I'm not convinced "you didn't research the game" Is a viable argument, the FD marketing department seem to have said anything and everything they can to make sure something ticked a players boxes lol, something I suspect has caused them a headache in the office, though of course sales are sales!
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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And still you are trying to tell me that i can enjoy a multiplayer game with barely anyone around?
Chances to meet other players would only marginally higher. Everyone who wants just a good singleplayer experience, and has no intention to meet other players, would try to spread out from the more densily populated areas.
It is not a "multiplayer game" in the sense that you may see it. It is a game like Diablo 3, with a singleplayer and multiplayer mode with a fluid transition between the two. It is therefore neither a singleplayer game with a multiplayer mode, nor a multiplayer game with a singleplayer mode. It is a game where both modes are equally viable and supported.
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Hmmm... that seems a bit strange, i'll take your word for it
How about I show you what was advertised and sold - then promoted and supported by the people making the game?
From the Kickstarter;
*And the best part - you can do all this online with your friends, or other "Elite" pilots like yourself, or even alone. The choice is yours...*
*you will be able to control who else you might encounter in your game – perhaps limit it to just your friends? Cooperate on adventures or chase your friends down to get that booty. The game will work in a seamless, lobby-less way, with the ability to rendezvous with friends
*Play it your way*
Your reputation is affected by your personal choices. Play the game your way: dangerous pirate, famous explorer or notorious assassin - the choice is yours to make. Take on missions and affect the world around you, alone or with your friends.*
*You simply play the game, and depending on your configuration (your choice) *
*We have the concept of “groups”. They can be private groups just of your friends or open groups (that form part of the game) based on the play styles people prefer, and the rules in each can be different. Players will begin in the group “All” but can change groups at will,*
Some Dev comments from the Kickstarter;
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https://www.kickstarter.com/project...erous/comments?cursor=1705398#comment-1705397
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From the forum archives;
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6300
All Players Group– Players in this group will be matched with each other as much as possible to ensure as many human players can meet and play together
Private Group – Players in this group will only be matched with other players in the same private group
Solo Group – Players in this group won’t be matched with anyone else ever (effectively a private group with no one else invited)
(All by a Lead Designer)
Also DB on Multiplayer and Grouping and Single (01:00 - 02:01) Plus how the Galaxy will evolve over time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5JY...kuz6s&index=18
"DB explicitly said that solo players would be able to do community goals, though back then they weren't called that. Dev Diary Video #2, at the 4:10 mark."
DB on "Griefing" and "Griefers"
(Listen out for the part where FD can move them in to a private group of just each other)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb5hqjxmf4M
Rededit Topic on "unusual event for players to come against players" (With Twitch Video)
http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangero...ayers_to_come/
Direct Twitch Link; (Note DB use "Occasonial" and "unusual" regarding players interacting)
http://www.twitch.tv/egx/b/571962295?t=69m00s
Also, MMO does not mean "social" (It means lots of people connected)
Wikipedia;
A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet. MMOs usually have at least one persistent world, however some games differ.
Oxford English Dictionary (Online);
An online video game which can be played by a very large number of people simultaneously .
Dev comments;
Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Originally Posted by Numi
Will at any time solo and private group play be separated into a different universe/database from open play? It's kind of cheap that you can be safe from many things in solo, like player blockades and so on, and still affect the same universe.
No.
Michael
Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Originally Posted by Robert Maynard
Thanks for that clarity Michael.
Are you in a position to confirm that group switching between the three game modes will remain as a feature of the game?
We're not planning on changing that.
Michael
Originally Posted by Michael Brookes
Originally Posted by mosh_er
Hi Micheal
I know you said that solo/group and open will always use the same universe, can you also say that there will be no specific perks in playing in one mode over another? i.e bigger profit from trading in open or bigger bounties?
None are planned at the moment.
Michael
David Braben AMA Thread said:Originally Posted by Alexander the Grape
In the newsletter, it was mentioned that an intersection between a trading power and a military power will result in piracy missions.
Will this make NPC piracy more profitable or will we continue to need to focus on players?
It can be more profitable, and it will apply to both players and NPCs.
David Braben AMA Thread said:Originally Posted by Adept
For fun
That said, it could be worth thinking about reducing the impact that solo & group players have on the political simulation.
Unlike community goals, Powerplay is a swinging balance - ie solo players are also balancing solo players.
E3 2015 Interview (17th June 2015);
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...-e3-xbox-exclusives-and-qa-with-david-braben/
The overall thread topic (+ How XB1 fits);
And regarding the game design;
To highlight something from that above quote;
“You should do what makes you excited. I don’t want there to be a ‘right’ way, because then you’re not necessarily playing the way you want to play."
So, can people NOW! accept that the game is not broken, it is not a bad design, FD did not mess up.
THIS IS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
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Robert Maynard
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At a stroke, about two thirds of the player-base (according to the poll referenced) would suddenly have no influence on the single shared galaxy state - to satisfy one third? That would seem, to me at least, to be a rather selfish approach.
As to how many players mode switch, see for yourself (it's a relatively small number of results and is self selected as to who has voted, but it's the best we have). By my reading of the results, we have 32% in Open only, 21% in Solo only, 7% in Private Groups only and 40% who switch modes - that would make mode switchers the largest proportion of those polled.
Do you believe everything you read from marketing and adverts at face value?
Robert Maynard
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With respect, at least we know that those who polled here are registered users of these forums and therefore quite likely to actually own the game....
.... and these links both refer to the same poll.
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Of course you can. Play in Open, you will see other people who have also chosen to play in Open. How many of them you see is a function of where and when you are.
Not even one third. There are plenty players in open *waves* who want players to keep the choice to play however they like.
Jeez... still this doesn't proof that i wouldn't meet them if they would be in open.
Also, since the participants are also participants in the forum, which in and of itself is a form of "multi-people" interaction, the poll is most likely biased in favour of open and group mode, and against solo mode. Do not underestimate the number of people who play alone only, all the time, and don't visit the forums etc. either. (This is even true for MMOs where there is no "solo" mode, a vast proportion of the player base plays alone and does not participate in group activities or PvP.)
They don't WANT to be in Open, so they're NOT. Seriously.
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Yes!
I sold my car and grew wings.
I now fly everywhere!!!
Thanks Red Bull - YOU GAVE ME ACTUAL WINGS !!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Maynard, I am suspicious of you and polls. The way Guild discussions are tied to the ancient guild poll is quite possibly a gross misrepresentation of community interest in the topic. I feel like this is a breach of trust, in a way, and it concerns polling practices. I hope you understand.
Yes!
I sold my car and grew wings.
I now fly everywhere!!!
Thanks Red Bull - YOU GAVE ME ACTUAL WINGS !!!!!!!!!!
My cunning plan to become a Space Dragon is one step closer to completion! Mwahahaha!
It really is just THAT simple. A single mode would increase my chance to meet someone. Especially when the poll displays that i am loosing 68% of the playerbase.
Robert Maynard
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Mr. Maynard, I am suspicious of you and polls. The way Guild discussions are tied to the ancient guild poll is quite possibly a gross misrepresentation of community interest in the topic. I feel like this is a breach of trust, in a way, and it concerns polling practices. I hope you understand.
The Guilds in Elite Dangerous poll (which ran for four days in January 2013) is very old - I haven't pointed anyone at it in quite a while. There are more recent polls on that topic, somewhere.
Please explain how that poll is relevant to this discussion....
The main vectors of attack have been faction influence on a system, Community Goals and now Power Play. Some people take/took flipping systems very seriously before Power Play. I suspect it may have had some influence on the development of Power Play.
Not if the rules and thresholds would be adjusted.
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