Just ban them. they admit cheating, the proof is there. Get rid of them job done. i would no hesitation.
FYI: user posts a video of a cheater who clearly admits it, laughing about FD soft hand, and FD take immediate action
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To justify you breaking the naming and shaming rules under the pretense of 'knowledge needs to be spread' is deserving of a forum shadow ban, if that were to exist. The name was in a video you embedded to the forums and through the context it was very clear this was a naming and shaming attempt.Yes, but if I'd been in silence, you'd never known story. Knowledge need to be spread, not keep for ourselves in silence.
Most of all, there were non names in my post. Just a link to a Reddit post, with a link to a Video.
But perhaps I've misunderstood what you meant...
EDIT: And a cheating accusation NEEDS proofs, like a Video. Video or it didn't happen, isn't it?
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Either way, a 7 page HEY LOOK AT ME AND THIS GUY thread is absolutely not necessary. If the message is that you're not satisfied with the punishment they received, make a mature and detailed post about that. Not this.
First of all I did not post a video, but a link to a reddit thread WHERE THE CHEATER WAS SHOWING HIMSELF AND WRITING HIS NAME HIMSELF, so he named and shamed himself.
Second, the video was not about ME but about another player, read the thread title, please.
Third, please calm down sir and take it easy.
Four, are you a cheater perhaps?
From now on I'll do what you suggested and will not reply to you anymore. Silence, as you wish.
Fly safe CMDR.
What's the problem with him being shadowbanned?
He can't affect other people, he's in Solo mode.
So what's the anger? If he were a recurring offender he could be banned for more than 1 week. But you can't take away a game he paid for.
Stop him harassing others and they did that. Problem solved.
He can't affect other people, he's in Solo mode.
So what's the anger? If he were a recurring offender he could be banned for more than 1 week. But you can't take away a game he paid for.
Stop him harassing others and they did that. Problem solved.
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While it's obvious why punishment over such behaviour should be dealt with cautiously and personnaly, really I don't understand why FD would be so soft with proven cheaters. The game EULA is quite clear about that, there's no obligation to be kind in any way. As many stated, there are no benefits at all from letting them come back. Normal players feel cheated and frustrated, FD looks weak (from both sides, normal users and cheaters), and cheaters feel immune and can get even more cynical.
While there are only benefits in banning their account permanently. Players are happy, FD does not spend too much time with details, shadowban and such, and as for cheaters, if they want to come back in they'll have to buy a new licence, which is good for FD and fair. They could badmouth the game instead, so what? IMHO, they're doing much worse by being allowed to stay in the game and ruin it for everyone. Not to mention that they already badmouth it anyway.
I love the game too much to feel any kind of compassion for them. They don't like the game, they just like to ruin stuff around. In Elite, and in other games. Everyone is entitled to have fun, especially with games. But rules in games are not created with the same spirit as their real life counterparts, they do not serve the same purpose: they are meant to provide a playfield, and therefore an actual game to play with. I would not play Monopoly with an opponent who'd help himself for cash in the bank whenever he wants to. There would be no game at all, if he did so.
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Yes you can. When you buy a game, you actually buy a license to use it, a license that comes with a contract between both sides. Break the contract, then lose your rights to use that license. It's quite simple.
While there are only benefits in banning their account permanently. Players are happy, FD does not spend too much time with details, shadowban and such, and as for cheaters, if they want to come back in they'll have to buy a new licence, which is good for FD and fair. They could badmouth the game instead, so what? IMHO, they're doing much worse by being allowed to stay in the game and ruin it for everyone. Not to mention that they already badmouth it anyway.
I love the game too much to feel any kind of compassion for them. They don't like the game, they just like to ruin stuff around. In Elite, and in other games. Everyone is entitled to have fun, especially with games. But rules in games are not created with the same spirit as their real life counterparts, they do not serve the same purpose: they are meant to provide a playfield, and therefore an actual game to play with. I would not play Monopoly with an opponent who'd help himself for cash in the bank whenever he wants to. There would be no game at all, if he did so.
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Yes you can. When you buy a game, you actually buy a license to use it, a license that comes with a contract between both sides. Break the contract, then lose your rights to use that license. It's quite simple.
You're right: sorry. I got lost in the (three?) threads yesterday and today about this specific topic.
Don't accuse calm folk of not being calm.
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Me being a cheater or not has nothing to do with the lesson here.
What's the problem of being shadowbanned? The fact that before this thread dies, he'll be back? He only got a shadowban for 1 week, now that's weak! And, If I recall this thread properly, he has multiple accounts so he's probably back as soon as the ban took hold. Maybe he's being more careful and not cheating, maybe he isn't. So if he's on an alternate account, or once the 1 week has passed, he can be back to his old tricks again.
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The anger is because the response was weak. You certainly can take away the product he paid for. He deliberately changed the program so he wasn't actually playing the same game as the rest of us. This is blatently against the EULA that ALL of us electronically signed before we started playing. He broke his contract with FD, FD are under NO obligation to allow him to continue using their product. There is no stipulation that "If you are caught cheating 10 times, we'll take away your access", you break that contract once and you can be facing a permanent ban.
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I personally would love to see FD ban that account. IF he has enough money to already be playing multiple accounts, he can obviously afford one more, and I'd like to see FD get that extra money - it could pay for some extra content that the genuine players would like to see. And it has the added bonus of being a deterrent. How many people may be sitting on the fence, knowing that their skills are not up to combat, but now know how to make a name for themselves. How many would actually try if they knew that they'd either have to stump up the money for a new game and start from scratch themselves, or whine to mummy and daddy that the game they got for their birthday 'broke' and they can't play any more? Rather than being forced to play solo for a week?
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The permanent ban is a fitting punishment for cheating, and a deterrent to others.
A week of being shadow banned is a joke, and it won't deter anybody.
My view, proved to be cheating permanent shadow & save cleared.
Bringing product into disrepute effectively promoting cheating, enforced solo mode.
Continue bad mouthing after that then and they have already breached user agreement void their product, they should have to pay again and even then if same ip or email enforced solo mode as well as banning that email and IP from forum.
If they dispute the claims of cheating that should be only point where things get awkward...
Bringing product into disrepute effectively promoting cheating, enforced solo mode.
Continue bad mouthing after that then and they have already breached user agreement void their product, they should have to pay again and even then if same ip or email enforced solo mode as well as banning that email and IP from forum.
If they dispute the claims of cheating that should be only point where things get awkward...
Case by case is good. What is NOT good is the way THIS case was handled. This player is already educated. He is openly mocking the community and fdev about the punishment. If you are truly handling it case by case you can clearly see severe punishment is needed in this case. Your community is demanding more to be done. Protect us from hackers. The end.
Surprised this hasn't been linked yet.
Only way to deal with cheats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfUi9DzBuo
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Just for clarity, that's a Game Dev in charge of the player's alt.
Only way to deal with cheats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfUi9DzBuo
EDIT:
Just for clarity, that's a Game Dev in charge of the player's alt.
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Only shadow band for 1 week. Not long enough!
Ouch...that is pretty harsh. Effective but man....ouch
Others have already said it, but it's worth re-emphasizing. There also needs to be considered the lengths to which people go to 'cheat'. Someone exploiting something within the game, being abusive or otherwise breaking the rules *within the Elite client* is worthy of educating and rehabilitating. Someone that intentionally goes out of their way to download cheat engines or other programs with the sole, explicit intent of hacking or modifying processes outside of the Elite client is NOT worth the time educating or bringing back into the fold.
The scale of punishment must match the level of the offence and the consensus from the honest players here is very, VERY unambiguous. Ban them for a really significant length of time, even up to account deleting, as a first offence when external applications are being introduced, there is absolutely no excusing them whatsoever.
This is 100% spot on and deserves rep (so I repped this post).
This is what I meant about dealing with things appropriately: Public Executions. Head on A Spike On the Tower Of London.