TheLoneTrucker
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735 voters.. That's what, .05% of the player base? which means their opinion is 99.95% invalid. 
The Powerplay discussion thread.
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I wouldn't say that a limited poll on the forums necessarily gives an accurate representation on how the total player base feels about Power Play. As long as not all players are made aware of the existence of the poll you will only have a very limited part of the population for your poll and there is no guarantee that those who are aware of the poll and take the time to take part are representative for how the player population feels (either positive or negative).
I, for instance, only became aware of this poll because this thread popped up as the latest replied thread in the "Dangerous Discussions" section of the forum.
I've seen polls in forums for other games where a minority that was aware of a poll instigated the developer to make a change that was then universally reviled by the rest of the player population after it was put into the game (just before the weekend), almost leading to a player revolt and a quick reversal of this change after the weekend, even though the moderators spent the entire weekend trying to convince players that the change was beneficial, "here to stay" and voted for in a poll thus representing the will of the player base.
So unless the total player base is at least made aware of this poll and is given the opportunity to participate I would not rely on the outcome of this pole to draw any conclusions, positive or negative, on the current implementation of Power Play.
I, for instance, only became aware of this poll because this thread popped up as the latest replied thread in the "Dangerous Discussions" section of the forum.
I've seen polls in forums for other games where a minority that was aware of a poll instigated the developer to make a change that was then universally reviled by the rest of the player population after it was put into the game (just before the weekend), almost leading to a player revolt and a quick reversal of this change after the weekend, even though the moderators spent the entire weekend trying to convince players that the change was beneficial, "here to stay" and voted for in a poll thus representing the will of the player base.
So unless the total player base is at least made aware of this poll and is given the opportunity to participate I would not rely on the outcome of this pole to draw any conclusions, positive or negative, on the current implementation of Power Play.
735 voters.. That's what, .05% of the player base? which means their opinion is 99.95% invalid.
Not invalid, unknown.
If that's the case, every vote, poll, and survey taken in history would be invalid due to not everyone participating.
I looked at data with Anaglyph glasses and it looked pretty conclusive to me.
I've made no secret of the fact that I share these views. I didn't want it in the first place, and I don't like it's implementation. Fact is that it's never going to get "put back in it's box" now though, so best thing we can do is get it fixed. A political intrigue background could be a good thing for the game if it were done right... PP however is half formed and not well thought out. The most annoying part of this (as you've already pointed out) is that now they'll have to put MORE resources into hammering this heaving biomass into something worth having, which (in my opinion) there's other parts of the game that would benefit much more from it and will now have to wait even longer.
I think at this point FD really need to start thinking about giving us some sort of roadmap and timeframe for what's coming, coz they were already losing players due to shallow gameplay prior to 1.3, and "the great saviour" that powerplay was hoped to be has been quite disappointing which is only increasing the exodus. With nothing concrete to look forward to I fear that other games will overtake ED's momentum, and once lost that's hard to regain.
To me, this thread, sums up entirely the need for PP to be reworked.
It certainly demonstrated the mindless illogical grind of it to me... So prior to PP we already had the earth shattering mechanic of take X from Y to Z. Now, in PP, it's been dumbed down...
735 voters.. That's what, .05% of the player base? which means their opinion is 99.95% invalid.
Find me ANY poll that encompasses a significantly greater proportion of a population other than an official election... and in the US and other places where it's not mandatory it's still a low turn out, US Presidential electrions are typically anywhere from 50 to 80%. If polls below 100% were considered invalid then noone would ever do a poll. They're supposed to be representative of a population, not a precision measurement. There's no reason to think that non-PP players have higher representation on forums than PP players, or that they're more likely to answer forums, so the poll could be considered representative.
(Another possibility is of an estimated half million players, only 735 are still interested enough to bother responding to the poll. That however is historically a fairly normal number for polls on this forum, so I'm not overly concerned about that.)
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Poll options biased to a negative result in the first place. I will assume not deliberate.
Choice of colour reinforces apparent negative result. I will, again, assume not deliberate.
There is nothing to discuss regarding the results of this poll beyond that. It's not significant.
There are however plenty of points to discuss and suggest regarding the improvement of PP.
It's here to stay. Get used to it. I hated the idea of it, but forced myself to learn it. It's clunky and poorly explained, but once you stop treating it as something that plays you, and you instead play it your way, it can be very interesting. I still dislike some of the mechanics and implementation.
Play it or don't. Your choice. It is not mandatory.
Be constructive or don't.
What would you change about the current PP implementation without completely rewriting it? That is a worthwhile question.
Discuss that.
ATB
Choice of colour reinforces apparent negative result. I will, again, assume not deliberate.
There is nothing to discuss regarding the results of this poll beyond that. It's not significant.
There are however plenty of points to discuss and suggest regarding the improvement of PP.
It's here to stay. Get used to it. I hated the idea of it, but forced myself to learn it. It's clunky and poorly explained, but once you stop treating it as something that plays you, and you instead play it your way, it can be very interesting. I still dislike some of the mechanics and implementation.
Play it or don't. Your choice. It is not mandatory.
Be constructive or don't.
What would you change about the current PP implementation without completely rewriting it? That is a worthwhile question.
Discuss that.
ATB
I have quite bad red-green colourblindness and the shades are vastly different on thise graphs so I have no difficulty reading them, it seems almost that it's the none colourblind people who are struggling.
I think if you were to do another poll in a few weeks the number would be far worse having tried to play Powerplay myself.
Poll had two groups (played & not played). Each group had three options (like, not like, ambivalent). In what way is that biased?
The colours you refer to are in the results not the questions, therefore had no influence on the outcome. The question was "Do you like powerplay?" which gives a yes or no answer. Results of "no" or "I don't care" both score as "no". The choice of colours is appropriate as it illustrates the binary nature of the answer.
You don't think it's significant that more than 2/3 of players don't like a major feature of the game? I think that's a definite hint that it needs improving.
Did ANYONE mention getting rid of it? "Not liking it" was the ONLY thing mentioned, and the point was very clear that it was only about it's CURRENT implementation, not any future changes that occur. It's not going anywhere, but it IS broken.
Pointing out that the majority of players don't like it IS constructive. If FD thought that the majority of players liked it there'd be no reason for them to fix it, would there?
Well for a start, I'd completely re-write it. The concept's good, the mechanism isn't.
Lots of people didn't try it, and probably wont because they don't fancy it.
But they can be bothered to vote and say how they dont like it, (despite not trying it) on here.
*shrugs*
But they can be bothered to vote and say how they dont like it, (despite not trying it) on here.
*shrugs*
The poll itself is meaningless. I voted that I joined a power and liked pp, which is true. However, I dont care for the whole merit system and ranks, which is the core of it to othets. Other people said they dont like it, which could mean anything. Some dislike the entire idea, whereas others may love it yet feel the merits are earned too slowly. Or some like slow progression but want different ways to get merits, or more easily attainable modules, or no bonus for non-members. The poll means that some people dont like somethibg, and others probably dont like things either but didnt mention it. Appreciate the efforts of the OP, but there really is little to conclude.
kreuzbichler
Banned
what´s with the Pony?
Another month of testing and polishing and a lot of the past weeks could have been entirely avoided.
From what I can tell as a relatively new player, is that beta access is something mostly only early backers have access to and or sometimes sold.
That has to be one of the absolute worst decision a company like FD can do.
Beta access isn't something to be handed out as a privilege for your customers, trying beta versions is something your customers do for you because they have an emotional investment in the game, limiting access to it simply shooting yourself in the foot.
And when the majority of your testers say it isn't ready maybe listen to them ?
I love the way that people who disagree with the answer keep trying to claim it's "meaningless". Why, pray tell, is it meaningless?
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Beta access was purchased by people who were willing to pay a lot more for the game to support it way before it was released. And yes, we told them we didn't like it, they didn't listen. Funny enough, the same thing happened when they were in gamma and we told them it wasn't ready for release and they went ahead and released 1.0. History repeats.
I would say it is generally accepted that forums are biased towards negativity. Check the forums if the most acclaimed games and you'll still find scores of complaints. The sample size here seems adequate, but the sample is not randomly selected and the 1-item questionaire seems... limited.
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I just wanna let GluttonyFang(OP) know that I really appreciate the work he has done to raise a bit public awareness of this problem. It made my day when I first saw that I was not the only one aware and upset about this 20 limit. It gave a little hope.
There is a lot of great ideas for the FD to scan if they need some input from this thread.
I hope this subject will be raised soon by FD soon.
+1000 if I could
There is a lot of great ideas for the FD to scan if they need some input from this thread.
I hope this subject will be raised soon by FD soon.
+1000 if I could