Frankly, I don't see the flaw in this logic. ED is, and always has been, a game specifically designed with the current solo/group/open mechanic in mind. If this is not the kind of game you want to play, why is it the case that FD should be required to change their game to suit you, rather than you going off to find a different game that more suits what you want to play?
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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Frankly, I don't see the flaw in this logic. ED is, and always has been, a game specifically designed with the current solo/group/open mechanic in mind. If this is not the kind of game you want to play, why is it the case that FD should be required to change their game to suit you, rather than you going off to find a different game that more suits what you want to play?
The above is part of the OP from this thread:- https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164493
To start I think it's an insult to every solo player to class us as using an exploit. This guy needs to understand that FD decided to allow solo players to take part in PP so in no way should it be considered an exploit for those who chose to play this way.
The reason why i play solo is simple, I'm sick and tiered of every game being mainly multiplayer focused. I don't want to come home from an 11 hour day working just to have some random pilot in a conda take me out just because they want to feel uber leetlleet.
When I get to the stage of having a large sum of credits I want to be able to play all parts of the game that FD allows this includes PP.
What the above poster forgot about completely is that players will do things in the system when he is not online... Are they also exploiting?
Also notice how he dosn't even mention groups, obviously they are not exploiting according to his logic.
In short, this is just a backhanded way of insulting people who play solo and that is what i see so much of in this thread.
If the above is an exploit then so is veterans killing noobs in MP.
I would have replied to his post in the original thread but a Mod has pointed people here for replies on this subject. No doubt you all talked about this many pages ago but I figured that calling all solo players exploiters was a bit to much to tolerate without a come back.
There is a thread stickied somewhere specifically for suggestions so they don't get lost in this - can't recall where but I'm sure someone will know.
ETA - it's here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=130872 it's closed to stop it getting overrun - instructions how to post in the OP.
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All the mods here are volunteers doing it without pay (AFAIK) in their own time, for a game they love. if you have a specific issue with one i believe there are avenues to complain, (not publicly). however bear in mind, if you want to make it so mods are completely hamstrung and not allowed to inject a little of themselves into their posts then, chances are the mods will simply leave....
Maybe you do not agree with the mods all of the time, but surely agree or disagree you can see that they as a whole make the place a much better place to be, and without them it would be anarchy (real anarchy, not the watered down anarchy we get in elite right now - (my attempt to bring it back to the game in a light hearted way
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because an NPC has no gamer ego, its AI is programmed to function in that environment, true to the nature and abilities it is giving for its type and role. if we understand the role of our AI aggressor we can account for it and prepare appropriately. if FD say its a pirate and they have modelled it properly, we know it will make demands, we know it wont shoot us for giggles, and we know once we have dropped the cargo we are free to be on our way. When SJ does her magic to the AI and says 'this is what it should do'.. we trust her.. and if it doesn't do as she says it should, we know that she will go back and sort it.
as for real players being more realistic.. you really haven't considered that statement have you? players are aware they are playing a game, so most of them don't concern themselves with the most basic of human nature.. survival. assessing survival and processing risk is something we all do in real life, but in a game there no fear of death, only a concern about any cost attached to it or respawn times. Add to that the lack of serious consequences for certain actions not scaling with the offence committed.. this allows for behaviour and attitudes that are not real. so no.. real players are not more realistic.
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<adds exploiters to the list> Keep 'em coming!
You must have missed the many times that Robert has said he himself plays (mainly) in open?
He is refuting unsubstantiated claims and bad logic. Seems to me that's in line with moderating a forum. If you claim, for example, "players are leaving the game in droves", "the game will die", etc., it's perfectly reasonable for a moderator to challenge this because if it was left unchallenged on the game's official forum, then some visitors might take it to be true.
Robert Maynard
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Given that the 90/9/1 "rule" seems to apply to these forums too (90% never come here; 9% register and make very few posts; 1% register and participate), even these forums cannot be taken as representative - especially as there is no requirement to own the game to register here (or comment on the game on reddit for that matter).
Yes, a subset of a subset of players are unhappy with a set of game features that have been included in the stated game design for over two and a half years. No, we don't know how many players that really represents.
Frontier know how many players are active and in which mode(s) they play in - they don't share that data however - but are more than capable of taking action should they see fit.
Sad attempt. You forgot to note that in the MP version there would be 8,000 'teams' all trying to win. Solo is simple it's me V the AI but great use of colours shame it makes no relevant point as it can be so easily turned around.
It has also been stated previously that moderators are expressly forbidden to have multiple, or secondary accounts. To prevent any accusation of bias, sock puppetry or trolling.
The mods here are not paid by FDev.
You can do that yourself by the way. Spread the word.
Sadly I am not sure they are - they have their hands fairly well tied now.
I can't envisage a way to sort this problem out that wouldn't require fundamental changes and cause a huge uproar.
It was a brave attempt on their part to find a compromise that would satisfy the majority of players but it was inevitable that mixing the modes was going to cause problems.
Even Moderators are entitled to their own opinions. They moderate the forums, they are not writing gospels.
lol, how many players have quit the game completely and yet still frequent these forums? the game makes its projections on sales, so yeah pretty much once we buy the game that figure is accounted for.
they cant be doing too badly though, did they not just take on some new folk, including a community manager who seems very interested in group development? group development! another poignant message to all you 'get rid of solo/group types' eh?. FD are not a money grab business.. DBOBE does not want this to be a P2W title, or hit us with subs, he would like us to buy cosmetic things to help support the game, but he wont ram it down out throats or flash advertise it in game. didn't he even say, that type attitude or approach to business was very un-British? so to me, that doesn't say 'oh , we are struggling!' that says.. 'ok, we are currently meeting our needs'.
Here, I've fixed it for you.
Player A: Fancy a game of football this weekend?
Player B: Yes but I would like to play in solo mode.
Player A: Huh?
Player B: I don't know who you are and I have no interest in playing directly against you, besides my internet connection is very poor and it'd be a lagfest
Player A: What's the point of that?
Player B: Sometimes I just like to play alone
I'm not sure you understood the point, or maybe I am failing to understand yours.
To clarify:
Powerplay introduces a competitive element (the teams if you like)
As solo means the 'goals' are just a matter of grinding numbers there is no incentive to actually play the game in open as your goalkeeper cannot stop a ball shot by an invisible player in a different dimension.
If solo really was just you vs the AI that would be fine but it's not.
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Then play ALONE and stop demanding that you influence the result of a match you have no real part in
Cool, but then, do you agree that being able to switch modes is a useful thing for some people?
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No worries anyway. They will never make anything better than Battlefront 2 anyway. I play that with the kids sometimes. Especially fun if i can get them to play Ewoks while i hunt them down.
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Answer: Too many.
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