No - what I meant was the final game Elite: Dangerous will eclipse anything SC will come up with, simply by virtue of the fact that open games are generally better than heavily scripted ones. They have more re playability and more freedom.
So whats up with the Kickstarter Elite 4 site?
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No - what I meant was the final game Elite: Dangerous will eclipse anything SC will come up with, simply by virtue of the fact that open games are generally better than heavily scripted ones. They have more re playability and more freedom.
Sorry Space Pirate, but I'm going to have to agree with Styggron.No - what I meant was the final game Elite: Dangerous will eclipse anything SC will come up with, simply by virtue of the fact that open games are generally better than heavily scripted ones. They have more re playability and more freedom.
As both games have yet to finish development, we can't say which game is better.
In fact, it makes no difference which game is better, as what you like may not be what someone else will like.
The only way anyone can sensibly say which game they prefer, is to play both games, and even then their opinion only applies to what they like. If someone else decides they are not attracted enough to either game to even give it a try, that is their choice, but they would then be wrong to say one game is better than the other without having tried both games.
Let's wait until both games are finished, then we can see which we prefer.
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Based on previous experience of both games Elite will be better for me. Wing Commander was great and all but it was too limited overall for my tastes. Frontier hit the right spot for me in that the openness and vastness created an overriding feeling of wonder and managed to convey a good feeling of what it would actually be like to be an advanced human civilisation travelling between the stars. Whereas Wing Commander was like an American film - bold, loud and exciting but ultimately not entirely convincing.
My overriding concern now is whether the Elite Kickstarter project can manage to keep the pledges coming in. I really hope David B has some great ideas for more media to be added. Because Elite is fighting an uphill battle. Kids these days want loud, bold, and immediate. They don't know what games like Elite were like where you get immersed and pulled in and play for months on end. They don't have that in gaming anymore. therefore somehow David B needs to capture that audience. And he needs to do it soon.
We all remember the ships etc from Elite and Frontier and are enthralled at the stuff on the site at the moment but a kid playing games now does know what a Cobra or a Puma were. They are likely to take that stuff at face value and TBH the stuff on there ain't that great if you take it only at face value. David B really needs to get something exciting on there that will blow the kids of today away - the way you will be able to walk through your own ship for example, the way you can land at starbases on planets, the fact you will have loads of ships to choose from including massive ships and not just fighters but also cargo ships, the way you will have almost an entire universe to explore not just a few pre-rendered planets. These are the things David B needs to get across to the younger generation.
"The battle for the Elite veteran is over. I expect that the battle for the COD generation is about to begin" to almost quote a famous man.
My overriding concern now is whether the Elite Kickstarter project can manage to keep the pledges coming in. I really hope David B has some great ideas for more media to be added. Because Elite is fighting an uphill battle. Kids these days want loud, bold, and immediate. They don't know what games like Elite were like where you get immersed and pulled in and play for months on end. They don't have that in gaming anymore. therefore somehow David B needs to capture that audience. And he needs to do it soon.
We all remember the ships etc from Elite and Frontier and are enthralled at the stuff on the site at the moment but a kid playing games now does know what a Cobra or a Puma were. They are likely to take that stuff at face value and TBH the stuff on there ain't that great if you take it only at face value. David B really needs to get something exciting on there that will blow the kids of today away - the way you will be able to walk through your own ship for example, the way you can land at starbases on planets, the fact you will have loads of ships to choose from including massive ships and not just fighters but also cargo ships, the way you will have almost an entire universe to explore not just a few pre-rendered planets. These are the things David B needs to get across to the younger generation.
"The battle for the Elite veteran is over. I expect that the battle for the COD generation is about to begin" to almost quote a famous man.
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Yeah, I agree there, but on the other hand, I think it's a massive challenge to wow a new generation on some of the aspects we loved - maybe it's something that they have to experience for themselves?
I do think that maybe for me one of the massive 'wow' factors was the huge range of ship sizes, types, functions etc., and even Star Citizen isn't giving much away on that - they're only showing one user ship really.
But once we have images of a large range of user ships, that could be something that would appeal to both the existing Elite fans and newbies alike. Maybe?
Concept art would be okay, but seeing rendered models is really the thing. Obviously that's a lot to ask at this stage in the development.
I do think that maybe for me one of the massive 'wow' factors was the huge range of ship sizes, types, functions etc., and even Star Citizen isn't giving much away on that - they're only showing one user ship really.
But once we have images of a large range of user ships, that could be something that would appeal to both the existing Elite fans and newbies alike. Maybe?
Concept art would be okay, but seeing rendered models is really the thing. Obviously that's a lot to ask at this stage in the development.
I'd sugges that there is still a market for immersive games. Skyrim is a game where you can follow the scripted missions/quest or choose to head off into the wilderness and write your own story.
To be honest, most games in the 'Elite' era were crash bang, play it for a few minutes get the highest score types. I'd suggest that the modern era is more receptive to the type of game that Elite and Frontier were and are.
The demographic of what a 'gamer' is has moved on. It may very well be dominated by young 'uns but there are older gamers now, where years ago there weren't.... and I think they have different tastes. As much as I love the occasional FPS, I prefer something more long term with a bit of strategy myself.
Also I'd be tempted to place the blame with those who fund games, not those who make them who are unfortunately beholden to those who control the money. They know that a new set of CoD missions will sell so they'll just give people more of the same - they have to make their investment back.
Indie developers are more likely to take a risk because they will sell copies based on delivering something unique and innovative and getting interest from word of mouth rather than massive marketing budgets. Let's not forget that FPS pretty much started out with a little game called Wolfenstein 3D....
A big, deep open ended game might appear to be a harder sell, but not impossible. Skyrim and its predecessors have done okay! ... Although that's still a linear story game, you can just opt in and out of the story and experience the other content as you wish. Within a couple of weeks of it coming out, I'd heard of people finishing the storyline at level 30, I'm at level 35 and still only about 2 quests in (Love exploring and wandering around doing sideline quests..)
Also I'd be tempted to place the blame with those who fund games, not those who make them who are unfortunately beholden to those who control the money. They know that a new set of CoD missions will sell so they'll just give people more of the same - they have to make their investment back.
Indie developers are more likely to take a risk because they will sell copies based on delivering something unique and innovative and getting interest from word of mouth rather than massive marketing budgets. Let's not forget that FPS pretty much started out with a little game called Wolfenstein 3D....
A big, deep open ended game might appear to be a harder sell, but not impossible. Skyrim and its predecessors have done okay! ... Although that's still a linear story game, you can just opt in and out of the story and experience the other content as you wish. Within a couple of weeks of it coming out, I'd heard of people finishing the storyline at level 30, I'm at level 35 and still only about 2 quests in (Love exploring and wandering around doing sideline quests..)
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Check out the kickstarter comments site
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments
and 'Do your Jonty'!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments
and 'Do your Jonty'!
To clarify: In my opinion, Elite 4 will be the better game, because, again in my opinion, open games are nearly always superior to scripted ones.
We're over the £400,000 mark now.
No - what I meant was the final game Elite: Dangerous will eclipse anything SC will come up with, simply by virtue of the fact that open games are generally better than heavily scripted ones. They have more re playability and more freedom.
Gotcha. But again it was made clear that in SC you CAN do what you want unless you start off in the Military. If you start off in the military you do your tour and AFTER your tour of duty you can do what you want so they are open as well. This is something Chris Roberts talks about specifically.
It is pretty much like real life. If you are in the military and you try to do your own thing you are going AWOL or are deserting. :smilie:
For me and many others there is plenty of room for them both. We ALL LOVE the Space Sim genre we will gobble them both up. ELITE though will be far more SPECIAL in our hearts though because so many of us were actually THERE when it FIRST started. :smilie:
Its simply and easy. I pledged only for Star Citizen.
But only because there is still no paypal option for Elite: Dangerous. If it comes, i will go for this here aswell. ^^
And i personally was here by both before it started. I heard from Elite long for years before it started. I even got some alpha screens from years ago. Ok, don't think i have them anymore. And i don't think they are nearly by up to date anymore. At least i think they where from Elite. ^^
But only because there is still no paypal option for Elite: Dangerous. If it comes, i will go for this here aswell. ^^
And i personally was here by both before it started. I heard from Elite long for years before it started. I even got some alpha screens from years ago. Ok, don't think i have them anymore. And i don't think they are nearly by up to date anymore. At least i think they where from Elite. ^^
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I'm not sure that there is anything gained from attempting to differentiate intangibles at this stage. I also think that the more games that make it out there in this genre the more popular it will become with publishers which is great for us. I think that they will both be great and wish them both all the best because in the end that serves me in the best ways possible. Now all Frontier needs to do is sort its social media campaign and get this game seriously funded and developed in anger.
Yust wonder how popular the publisher will be in the future. Good possible that more and more developers will go the Kickstarter way. There is already a clear tendency to see.
Agree with many who say there needs to be more relevant Kickstarter site content. It was noticeable that the initial surge of pledging slowed after the first day and then began to improve slowly with the release of the video of David Braben's address to camera, which was nice.
There are many posts analysing the content of the background screens looking for signs of commitment to production like a viable engine and indications of the graphical look. They are comparing it with Star Citizen, obviously.
There are many posts analysing the content of the background screens looking for signs of commitment to production like a viable engine and indications of the graphical look. They are comparing it with Star Citizen, obviously.
I have to say that I pledged to Planetary Annihilation based on the in-game footage in their pitch video, so the sooner ED has 'decent' in-game footage on the Kickstarter site the better.
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