East India Company buys out Zemina Torval's shares and withdraws financial support. [RP & Non-RP]

[iAmLegion]

East India Company buys out Zemina Torval's shares and withdraws financial support. [RP & Non-RP]

https://np.reddit.com/r/EliteDanger...india_company_buys_out_zemina_torvals_shares/

[RP MODE: ON]

Citizens of the Empire,
The East India Company would like to announce that it has bought out the shares of Senator Zemina Torval and will be withdrawing its official support of her politics.
Whilst we admire Senator Torval greatly, the East India Company has a history of being removed from the inner politics of the Empire. We have previously stated we do not have a vested interest in who sits the throne... nor do we care for the squabbles of various Senators. We are a business and our allegiance is to our shareholders and our wallets, as well as serving the Empire as a whole.
To that end, it has come to be necessary that we buy out Senator Torval's shares in our company.
We have chosen to distance ourselves from politics. We do not believe that it benefits our company to deal with Torval to the exclusion of the rest of the Empire. The East India Company is an Imperially-aligned company and remains faithfully so to this day, but we must seek enterprise wherever it may be found rather than being confined to the systems of one politician or another.
Many of our shareholders hold conflicting political views, so whilst the majority of our company will be visibly neutral you may see some individuals coming out openly on their political views, whether for Torval or one of the other Senators.
We respect the rights of our shareholders and employees to hold whatever political views they wish... however their views, words and actions within the political realm are not reflective of the East India Company but of that individual themselves.
Sequi Stellas... and Glory to the Empire.
LiquidCatnip
CEO - East India Company
[RP MODE: OFF]
So yeah, PowerPlay... I got a lot of things I want to write about it. I'm going to be sending FDEV some stuff this week regarding it as well as making a few public statements but the short version is...
Powerplay is killing this game and was killing our group. Whilst we were undoubtedly very good at PowerPlay when we could be bothered to be (got to #2 with a small handful of CMDRs)... the reality is we have seen drastically waning interest.
There are a lot of things that can be said about PowerPlay but the biggest things are:

• Restrictive gameplay. Made our Galaxy smaller.
• No story or emergent gameplay.
• Disincentive for Open Play (which is nothing new)
• Hurt relations with friends and friendly groups by polarising us against each other in extreme ways.
• Boxes players into certain playstyles.
• Repetitive, monotonous, tedious
• Huge time and money-sink without tangible return on investment.
• Constantly changing rules/mechanics rendering our strategies moot and our efforts pointless in the middle of a tick.
• Much much more...

So the short version is... we're out.
This is our semi-boycott of PowerPlay.
We love Elite: Dangerous... for all its faults... and we hope to continue doing what we've previously done with player-driven story, community contributions and charity events to make this game better. We'll also be doing what we can to provide meaningful feedback to FDEV about what we're doing and why we're doing it.
We do not believe that PowerPlay is the way forward for this game. This game doesn't resemble the Elite: Dangerous that we love.
In short, we're done with PowerPlay until it's either completely reworked or removed from the game.
Thanks for your time. Sorry for the wall of text.
Love,
LC

 

[Katkon]

Honestly, I just don't understand this sort of thing. Why make a big public display out of focusing on other elements of gameplay? It's a bit like a trader announcing that he/she is tired of trading and moving into bounty hunting. I get that you, and your group, don't like PowerPlay. That's fine; you're entitled to your opinion. But do you seriously need to start another thread on the subject. Really?

Personally, I'm enjoying it. I don't spend every hour of every day on it, and won't be able to achieve much in the way of rank, but I think it adds more personality to Elite.

Do whatever you want in-game, but please don't contribute to the "me too" negativity around PowerPlay and other bandwagon topics. It's not productive, and frankly tiresome. It also puts off new/prospective players to the game who see more superfluous negativity on this forum than was the case in the early stages. We need more players. We need more positivity. We need less rehashing of the same old topic, week after week after week.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Honestly, I just don't understand this sort of thing. Why make a big public display out of focusing on other elements of gameplay? It's a bit like a trader announcing that he/she is tired of trading and moving into bounty hunting. I get that you, and your group, don't like PowerPlay. That's fine; you're entitled to your opinion. But do you seriously need to start another thread on the subject. Really?

Personally, I'm enjoying it. I don't spend every hour of every day on it, and won't be able to achieve much in the way of rank, but I think it adds more personality to Elite.

Do whatever you want in-game, but please don't contribute to the "me too" negativity around PowerPlay and other bandwagon topics. It's not productive, and frankly tiresome. It also puts off new/prospective players to the game who see more superfluous negativity on this forum than was the case in the early stages. We need more players. We need more positivity. We need less rehashing of the same old topic, week after week after week.

+1 well said.

I'm having a great time with power play and it has added more to the game than the East India Company. I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to FD that the East India Company needs to be removed from the game. It's spoiling my fun and what I think Elite should be

Just joking chaps.

Loving Power play

 

[Moriarte]

Personally, I'm enjoying it. I don't spend every hour of every day on it, and won't be able to achieve much in the way of rank, but I think it adds more personality to Elite.

Do whatever you want in-game, but please don't contribute to the "me too" negativity around PowerPlay and other bandwagon topics. It's not productive, and frankly tiresome. It also puts off new/prospective players to the game who see more superfluous negativity on this forum than was the case in the early stages. We need more players. We need more positivity. We need less rehashing of the same old topic, week after week after week.

We, as in Louis XIV? What "we" need is more objectivity and less lies disguised in positivity. But that's "we".

Honestly, I just don't understand this sort of thing. Why make a big public display out of focusing on other elements of gameplay? It's a bit like a trader announcing that he/she is tired of trading and moving into bounty hunting. I get that you, and your group, don't like PowerPlay. That's fine; you're entitled to your opinion. But do you seriously need to start another thread on the subject. Really?

Is there a official limit to number of threads on the subject? Or is it the "we" thing again?

Honestly, the guy comes in, gives great feedback on what, objectively, pushes his group away from ED's power play, and, consecutively, from ED itself, and then the "we" crowd jumps in demanding more positivity. Hilarious.

 

[rckstr]

We, as in Louis XIV? What "we" need is more objectivity and less lies disguised in positivity. But that's "we".



Is there a official limit to number of threads on the subject? Or is it the "we" thing again?

Honestly, the guy comes in, gives great feedback on what, objectively, pushes his group away from ED's power play, and, consecutively, from ED itself, and then the "we" crowd jumps in demanding more positivity. Hilarious.

I guess they just wanted to say "If you are not pleased with the product, then just shut your mouth and don't use it. But never ever come around with reasonable arguments about what is wrong".
Every single argument brought up in the statement is true and reasonable. I think that is a bad situation for everyone.

 

[Daffan]

+1 well said.

I'm having a great time with power play and it has added more to the game than the East India Company. I'm going to write a strongly worded letter to FD that the East India Company needs to be removed from the game. It's spoiling my fun and what I think Elite should be

Just joking chaps.

Loving Power play

Grinding defenseless npc's for 15 merits a pop sure sounds exciting.

 

[CMDR UBERPEITSCHE]

EIC, I remember that name.. you were the guys driving people out of open after killing every trader passing through Thosiao who didn't want to join you..
So yeah, no sympathie from me.

Im glad you are disappointed with PP.

 

[iAmLegion]

EIC, I remember that name.. you were the guys driving people out of open after killing every trader passing through Thosiao who didn't want to join you..
So yeah, no sympathie from me.

Im glad you are disappointed with PP.

There was a reason for doing that though
But i can understand your view as well.

 

[DigitalMandalorian]

EIC, I remember that name.. you were the guys driving people out of open after killing every trader passing through Thosiao who didn't want to join you..
So yeah, no sympathie from me.

Im glad you are disappointed with PP.

Implying that somebody can drive somebody else out of open and it's not a choice that you make.

 

[CMDR UBERPEITSCHE]

Implying that somebody can drive somebody else out of open and it's not a choice that you make.

Driving out might be a hard word, it is a fact however that everybody* on that route went to Solo. :/
*that I flew with

There was a reason for doing that though
But i can understand your view as well.

That was my first encounter with any player group.. didn't went down so well.
So yes Im a little salty in that regard, nothing personal.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Grinding defenseless npc's for 15 merits a pop sure sounds exciting.

That's not what I'm doing. I located a system to make a home base, prepped it (on my own), expanded it (with help), fortify it each cycle (almost enitrly on my own) and make about 2 to 3 million an hour or more in the local extraction site while building rep with all the local factions before I try and flip it one favorable to my power and expand their influence in to a neighbor system that sells rare goods. That's fun. Im doing everything I used to do and a lot more now since power play.

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

There are a lot of things that can be said about PowerPlay but the biggest things are:

• Restrictive gameplay. Made our Galaxy smaller.
• No story or emergent gameplay.
• Disincentive for Open Play (which is nothing new)
• Hurt relations with friends and friendly groups by polarising us against each other in extreme ways.
• Boxes players into certain playstyles.
• Repetitive, monotonous, tedious
• Huge time and money-sink without tangible return on investment.
• Constantly changing rules/mechanics rendering our strategies moot and our efforts pointless in the middle of a tick.
• Much much more..

Did you not establish this during the beta? Can't believe it took 4 weeks.

 

[rckstr]

Did you not establish this during the beta? Can't believe it took 4 weeks.

I think the beta did not achieve what a beta is supposed to. There have been many concerns about PP before release and now they seem to manifest in a (great) number of people defecting

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

I think the beta did not achieve what a beta is supposed to. There have been many concerns about PP before release and now they seem to manifest in a (great) number of people defecting

With the exception of a changing ruleset, every point made was established and discussed during beta though.

 

[DigitalMandalorian]

Driving out might be a hard word, it is a fact however that everybody* on that route went to Solo. :/

Still not EIC "forcing" you into solo. That's just people taking the easy way out.

 

[CMDR UBERPEITSCHE]

Still not EIC "forcing" you into solo. That's just people taking the easy way out.

If you insist.

Still a behaviour I will always be against, players are not NPC's in my mind.
It lacks empathy/sympathie, I don't think you can deny that.

But Im derailing this, sorry. Nothing more to add from my side, fly safe CMDR's.

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

Having read the reddit thread, seems LCN and EIC knew the deal (read issues) with PP but gave it a go anyway so fairplay. My above question is moot.

 

[Mohrgan]

There was no reasoned discourse, no useful insight into the workings of PP, and/or ways to improve it. Nope, just some decree with some vague ering about your players being irked. Maybe you should have stayed IC.

 

[Katkon]

We, as in Louis XIV? What "we" need is more objectivity and less lies disguised in positivity. But that's "we".



Is there a official limit to number of threads on the subject? Or is it the "we" thing again?

Honestly, the guy comes in, gives great feedback on what, objectively, pushes his group away from ED's power play, and, consecutively, from ED itself, and then the "we" crowd jumps in demanding more positivity. Hilarious.

Great feedback, huh? Nothing but a list of complaints with no suggestions for improvement. The same stuff that's been rehashed over and over. If the OP wanted to contribute constructively he'd focus instead on the dev-created thread focused on soliciting input on proposed improvements. Or, instead of a disguised PP-rage quit post, create a list of suggested future enhancements to PP. But how the thousandth thread posting the usual list of generic PP-related complaints is "great feedback" is well beyond me, that's for sure.

Also, I have nothing against the OP personally - don't know said individual. But I do have something against rehashing the same discussion over, and over, and over, and over again.

 

[Anthemeia]

I'm an EIC member, and I fully support this move. It has caused our players to waste a lot of time, because of the mid-tick changes and other design issues. I am also an independent game designer, and from a design perspective, PP has been a catastrophe for ED.

Some players are enjoying it. That's great! I'm glad so many are having fun with it, and it makes sense this group would not want PP to change.

But, "love it or leave it" is not a useful counter to criticism, especially when that criticism is valid.

And there are legitimate criticisms, such as those LC listed. PP has also coincided with a marked diminishment in clarity and communication on FDev's part about how PP works. And the recent implosion at last tick of thousands of play-hours is the logical consequence of inadequate beta testing and that poor communication on how PP works.

Worst of all, PP has divided the game's player base, which is never a good thing. If you need evidence of that, you need look no further than this thread, where a large player group has said we're not having fun, and other players attack their fellows for proactively engaging the game and its design issues, instead of offering support and ideas that would build a sense of community.