Turmoil - Power play - Discussion
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Answer is easy:
1) You showed your spouse this picture.
2) By not showing it.
3) Nothing. Now it is to late and you can only hope to stay alive until the surge ebbs away... (some flowers might help though)
How did it happen?
We ran head first into a wall placed by the devs in order to prevent one faction becoming all powerful
Could it have been avoided?
Not really. We could have walked into the wall though.
What can we do about it?
Hope they adjust the wall somehow.
We ran head first into a wall placed by the devs in order to prevent one faction becoming all powerful
Could it have been avoided?
Not really. We could have walked into the wall though.
What can we do about it?
Hope they adjust the wall somehow.
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Which powers are in turmoil? I'm not able to log in for a while and probably others coming to this thread too.
Thanks, Ben.
I suggest all Power Point Players to defect at least once a week, to the zaniest faction they can think of. That will drive Frontier crackers.
Turmoil is "imperial over-reach" by another name. Here in the US, the general population has only begun to understand what *that* is (takes 1968+40 years, or so).
Since CC overheads follow ~n^3 while income is ~n, n being exploited systems,
all powers will hit limits to their expansion at some point. My guestimate is that
past 60-65 controled systems, powers will face hard times. (if the overhead function
has no dependancy over other variables than n)
Ah okay, then to answer you OP:
How did it happen? All large powers will eventually reach this stage.
How could it have been avoided? Preventing expansion somehow, which is currently impossible since Powerplay wants you to expand forever.
What can you do about it? Not my power so nothing, her power members can fortify every control system they have though.
Unless other powers decide to undermine the control systems, in which case there's nothing they can do.
The whole powerplay system is very badly thought out; I don't believe that they ever played it out properly past the first couple of cycles.
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The question is: Is turmoil (and even the related loss of systems) actually so bad?
Biologists know that infinite growth is not possible. (Economists seem fail in this regard). So...
- The power grows.
- More and more effort is necessary to compensate the overhead by fortifying controlled systems.
- The power comes to the limit where the overhead isn't covered by the income of new systems any more and there are not enough members to compensate this by fortification (and expanding at the same time).
- The powers falls into turmoil and lose systems.
- The Power shrinks to a more healthy size, managable by their members. This frees energy for expansion again.
- The Power grows.
All this seems natural and not really frightening. Of course, if you expect to lead your power into universal domination, this might pop your dreams.
But if you see powerplay as constant raise and fall, where the (temporary) decay of one power creates room for other powers in their growth-phase, everything is fine.
But then, there is the constant threat of "perma-death" of the last three powers in the power hierarchy. Here, things get really interesting...
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In the contrary! It is thought out very well!
Biologists know that infinite growth is not possible. (Economists seem fail in this regard). So...
- The power grows.
- More and more effort is necessary to compensate the overhead by fortifying controlled systems.
- The power comes to the limit where the overhead isn't covered by the income of new systems any more and there are not enough members to compensate this by fortification (and expanding at the same time).
- The powers falls into turmoil and lose systems.
- The Power shrinks to a more healthy size, managable by their members. This frees energy for expansion again.
- The Power grows.
All this seems natural and not really frightening. Of course, if you expect to lead your power into universal domination, this might pop your dreams.
But if you see powerplay as constant raise and fall, where the (temporary) decay of one power creates room for other powers in their growth-phase, everything is fine.
But then, there is the constant threat of "perma-death" of the last three powers in the power hierarchy. Here, things get really interesting...
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In the contrary! It is thought out very well!
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Oh dear. This isn't a biological system, it's a game. And the bit where everyone becomes aware that the cycle is inevitable and nothing other than a slightly ill-conceived hamster wheel is the point at which they decide not to play.
Really?!
*insert maniacal laughter*
The number one is crumbling?
What a sweet cycle.
Tsk tsk, It does appear domination of the colonized worlds (let alone the galaxy), wont be a walkover...
In this game maybe years of effort? Sounds like the way it should be.
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They should make more missions for fortification, not everybody wants to bring goods from A to B. Like why not make bounty hunting a fortification method? Helping the system security. Or mining in extraction systems?
Please explain how to organise players pledged to a power within the game, as I must have missed that bit.
Actually, patrolling the system and taking out undermining opposition is a great idea. If you give it the same amount of merits that you get for undermining in an opposition system you begin to encourage active PvP. Or alernatively, collecting and handing in opposition cargo can result in merits per tonne or points for fortifying per tonne.