Frame shift drive was not coined by Frontier. Who was it?

[Kormander]

First post here. I really enjoy exploring in ED and listening to sci fi audiobooks. I have recently been listening to an author named Alastair Reynolds. His works pair well with ED. So much so that in the last book I listened to, "Pushing Ice," the Frameshift drive is a plot device. That book was written in 2005. Does anyone know of any sci fi books or video games that introduce the FSD before that?


tl;dr; any references to FSD before 2005?

 

[Sysmon]

There's a Robert Sawyer book called Frameshift (but it's about the human genome), and it is a remote sensing term as well. It might just be something that sounds cool enough to make it a spiffy new drive name.

I like the idea myself, and wonder what the reasoning is behind it. To me it appears to be a warp drive that works best where space is 'thin' when celestial bodies are spaced far apart. Near gravity wells where space thickens, it is resistant to warping and we slow down. An inverse slingshot effect.

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[Schmack]

It was cooler than the Bussard Ramjet I think.

 

[Cargobane]

Because Buckaroo Banzai was already taken.

 

[curses]

Frame-shifting is a term that has been used in physics when talking about special relativity for decades. It's easy to see where it came from.

 

[Jenner]

I know I read "Pushing Ice" but I really don't recall the Frameshift Drive in it. Lol. Guess it didn't leave a huge impression on me.

 

[Kormander]

Frame-shifting is a term that has been used in physics when talking about special relativity for decades. It's easy to see where it came from.

It may be easy to make sense out of the term, but can you point out any document that uses this terminology? To shift between frames of references makes sense as a tool for explaining relativity, but where has it been used? I can only find references to frameshift in DNA when I search for academic articles - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=frameshift+physics&btnG=&as_sdt=1,32&as_sdtp=

 

[Kormander]

I know I read "Pushing Ice" but I really don't recall the Frameshift Drive in it. Lol. Guess it didn't leave a huge impression on me.

It is only referenced at the end of the book (the last part of the book at the structure). I would not have marked it as significant normally, but had already known the term from ED.

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Frame-shifting is a term that has been used in physics when talking about special relativity for decades. It's easy to see where it came from.

Sorry, it is not easy for me to see where it came from. Can you provide a reference that talks about frame shifting in special relativity?

This is what I get:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...ity&hl=en&as_sdt=0,32&as_ylo=1900&as_yhi=2005

Crypto and genetics articles.

 

[Kormander]

I know I read "Pushing Ice" but I really don't recall the Frameshift Drive in it. Lol. Guess it didn't leave a huge impression on me.

It is actually only mentioned in the last part of the book, once they get to the "structure" (hopefully no spoilers).

 

[bend_r]

Sorry, it is not easy for me to see where it came from. Can you provide a reference that talks about frame shifting in special relativity?

Special relativity is the 'easy' one without gravity, so it doesn't apply here.

General relativity is where gravity and it's weird effect are described.
The closes term from GR to 'frame shift' that I know is 'frame dragging'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Frameshift_mutation

The term comes from biology and is mentioned in many bio-physics books.

I can also see how the term relates to our in game drive system from this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translational_frameshift

It's all so clear now, honest!

 

[Lupin]

As I said in my first every post on forum, I do not hear "Frame shift drive" I hear "Friendship drive"
An odd phrase to use anyway.

 

[Yodafone]

Frame-shifting is a term that has been used in physics when talking about special relativity for decades. It's easy to see where it came from.

I thought it was something to do with genome mutation or something like that. Still interesting to hear people's take on the phrase, whether it's simply because I'm now living, breathing, dreaming Elite, FrameShift seems to describe the bending/cheating of physics very well to me.

 

[Enride]

First post here. I really enjoy exploring in ED and listening to sci fi audiobooks. I have recently been listening to an author named Alastair Reynolds. His works pair well with ED. So much so that in the last book I listened to, "Pushing Ice," the Frameshift drive is a plot device. That book was written in 2005. Does anyone know of any sci fi books or video games that introduce the FSD before that?

tl;dr; any references to FSD before 2005?

I never heard the term "FSD" before Elite Dangerous but rven with only a basic and amateurish knowlegde of physics and relativity, i can still easily imagine its general function.
I wouldnt be able to go into details and may only explain it as being a device that lets you shift your frame of reference.
Probably completely unlogical but for me its a good enough explanation

I wouldnt mind more details and fluff tho

 

[Kitfox]

Closest I know of is the Linear Displacement System of the I-War games.
A very similar thing.
But the term itself, not a clue.

 

[Whiterose]

Because Buckaroo Banzai was already taken.

I so want a Buckaroo Banzai Drive. 5...4....3...2...1... BANZAI

 

[Snarfbuckle]

Well, FD definitely coined the word "Friendship Drive"

Remember, when someone unfriendly interdicts you the friendship drive turns off.

 

[Jockey79]

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tl;dr; any references to FSD before 2005?

1984, Elite ?

Was it not part of that?

 

[Zieman]

1984, Elite ?

Was it not part of that?

Nope.

Hyperjumps, Witch-Space and "Space-skip facility" were.

 

[Cody]

... "Space-skip facility" were.

Similar to FSD in effect though!