced all of them were good ideas, they certainly seem very strange changes to make in comparison to the extremely obvious ones they repeatedly neglect.
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I don't see any other option. I've never killed randomly or without a reason before.
I've not played since beta hoping FD would change this. Since the official word is "it's intentional" then I don't see any other way to get fd's attention.
I've played for over 1000 hours and was always in the game for the long haul but I'm not going to stand by and let FD ruin my chosen profession with a badly thought out bug fix.
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I get your point, just not sure if your fun being diminished justifies ruining the fun of totally innocent people.
I'm not entirely convinced traders are innocent (in the realm of the forum) , they certainly never help the other professions as they basically flood into every thread saying "why do they have to be comparable" because their activity of choice happens to be top, they'd change their mind if it was trading on the bottom in a heartbeat whereas if trading was bottom i'd still be here trying to get it buffed just like I do with mining and smuggling atm.
Its also easy to feel like ruining somebodys day when someone else has ruined yours (pettiness 101)
For example I've never once heard a reason why mining should earn a small fraction of what every other prof earns, even piracy is considerably better than mining unless you mission scum to get rid of everything you pick up.
Its also easy to feel like ruining somebodys day when someone else has ruined yours (pettiness 101)
For example I've never once heard a reason why mining should earn a small fraction of what every other prof earns, even piracy is considerably better than mining unless you mission scum to get rid of everything you pick up.
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I get your point, just not sure if your fun being diminished justifies ruining the fun of totally innocent people.
It doesn't but there's no other way to send a message to FD. The alternative is to quit playing.
Our profession has being ruined through the knock on effect of a bug fix to stop people griefing at stations by dropping cargo. Why should our profession suffer because of the rare times people drop cargo in large quantities at a station?
They've thrown the baby out with the bath water here.
Unfortunately traders have the loudest voice in ED and it seems the only way to get fd to listen is to get the traders to kick off about sometime.
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You could in my opinion continue to raise awareness through posting and if all else fails stop supporting the game until such time as things improve. Many people would agree with you that the 20t limit is a complete over reaction to what was at the time an existing problem. The people that you should be po'd at are the ones that caused the change in the first place. The players that think that pk'ing, station dumping, station ramming, and all the annoying factors that plague the game are funny, for it is ultimately their fault that things changed so radically. You can also be upset with FD themselves and that is understandable, you should make them well aware of your disappointment in a civilized manner. You could explore other facets of the game until such time as piracy becomes more viable and if that isn't an option then just take a step back from the game and let FD know why you are no longer playing in no uncertain terms. If enough people complain they will listen sooner or later. They want the game to succeed, you could enlist the players that enjoy other roles in the game to support your stance and many would be willing to agree with you. If you decide to alienate them by your random kill spree then you can count on them to not give 2 plits about how you feel or why you are doing it. It only stands to reason.....why make enemies when you could enlist allies instead? Many traders and others would agree with you that the 20t limit is a bad move.
Scudmungus
Banned
I tink when you begin to 'trader' describe person or even accurately describe a group, yuh already lost!
I trade, I smuggle, I pirate - many mons do not insist on restrictin demselves to 1 source of income or play.
Dem that do? I feel fuh yuh - but thirst be a danger of choosin to drink from only one well.
I trade, I smuggle, I pirate - many mons do not insist on restrictin demselves to 1 source of income or play.
Dem that do? I feel fuh yuh - but thirst be a danger of choosin to drink from only one well.
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That's the thing we've already tried numerous threads since beta started and after. As for withholding support for the game, I've already bought premium beta, the expansion passes, ship skins and multiple hotas so I'm pretty much invested in the game's future and there's no way to withdraw my support for the game as FD already have my money.
I've personally played every profession in the game for hundreds of hours the only thing that interests me right now is piracy and it was the only reason why I was still playing.
The problem is that there's no logic to FD's decision and it's a really badly thought out byg fix. If there was some logic behind the change or transparency, remeber they didn't even include the "fix" in any of the changelogs, we'd have more faith in getting a reply or a change from FD on the matter.
The problem is that a lot of people don't care about piracy and here on the official forum there's actual hatred towards the professions so getting a large amount of people outside of the profession to campaign for a change to bring back piracy would be like getting blood out of a stone.
Whilst it is awful the only way to force fd's hand is to show the community what the game would be like without legitimate piracy and that would unfortunately be groups of players randomly pking.
1.3 was supposed to bring hope to piracy but instead it's killing it.
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I'm unemployed, at the end of my rope. Backed into a corner I have nowhere to go. I have a gun in my hand. What do I do with it? I'll shoot my way out, that's what! Muahahahhahahahhahahahahaha.
I don't care if it is childish or not. I play to have fun. Piracy is fun. FD has killed my fun. So now I have to find a new way to have fun. And killing other people... well that can be fun... too. So, I don't think I'm being childish at all. I'm just looking for a new way to have fun. It's emergent gameplay! Isn't that what Elite is all about?
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