Perceived unfairness, or how to make people angry.

This week in powerplay really brought this out in droves.

A Lavigny-Duval crashed and burned, and was then brought back to life again through changes that only affected her power. This seems really unfair to everyone else who were doing their best to avoid falling into that trap.

Being brought back to life by a change in overhead calculations (which so far only affects her - all other powers have exactly the same overhead costs as when she crashed), means she now has a CC surplus - so why did she lose two systems? Systems only revolt if there's a CC deficit the week after they went into turmoil, and she doesn't have a CC deficit any more. This seems unfair to A Lavigny-Duval's supporters.

Bringing A Lavigny-Duval back from the crash also wrecked havoc on the standings. Not just because everyone but Hudson moved down one spot, but also because Aisling Duval suddenly swapped with Torval. Somehow Torval managed to stay in 4th while Aisling Duval dropped from 3rd to 5th - all because A Lavigny-Duval moved from 10th to 2nd. This seems really unfair to Aisling Duval's supporters.

Bringing A Lavigny-Duval back from the crash directly affected the standing value percentages by rather significant amounts, but the amounts vary from power to power. Mahon had the biggest drop of 9 percentage points while Yong-Rui had the smallest drop of only 2 percentage points. This seems really unfair to Mahon's supporters.

A Lavigny-Duval's overhead was seemingly changed from (exploited systems)^3/74,000 to (exploited systems)^3/94,295 (a reduction of 1,145 CC) but this new calculation hasn't been applied to any other power. That means the other powers were cheated out of between 11 CC (Antal) and 692 CC (Hudson) and a grand total of 2,556 CC. This seems extremely unfair to everyone else.

Part of the problem is the amount of black-box calculations happening in the game. Standings and overheads for one. Part of the problem is that changes were made that only affect one power (overhead calculations) so far. Sure, they may be changed for everyone next week, but that still robbed everyone else of 2,556 CC that could and would have been used to expand into other systems.

Combine this with the perceived Empire bias (Imperial Hammer, Prismatic Shield, Advanced Accelerator), and you've managed to make people even more angry. Add in the lack of action when Archon Delaine's had problems and it just seems like you are trying to keep the Empire on top at the cost of everyone else.

Now - it may be the case that the actions taken would have been identical had it been Hudson that crashed and burned, and to be honest I think this is the case. Your behaviour so far, however, doesn't exactly point towards treating everyone fairly. It feeds into the perceived unfairness, and it's ticking people off.
 
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While I do agree that there's an "Empire bias" (if only for the fact that they have Imperial Slaves, a real money-making commodity), the point about ALD being unfairly brought back to life is nonsense.

For the record - I didn't pledge to ALD.

If a power can go from #1 to #10 without outside influence all in one day is nonsensical. IF she were undermined and attacked from all sides by all other powers in a concentrated effort to bring her down? Then yeah, sure, I'll dig that! And I ALSO dig that larger powers should have more internal issues making their life harder.

But, again, to go from #1 to #10 in a single moment only because they expanded? That's madness. Think on THAT for a while.
 
Yeah, as a Mahon supporter, i'm really unhappy.
Also i came a long way in undermining Arissa before she just magically turned into CC profit.
I demand compensation!
 
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If a power can go from #1 to #10 without outside influence all in one day is nonsensical.

According to the powerplay manual, standing is calculated by:

* Number of controlled and exploited systems (more is better) (ALD was number 1)
* Number of successful preparations and expansions (more is better) (ALD was number 10)
* Number of systems in turmoil (fewer is better) (ALD was number 10 - ALL of her systems were in turmoil)
* Number of systems revolted (fewer is better) (ALD was number 10)

She lost any and all ability to project her power anywhere, which clearly made her the least powerful force out of the ten.

However - this wasn't about it being unreasonable that she was brought back. The unfairness is that she was brought back by changing her and ONLY HER overhead calculations. Her being brought back when a cycle is in play rather than doing it between cycles then exposes a lot of perceived unfairness, because suddenly a lot of other statistics are changed in full view of everything.

Note the word "perceived". It is different from "actual", which is why I chose to use it.
 
I am very unhappy ALD was brought back to life. Area of space I call home, and have put 3 months of effort into now under Alliance control - PP has allowed half a dozen players to undermine 3 months work of half a dozen players in 2 weeks, and then the day after when I had something to smile about with PP, they go an reverse it.

Here is hoping another power crashes.

Sorry to sound so negative and selfish.

Simon
 
A problem with PP quick weekly counting is also that a faction holding sway over 10-20 systems CANNOT simply just loose everything overnight. It just does not happen.

What SHOULD happen is that they should start loosign influence at the edges of their sphere of influence, loosing support at the fringes and consolidate power to their closer system.

So a power expands, and then contracts when they sstart to loose systems.

And lets not even mention the fact that a political faction is allowed to dictate laws in a system not even controlled by their own ruling faction (Empire PP faction dictates laws in FED owned system).
 
act that a political faction is allowed to dictate laws in a system not even controlled by their own ruling faction (Empire PP faction dictates laws in FED owned system).
Cultural Victory a la Civilization.

Though seriously, Feds trying to take over Empire or Empire trying to take over Fed systems should be a massive event, going from cold war to hot.
 
However - this wasn't about it being unreasonable that she was brought back. The unfairness is that she was brought back by changing her and ONLY HER overhead calculations. Her being brought back when a cycle is in play rather than doing it between cycles then exposes a lot of perceived unfairness, because suddenly a lot of other statistics are changed in full view of everything.
Was the overhead changed only for ALD? I thought it was charged for everyone.
 
Was the overhead changed only for ALD? I thought it was charged for everyone.

Every other power has the exact same overhead they had at the start of this cycle, but ALD's dropped by ~22%. There is no way the change was applied to everyone, unless the new calculation contains an IF statement or similar.
 
Every other power has the exact same overhead they had at the start of this cycle, but ALD's dropped by ~22%. There is no way the change was applied to everyone, unless the new calculation contains an IF statement or similar.

Yes, obviously, due to the obvious fact that the inherent defect in PP (due to the sole fault of FD/Developers) that needed fixing was only attributable to A L-D, ie only one power was affected, hence the fix applied to her alone.

Honestly, it's not that difficult to comprehend if one has regard to the entire picture rather than cherry-picking arguments/scenarios. It's like when we were all itty-bitty tikes just a knee high and had a very bad tooth. Our Mommas took us to the dentist and we had the tooth pulled and all was better with the world.

Note however that it was only us that had our tooth pulled - our Momma did not have a tooth pulled as well ;)
 

Deadlock989

Banned
FD should just stream the game they're playing and have NPCs do all the grind

People could pay to subscribe to it if they wanted
 

Sandro Sammarco

Lead Designer
Frontier
Hello Commanders!

The changes to overhead affect everyone, not just Arissa. It's just that they focus on CC revenue flows for powers that are large in size, like Hudson and Arissa currently are.

We have no problem with powers failing, but we want to make sure the reasons are sound and focus it more on power conflict than powers becoming arbitrarily too large.
 
Hello Commanders!

The changes to overhead affect everyone, not just Arissa. It's just that they focus on CC revenue flows for powers that are large in size, like Hudson and Arissa currently are.

We have no problem with powers failing, but we want to make sure the reasons are sound and focus it more on power conflict than powers becoming arbitrarily too large.

I couldn't agree more, but it's a bitter pill to swallow, how can we trust in FD if they make changes at a whim, you should have made the changes but still retained some of what happened, instead, now players don't know what to think.

I know how I feel now, that PP is just a cover for your internal game, but thats ok, I'm fine with that.
 
This is the same mistake Gordon Brown made with the banks...have we learned nothing?

Powerplay, too big to fail?

If we examine the story of it's inception... that it's the brain child of someone close to the heart of ED development. Close enough in fact to ensure something like PP is produced instead of the plethora of suggestions made in the design forum.

Then yeah.. too big to fail.
 
Hello Commanders!

The changes to overhead affect everyone, not just Arissa. It's just that they focus on CC revenue flows for powers that are large in size, like Hudson and Arissa currently are.

We have no problem with powers failing, but we want to make sure the reasons are sound and focus it more on power conflict than powers becoming arbitrarily too large.

That's fair enough but you seem to have entirely forgotten about Archon's bugged expansion last cycle.
According to the manual not expanding if in the bottom 3 can result in elimination. When this happened to another power they were granted the expansion when the cycle ticked over but as far as I'm aware there has been no mention of it for us and no reply to the bug report.

OK we are a small power that everyone seems to hate but surely if you can move mountains for a big power you can throw us a bone too? :)
We don't particularly want the expansion but it would be nice to know that we are not in danger because of this bug.
 
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