Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn
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The Oresrians are not, in fact, another name for the Thargoids. They are another species altogether. The Dark Wheel describes them as almost alike, but having different markings on their thorax, and a different shape of the fourth joint on the hind legs. Supposedly, mistaking them for the Thargoids will really anger them, so it's a bad idea. I'm not sure if your referring to the Oresrians as being another name for the Thargoids, but if you aren't, please don't take offense. I'm pretty sure my information is accurate, as I've just read The Dark Wheel this morning, and I'm looking at the PDF book right now.
I think you want to read the new lore book Out of the Darkness for more on the Oresrians (and other things...), the above may not be as accurate as you think. ;-)
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Alright, so here's the problem with that. The world of the original Elite is essentially non-canon at this point (as are sources like Oolite & friends). They feature worlds that no longer exist, a wealth of sentient space-faring species (E: D currently has only humans & the former species the Imperials wiped out when claiming Achenar), descriptions of ship exteriors & paths through Witchspace/Faraway. (This pains me, having also read The Dark Wheel last night.
Reading through Drew Wagar's posts on his blog give a sense of how far he, the other authors & the FDev writing staff have gone to create a coherent galaxy & backstory. If that's to be trusted, then "Out Of Darkness" should be nearly as canon as the game itself (or as the game was in pre-Alpha/Alpha). So, spoiler alert.
"Out Of Darkness talks at length about the Oresrians through the discourse of a highly-educated, highly-intellectual man who's formed an alliance with them. Carl (the primary antogonist) speaks about their history & intelligence. He informs another character (and us, by proxy) that the "Thargoids" are actually two groups/factions of (roughly) the same species: the Oresrians & the Klaxians. He makes a specific point of that they are both "Thargoids" . And the Klaxians are made to be aggressive - "...The Klaxians already push into Oresrian space, seeking to expand..." Source is Loc 5337 of the Kindle e-book.
The book also features two close-quarters encounters with the Oresrians & gives us some backstory on Peregrina (if you followed the old thread, it appears to have nothing to do with the community's tests with the UA).
If I could summon a Brookes for clarification, I would. I'd also ask "Do UA still appear in signal sources (perhaps not the same locations) in 1.3?"
I also wish we could ask Kerrash: "Having confirmed there's Morse in the UA's sound, is further audio analysis worthwhile or are the clues located elsewhere?"
Further to this, Out of the Darkness is pretty clear that:
The Oresrians were the first batch of Thargoids that humanity met and fought in a "skirmish", i.e. what we call the First Thargoid War, and what Michael Brookes referred to as a lost "scouting party" we destroyed that the Thargoids are now looking for. What happens in the book at Peregrina could very well explain the quarantine that appears there, whether or not the UAs are related to the events in Peregrina remains to be seen - they could be some form of more forward scouting by the Thargoids looking for their earlier scouting party.
If we are really unlucky they are Klaxians...
As you say, it is also unclear whether humanity actually made peace with the Oresrians as they might have based on the old lore. A strong indication that we did though is the planet Quy in Quiness system. Take a look at the FFE lore for it, and then take a look at the planet itself in the Galaxy Map, particularly it's description. Thargoids are not coming... they are already here! (i.e. note lack of the word "indigenous" in the description of the planetary life).
If we are really unlucky they are Klaxians...
As you say, it is also unclear whether humanity actually made peace with the Oresrians as they might have based on the old lore. A strong indication that we did though is the planet Quy in Quiness system. Take a look at the FFE lore for it, and then take a look at the planet itself in the Galaxy Map, particularly it's description. Thargoids are not coming... they are already here! (i.e. note lack of the word "indigenous" in the description of the planetary life).
With massive thanks to Wishblend (rep+), I've finished cutting up the recordings needed to complete the alphabet (linked here ).
What use is this? I don't know tbh. You could use them to create other "words" which could be emitted from a UA in the right place (like RAXXLA, for example ), though it's not much use if you don't know where to put the UA to generate that pattern. What it could be used for I guess is to verify if a recording is wildly different to an expected recording. I don't really have much left to contribute on this front. If you can find a use for the alphabet, by all means go for it
For now, I'm running with a hunch (the sort of hunch that sent me all the way to the bovomit sector for, ultimately no reason), but if anyone comes across Trinkets of Hidden Fortune, let me know. Ships carrying them spawn in WSS, but damned if they aren't really rare,, more often than not the ships that spawn in WSS when you dont have a salvage mission carry indium only. I came across one carrying trinkets, but dammit I forgot to load limpets for my hatch breaker, and shooting the cargo hatch off an adder without blowing it isn't easy with C2 beams :/
What use is this? I don't know tbh. You could use them to create other "words" which could be emitted from a UA in the right place (like RAXXLA, for example ), though it's not much use if you don't know where to put the UA to generate that pattern. What it could be used for I guess is to verify if a recording is wildly different to an expected recording. I don't really have much left to contribute on this front. If you can find a use for the alphabet, by all means go for it
For now, I'm running with a hunch (the sort of hunch that sent me all the way to the bovomit sector for, ultimately no reason), but if anyone comes across Trinkets of Hidden Fortune, let me know. Ships carrying them spawn in WSS, but damned if they aren't really rare,, more often than not the ships that spawn in WSS when you dont have a salvage mission carry indium only. I came across one carrying trinkets, but dammit I forgot to load limpets for my hatch breaker, and shooting the cargo hatch off an adder without blowing it isn't easy with C2 beams :/
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BTW Are we even sure it is morse code?
Um, didn't he just do that?
Seems to me that's a hint that morse code it is probably not...
BTW Are we even sure it is morse code?
Um, didn't he just do that?
Seems to me that's a hint that morse code it is probably not...
There are some Elite & Founder missions where you are hired to transport some trinkets, so there's an easy way of acquiring some. If you'd like, I'll keep an eye out for the mission and deliver the cans if I see one. (I don't recall the mission text giving you any hints, though. Just that you're using the trinkets to smuggle something valuable.)
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Ahh I said I'd give you a hand if you wanted. =p
Great job though!
I kept seeing Trinkets a few weeks back, didn't realise they might be important, I'll try to snag some.
This, +1. Just getting caught up on the thread after a week or so away, and while I admire the persistence of the audio folks, I thought we had "found" the morse code some time ago, and discounted it as the background noise being picked up from nav beacons and stations that broadcast their names/locations?
You were very lucky then as for me when I tried to do it they just instantly went for me with scanners. Also I hope you have an good ship for holding it with correct modules now.
5 mins Wishblend as that's what we did for our test but that's starting the timer right from ejection.
I'm waiting for the EKURU A 1 recording from Wishblend. The chittering, if not morse, is definitely based off it. If I was wrong about that at all, there's no way I could've navigated the recordings by Wishblend to pull out the remaining symbols.
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Several of wishblends recordings are outside bodies in uninhabited systems (i.e no nav beacons and stations).
Did you see Kerrash's follow up post???
It's morse, you can tell by listening to it.
"Aaaaah but it might not be morse, have you thought of that!"
"Yeah but are you SURE??"
"Yeah but are you REALLY SURE because IT MIGHT NOT BE!"
It's bloody morse!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&page=6&p=2490413&viewfull=1#post2490413
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Again, not to discount all the work you folks and Wishblend are doing, but is there not a chance you are just hearing what you want to hear? You know the name of the system or station, so are just hearing the dots and dashes you want in the chittering? In effect, you are starting with the "message" and working backwards to "hear" it in the chittering?
They might not be important
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Not really. It's way too much effort to "show my working", but while I was extracting the noises, I was cross-referencing older samples with newer ones.
Again, the EKURU A 1 recording will be my smoking gun hopefully. If the recording is similar to my constructed sound, that's pretty much a guarantee.
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Not entirely convinced yet, but this is is the best ED thread for bl00dy ages so thanks for that folks!
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Where is this post? The only follow up I found was where Kerrash says he was just messing with us, and was going to ask FD to see if they could drop another hint. And FWIW I have listened to some of the recordings but cannot hear morse in the ones I watched, but my hearing is shot so that might explain it. Is there a closed captioning version?
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Well you can listen to it yourself and make your own mind up : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&page=6&p=2490413&viewfull=1#post2490413
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If nothing else we are giving people something to read other than the auto-generated weekly Galnet and PP grind reports that now seem to dominate what passes for story in the news.
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I think the link you just posted proves my point about working backwards from what you think the "message" is? You start with Ross 154, and then "find" it in the message, even though you yourself say several of the letters are difficult if not impossible to hear in morse in that post.
I still feel suspicious that the same solution resulted in each string becoming something that almost sounds like a word.
I have a feeling that they could be snippets of much longer strings, like sentences.
What is the longest UA audio that has been recorded? Am I correct no one has ever heard a repeating sequence of purrs? Maybe they just didn't listen for long enough?
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